Just now, downundermike said:

 

If Herndon can get right, that offense could be scary.  Maybe having top notch skill guys around him will get him going.  Dude has a ton of talent.

Not with Kirk Cousins at the helm. He'll do what he always does, post nice looking numbers, but fail to come up with wins when they need him to. 

1 hour ago, Desertbirds said:

I have a naive question.

Wasn't Hood's failure to capture the Roundtops as much as a failed opportunity as was Ewell's failure to capture Culp's Hill?

Not naïve at all. The irony here is that Hood wasn't supposed to be there at all. His men got deflected by Sickles' 3rd Corps units (too far in advance of their assigned position) and two regiments of sharpshooters. Hood was supposed to attack pretty much due North but ended up going east-northeast, against an unoccupied position. Meade, alarmed that Sickles had set up too far to his front, sent Gouverneur Warren to rectify the position. Warren observed approaching Confederates and sent riders to grab everybody they could find. This turned out to be Sykes' Fifth Corps, Third Brigade, under Strong Vincent. Vincent led three regiments to Little Round Top, including  the 20th Maine, which was on the extreme right left. They arrived only a few minutes before Laws' Alabamians and the rest is well known.

Worth remembering is that Sykes' men were rested and had only a moderate march to their positions on July 2, whereas Hood's men had marched and counter-marched 20 miles immediately before being ordered to attack. They were going uphill, and it's quite steep. The Union soldiers above them could fire, withdraw a few feet to where they could reload while sheltered by the curve of the hill, then step forward and fire.

I highly recommend Thomas Desjardin's Stand Firm, Ye Boys from Maine, an excellent microhistory of this area of the conflict. I actually had a chance to walk the ground with him some years ago. Delightful man.

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

The south was just outmanned 21 million to 6.5 million , hard to overcome those numbers , towards the end the south had way more guns then men . The impressive part is that they lasted as long as they did , and that they took it to the north the first 2 years .

Actually, it was due to slavery and Southern culture, slavery meant the cream of the Southern Aristocracy could choose military careers and they dominated the military academies (and have been disproportionately represented in the 20th century as well), the North simply didn't have a top officer corp when the war began. McClellan was excellent as an administrator, but subpar as a military commander.

The myth of Lee was that he choose Virginia over the Union, the reality was he was a slaveholder who choose slavery over Union, Arlington Cemetery was the Lee plantation. the Civil War was about slavery, pure and simple, the Confederate leadership said as much during the run up to the war - only afterwards did they create the myth of the War Between the States.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/12/facebook-posts/fact-checking-claims-about-robert-e-lees-position-/

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/state/2013/06/30/Confederates-slave-hunt-in-North-a-military-disgrace/stories/201306300221

https://www.neh.gov/humanities/2011/julyaugust/feature/how-did-robert-e-lee-become-american-icon

Political correctness plagues both the Right and Left, the 1619 Project was bad history, Critical Race Theory starts with a kernel of truth (that racism is embedded in American institutions) then distorts it through an ideological fun house mirror where all inequalities are due to race and malice, and all alternative explanations are invalid.

On the other hand, watching Governor Abbott try to erase the role of slavery in the Texas Revolution (the primary motive was b/c Mexico would abolish slavery in Texas) shows the distortions championed by the Right.

Good history should strive to be objective (impossible to eliminate bias, but recognizing one's bias is the first step to correcting it), stick to the facts and avoid polemics.

It should also respect the Past, "The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there." That is, don't impose 21st century attitudes and mores on people in the past, they lived in their world, if you want to understand them, you have to take them on their own terms, no matter how uncomfortable that may make you feel.

 

16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He looks like he could be a magician in Vegas or a cult leader lol 

My guess is you don't know the reference.

6 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Not with Kirk Cousins at the helm. He'll do what he always does, post nice looking numbers, but fail to come up with wins when they need him to. 

Do not care about wins and losses.  From a fantasy football and his own numbers perspective, great situation.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

My guess is you don't know the reference.

I don’t know if i should be offended or laugh 

 

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

If Herndon can get right, that offense could be scary.  Maybe having top notch skill guys around him will get him going.  Dude has a ton of talent.

I actually think for the price they got Herndon for it wasn’t a bad move. Herndon is making peanuts and they got him for a 6th. I understand why they wouldn’t do ertz. He is older and needs a new deal. Coming off a down year so could likely be on the decline whereas Herndon is still young. Plus even in a trade they are paying him more than Herndon.

36 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Yes, it is. Chernow is also an executive producer of the documentary.

Chernow is wonderful, both a prolific researcher and a first rate writer.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t know if i should be offended or laugh 

I still don't know if you know the reference, but no offense was intended. 

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Chernow is wonderful, both a prolific researcher and a first rate writer.

True, but he could do with a ruthless editor.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I still don't know if you know the reference, but no offense was intended. 

it’s definitely me missing the reference.

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Actually, it was due to slavery and Southern culture, slavery meant the cream of the Southern Aristocracy could choose military careers and they dominated the military academies (and have been disproportionately represented in the 20th century as well), the North simply didn't have a top officer corp when the war began. McClellan was excellent as an administrator, but subpar as a military commander.

The myth of Lee was that he choose Virginia over the Union, the reality was he was a slaveholder who choose slavery over Union, Arlington Cemetery was the Lee plantation. the Civil War was about slavery, pure and simple, the Confederate leadership said as much during the run up to the war - only afterwards did they create the myth of the War Between the States.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/12/facebook-posts/fact-checking-claims-about-robert-e-lees-position-/

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/state/2013/06/30/Confederates-slave-hunt-in-North-a-military-disgrace/stories/201306300221

https://www.neh.gov/humanities/2011/julyaugust/feature/how-did-robert-e-lee-become-american-icon

Political correctness plagues both the Right and Left, the 1619 Project was bad history, Critical Race Theory starts with a kernel of truth (that racism is embedded in American institutions) then distorts it through an ideological fun house mirror where all inequalities are due to race and malice, and all alternative explanations are invalid.

On the other hand, watching Governor Abbott try to erase the role of slavery in the Texas Revolution (the primary motive was b/c Mexico would abolish slavery in Texas) shows the distortions championed by the Right.

Good history should strive to be objective (impossible to eliminate bias, but recognizing one's bias is the first step to correcting it), stick to the facts and avoid polemics.

It should also respect the Past, "The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there." That is, don't impose 21st century attitudes and mores on people in the past, they lived in their world, if you want to understand them, you have to take them on their own terms, no matter how uncomfortable that may make you feel.

 

I agree with almost all of this. Your characterization of Lee's motives are in conflict with McPherson's analysis. Would you care to elaborate?

I'm sure others more knowledgeable than me will chime in.

 

49 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

One of my great great grandfathers was at the Siege of Vicksburg.  Later hooked up with Sherman in GA.  A lot of my wife’s ancestors and relatives fought for the South and some for the north.  More difficult to trace where because the families did not pass that down.  I am working on it.  Pension records are useful.

Unit rosters are also of use, which can usually be tied to where the individual was at the time.   The migrations are interesting as well.  Wasn’t just the Homestead Act and gold discoveries that lead to migrations as the history books suggest and then later the industrial revolution.  A lot of migration was a young man working westward.  But those migrations at times lead to forgotten "in between” spots where the person might have signed up to join the group he fought with in the war.  

My ancestors fought on the confederate side. I think there was also more Confederate units that ended up merged with other units from different areas of their state or even other states.  

49 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

which book?  Grant's autobiography or Chernow's? 

Chernow's book which is lengthy. 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

it’s definitely me missing the reference.

Sadly didn’t used to be this way but now when i hear someone say stonewall jackson my mind immediately Goes to anchorman 2 

@ManuManu @Original Sin @LeanMeanGM a correction to the correction of the correction

 

 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

it’s definitely me missing the reference.

Look into the Superman movies with Christopher Reeves.  Not sure, which one though.  

Practice squad construction has begun

 

 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

it’s definitely me missing the reference.

Haha you should definitely watch Superman 2. It's great!

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Embiid can't speak on behalf of all pro athletes.  But its cool.  Do you have a source on this comment, or just throwing stuff at the wall?  

 

Goes along with what Danny Green said earlier this offseason that  Philadelphia fans have the worst reputation around the league amongst the players. 

 

 

 

 

If you claim a player, do you stay at your position the entire waiver period or get bumped to bottom?