10 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

 

Grrrrr Hurts.  Grrrrr someone speaking positively of Hurts.  

 

Grrrrr how dare they

Did I say I have an issue with positive reports on Hurts?  I'm just pointing out a quote that claims he doesn't like the spotlight on him when the guy has posted multiple practice "highlight" videos of himself.  Not just random cell phone videos either but their was production put in.

I love that Hurts is working out.  I've made it clear I hope Hurts proves to be the guy. 

Just now, Utebird said:

You really think the us Olympic committee after spending tons of money marketing her as the face of the games is going to just let her not go to the Olympics.

She had a lot of pressure on her, she's had pressure in her before she's a multiple gold medal winner in her skirt and one of the most decorated athletes if all time, it's not like she has a History if not meeting the moment 

For whatever reason(s) it all came to the forefront at the Olympics during the team event 

Maybe she was tired before that and didn't say anything because she felt shed let millions of people down including dudes from an eagles message board. Who knows how she was feeling or her mental state before during and after.

I'm not her psychologist nor are you nor is anyone other than her psychologist.

If biles says she's not mentally emotionally well enough to compete then why doubt it???

We don't know the circumstances that led up to that we can speculate but who knows what she's been through other than her.

One can accuse her excuse as a cop out which one has or one can say what's more important her mental health as a human being or her winning a gold medal so I can feel better about what...

Why would people call her choice courageous?

Think about it, one has been touted as the goat and made the face of a national competition with astronomical expectations and in the face of all that instead of harming herself to appease others expectations of her she prioritized  her own mental /emotional health over the expectations out on her by a nation.

Say what you will but that takes guts, and shouldnt be shamed or reviled or looked down in as failure.

A lot of people when they don't see a way out instead of seeking mental health seek other means to escape their pain, often those means include self harm/suicide.

Simone biles actions can be an example to those struggling with mental health that it's never a bad time or reason to seek mental health help, if she can do it mid Olympic competition than why can't anyone else???

Is it disappointing the way she went out? Yes I'm sure it's disappointing for her and a lot of people, bit I'm not disappointed she didn't take her mental and emotional health seriously.

It's unfortunate and she said so that it came to the forefront during Olympic competition.

 

Its not courageous, lets stop the charade.  No amount of fluffy coddling will make it courageous.  It doesn't take guts to quit, that is nonsense.

She took the easy way out by simply quitting mid competition then had the gall to hang around and joke and laugh. 

Thats honestly my biggest issue with this, shes known something was wrong for weeks, yet decided to continue until faced with her failure. 

The truly courageous thing would have been to go out like a true champion and give it whatever effort she could have mustered. That's being a true champion and an athlete, not quitting.  Thats what all of the hero athletes you and I admire would have done, and we could easily cite example after example of that

19 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

THIS* Is the reason why... a struggling sports player is an oxymoron. 

She can donate her multi multi million dollar networth and go work a normal 9 to 5 and be stress free. 

Mental health is easily fixed which is why i dont give it a pass.

1) Retire

2) Quit and go do something else.

3) STFU and compete. 

Not hard

I'd like you to tell my wife a practicing psychologist and her clients  that she works with for years that mental health is easily fixed...

Mental health isn't something one puts a bandaid on and when its healed takes the ban aid off and goes there merry way.

Mental health requires constant maintenance 

For some people their maintenance is more minimal I imagine for a top athlete who is the face of a national competition the maintenance is a little more.

People that work normal 9-5 aren't stress free.

Majority of people that seek mental health counseling work 9-5 jobs.

If it wasn't hard everyone would be a top athlete no???

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

I'd like you to tell my wife a practicing psychologist and her clients  that she works with for years that mental health is easily fixed...

Mental health isn't something one puts a bandaid on and when its healed takes the ban aid off and goes there merry way.

Mental health requires constant maintenance 

For some people their maintenance is more minimal I imagine for a top athlete who is the face of a national competition the maintenance is a little more.

People that work normal 9-5 aren't stress free.

Majority of people that seek mental health counseling work 9-5 jobs.

If it wasn't hard everyone would be a top athlete no???

So now we get to the heart of the issue.  You think because your wife is a psychologist then every issue is somehow mental health and you have some credibility.

Could your wife quit in the middle of an appointment if her patient needed her?  Would that be courageous for placing her own needs ahead of her professional duties or the needs of her clients?

Of course, this isnt as serious, but its the same principle.

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Its not courageous, lets stop the charade.  No amount of fluffy coddling will make it courageous.  It doesn't take guts to quit, that is nonsense.

She took the easy way out by simply quitting mid competition then had the gall to hang around and joke and laugh. 

Thats honestly my biggest issue with this, shes known something was wrong for weeks, yet decided to continue until faced with her failure. 

The truly courageous thing would have been to go out like a true champion and give it whatever effort she could have mustered. That's being a true champion and an athlete, not quitting.  Thats what all of the hero athletes you and I admire would have done, and we could easily cite example after example of that

It's not like one can win gold on a broken ankle...oh, wait.

1 hour ago, Mike31mt said:

Totally agree with your take

If people were watching, she has been crappy going all the way back to US qualifications. She was faced with her own mortality and failure and decided to quit and cite "mental health"

Thats fine. But Im not celebrating her as some sort of hero.  She took a spot from another potentially more deserving athlete and then was clowning around after quitting.  That tells me all I need to know.  She should go sit in the bleachers and let the other athletes compete, if youre worried about your mental health you dont sit around mugging for the cameras and laughing and joking with your teammates who are trying to compensate for you quitting on them mid-competition.

But of course now we have to celebrate this surrender as if its somehow heroic to quit at the first sign of failure. 

 

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

So you're her psychologist???

You know her mental state???

Her own teammates said they support her and that they wouldn't be where they were without her yet your observation of them invalidates their own statements???

If she says she needs a break to recharge mentally and emotionally why question it?

Why are you or anyone else so bent about her withdrawing from the competition?

Did you and others have money riding on it?

I just don't get why grown men in a football message board would be so upset that a struggling athlete would cite mental health and detractors feel the need to rip her and minimize mental health.

The tropes being repeated on this board about the situation do nothing to decrease the negative stigmas around mental health.

@Bacarty2 and anyone else calling her a "quitter" or "chicken" etc etc....

I haven't looked into it until now but since posters have been saying "she has no history of mental health issues". 

I did a little research.....

 

(That's tongue-in-cheek, btw.  I know most posters are going by what the telecast stated).

 

But here are the facts:

Here is a look back at all the times Biles has been open about her mental health struggles, including her childhood experiences, living with ADHD and the abuse she suffered at the hands of disgraced gymnastics trainer Larry Nassar:

She was in foster care as a child

Biles was traumatized during her early childhood in Spring, Texas, when her birth mother, Shannon Biles, became unable to care for her and her three siblings. The foursome went in and out of foster care, but Biles was adopted in 2003 by her loving maternal grandfather and his wife. The pair have long encouraged her passion for gymnastics. In her 2016 memoir, "Courage to Soar: A Body in Motion, A Life in Balance,” the sportswoman discussed the disruption to her formative years, writing: "my biological mom was suffering from drug and alcohol abuse and she was in and out of jail, I never had mom to run to.”

Her high school peers were bullies

As a teen whose intense training schedule led to peak fitness, she developed somewhat bulky muscles. As a result, Biles was bullied at school. In an appearance on the "Today” show four years ago, she recalled that classmates would make derogatory comments about her athletic figure.

"People would say mean things to me all the time,” she said. "They used to call me a ‘swoldier,’ which didn’t make me feel the best. I wore sweaters or jackets all year to cover my arms.”

She was treated by a sports psychologist at 16

After a poor performance at the 2013 US Classic, Biles’ confidence plummeted. She consulted Houston-based sports psychologist Robert B. Andrews, who helped her manage her nerves and use her excitement to improve her skills.

"After working with Robert, I was able to recover and get my confidence back,” she said in a joint interview with Andrews in 2014. The expert also taught her ways to "calm down” after competing. "I found that I was getting too intense,” Biles admitted. "Working with Robert also helped ease my fears and I found more confidence.”

Her ADHD diagnosis was made public by hackers

In 2016, hackers managed to access Biles’ health records and released unauthorized, previously unknown details about her mental health. They exposed her as having ADHD, a condition for which she was prescribed medication.

Biles came out fighting, taking to Twitter to explain she was not cowed by the diagnosis. She defiantly posted: "Having ADHD, and taking medicine for it is nothing to be ashamed of, nothing that I’m afraid to let people know.”

SHE POSTED THIS 5 YEARS AGO:

Discussing the disorder in an NPR interview, Biles said: "At a very young age, I didn’t realize what the diagnosis was. But it was a very good outing for me to get some energy out and then come home tired, do some homework and go to bed easier.” She added that she never saw it as a disability: "Other kids have it as well. And it’s just we’re more active and hyper than them, and I never think of that as a downfall. If anything, I see it as a cool thing ’cause, like, we have more energy.”

 

In 2018, Biles revealed she was one of the more than 100 female gymnasts who accused team doctor Larry Nassar of molestation.

Besides saying the abuse brought about suicidal thoughts, she released a lengthy statement on her social media platforms. It was posted the day before a sentencing hearing at which Vassar heard victim impact statements.

"Most of you know me as a happy, giggly and energetic girl. But lately … I’ve felt a bit broken and the more I try to shut off the voice in my head the louder it screams,” Biles wrote.

 

If 2018 wasn’t bad enough, Biles endured another family crisis. Tevin Biles Thomas, the golden girl’s older brother, was charged in the fatal shooting of three people at a New Year’s Eve party in Cleveland, Ohio. He was ultimately acquitted this spring after a judge agreed with defense lawyers that there was insufficient evidence to justify a guilty verdict.

 

Like many athletes with their hearts set on competing in the 2020 Olympics, Biles’ dreams were dashed when the country locked down in March 2020.

In an interview with Glamour, Biles "sat idle” for seven weeks and became depressed and thought of quitting.

"I wanted to give up,” Biles told the mag. "But it would have been dumb because I’ve worked way too hard.”

 

https://nypost.com/article/history-of-simone-biles-mental-health-issues/

 

 

So to summarize:

- Diagnosed with ADHD as a child, then it was made public by hackers so she had to live with the stigma of having a disorder, which lead to other issues.

- Bullied as a child.  (Anyone who has ever been bullied as a child knows that type of stuff can stick with you for a long time and can lead to other issues as well).

- She was traumatized as a young child because her Mom was a drug addict, in and out of jail, etc and couldn't take care of her so she was forced to go into foster care and live without her mother growing up as a child.  

- Dealt with both depression and confidence issues.

- She WENT TO A PSYCHOLOGIST for her mental health issues and the treatment helped her "regain her confidence".

- She came out and stated she was sexually abused by Larry Nassar

 

Now tell me again how she "chickened out"? 

 Despite everything she went through, she still became an Olympian.  How many people would have led much different lives had they gone through what she went through?  Most?  Probably. 

And behold there is a portion of media and fans calling this young lady a "quitter".  Granted, they might not be informed but if they are going to debate something like this, best to do their own due diligence before labeling an Olympic level athlete a "quitter".  Because there's ZERO chance you can make the Olympics if you're a "quitter"....you need the complete opposite mentality to get to that level.  She had that AND much more, especially when you realize everything she went through to get to that level. 

If making the Olympics is a 1 in 50 million chance for most people/athletes (who don't t have any major issues growing up)  what were her odds to become an Olympic athlete after going through (at least) a half dozen major, traumatizing, life changing events as a child? 

ONE of those events is enough to ruin someone for life, let alone 6.  She quite easily is a 1 in a billion athlete and human being, imo. 

 

 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

You backed up my point. Working 9-5, making shotty wages, trying to keep a float with a family is stressful. 

Making millions, hanging out with other millionaires, dating millionaires playing sports IS NOT STRESSFUL. 

And if THEY DO THINK it's stressful, they can quit  tomorrow, and be stress free working a normal 9 to 5 like us common folk

So making lots of money in your mind = stress free and no problems?

If only we had any examples of rich people losing their minds and doing stupid stuff.

But as we all know millionaires are perfectly emotionally and mentally healthy stable people because they have lots of money 🤔

10 hours ago, BigEFly said:

is it fair to judge Emily Blunt and the Rock in Jungle Cruise against Bogart and Bacall in African Queen?

No.  This is a movie based on the Disney ride "Jungle Cruise", just as they made the "Pirates of the Caribbean" movies, based on the theme from that ride.   

 

African Queen is a classic, but in no way has a connection to Jungle Cruise, other than a man and a woman on a boat in a jungle.   Completely different premise.   BTW... it was Katherine Hepburn, not Lauren Bacall.

10 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Trying to avoid the cliche "Dawkins would make a great D-coordinator!” trope but I think Lane Johnson might have some real potential as a future o-line coach. He clearly admires Stoutland and is learning from one of the best but he also co-held the 4th annual OL Masterminds summit. Teaching the position seems to be an interest of his.

We said the same thing about Jason Peters... meh.  

9 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I think the media and the network hype-machine did Biles an injustice by advertising her as the GOAT before the Olympics even started. Why do that right before world-wide event?

She was already the most decorated American gymnast long before that campaign.   So, she is objectively the GOAT for American gymnasts... and that was the audience.  They didn't do her any injustice.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

We said the same thing about Jason Peters... meh.  

I think JP falls more into the cliche. I don’t recall him ever hosting players from around the league to work on their craft and get better

The memo, obtained by NFL Network's Tom Pelissero, outlines protocols that remain most stringent for unvaccinated players, as they must wear masks at all times -- including lifting in the weight room and at practices "except when doing so would interfere with their ability to engage in athletic activity"

I wonder what will happen when vaccinated players start testing positive?

Personally, I think they should create bubbles if they want to play this season, but I'm hoping everything turns out OK.

There’s no difference between a vaccinated player and unvaccinated player giving someone Covid. Zero. If they are both able to transmit the virus, it only makes a difference to them. I guess transmission rates will differ but I don’t understand punishing an unvaccinated player for something a vaccinated player could do the same for.

So Reagor starts training camp on the sidelines not participating.  How can he be injured already? 

58 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

I did wonder earlier if Biles just doesn't want to be there and isn't feeling the desire to compete any longer; there is nothing wrong in saying, I'm done with the silly training schedule, done with the wear and tear on my body;  I just want to live my life and enjoy the fruits of my labour.  I wish Simone Biles ongoing health and happiness; she's been a great Olympian and an inspiration to many. 

However, there is nothing wrong in people asking questions of Biles decision or the timing of it. If we can't discuss her decision to drop another team mate in it at short notice (not considering their mental health outcomes), without the screeching harridans shouting people down, there is something wrong.

There is something wrong with it when another person could be there in her place. This is the point that H.E. was talking about, you don't just quit in the middle of a competition just because you "feel like it".  (If that is indeed what happened)

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

So Reagor starts training camp on the sidelines not participating.  How can he be injured already? 

Dude is soft

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

So now we get to the heart of the issue.  You think because your wife is a psychologist then every issue is somehow mental health and you have some credibility.

Could your wife quit in the middle of an appointment if her patient needed her?  Would that be courageous for placing her own needs ahead of her professional duties or the needs of her clients?

Of course, this isnt as serious, but its the same principle.

I already stated my wife is a mental health professional about 3 pages ago yesterday so keep up!

Never said every issue is a mental health issue o my that when one like biles claims she needs to take a break due to her mental health why should we doubt it or villify her decision to prioritize her mental well being???

If you were at work as a medical doctor and you had a heart attack would it be selfish of you to tap out of a surgery to take care of your own medical needs Instead if your patients?

If my wife were in session and felt the need to end the session with her client due to a me talk health episode I would assume that it was a pretty serious deal, as serious as a heart attack 

That's the problem is too many look at mental health as not a big deal partly because if the stigmas behind it especially in sport and partly because it's not immediately visibly verifiable.

When one breaks a leg no one questions it, the keg is broken the person can't walk maybe the keg is bent or a bone is picking out, mental health isn't visible to the naked eye not to mention it can be more accumulative than sudden.

We don't know all of what led up to the moment biles said she was done, we can speculate which is fine and when we minimize it vilify it disparage it all we are doing is reinforcing negative stigmas associated with mental health which does not one any good.

 

You’d think we would understand mental illness a little more with Shawn Andrews and Brandon Brooks being open about it during their time here. 

6 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Making lots of money gives you the opportunity to quit your stressful situation. 

As I mentioned before, shes stressed out, mentally ill, no worries. Quit and retire. boom stress free. 

If it's no worries what's the big deal 

She literally stopped mid competition.

Havi g said that that doesn't automatically mean stress free.

Heck you don't think the blow back she's already gotten isn't stressful, you think sitting on a pile of money just makes all ones worries disappear?

 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

Basic math shows you that vaccinated people will spread the virus more then unvaccinated. 

 

This new variant is acting differently. At least according to Fauci. We do know vaccinated people spread it as well. Having said that, it should be enough to convince most people to get vaccinated. If I was on the field I would be worried about others spreading it around.

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Basic math shows you that vaccinated people will spread the virus more then unvaccinated. 

You mean courageous. He cant go out there on the first day of camp if he's not mentally ready. Real American Hero honestly. 

I think your Basic Math is off there, along with your basic science.

11 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Making lots of money gives you the opportunity to quit your stressful situation. 

As I mentioned before, shes stressed out, mentally ill, no worries. Quit and retire. boom stress free. 

Dude just stop.

You think a job is the only cause of stress? Seriously??

24 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I haven't read all of the comments about Biles but what's wrong with judging and discussing our thoughts on an athlete who quits in the middle of the Olympics?  It's unheard of and I don't think we've had anyone do it in my lifetime.

What if Kevin Durant walked away from team USA?  Heck what if LeBron, Kobe or MJ walked away from the team mid-games when they were on the Olympic team? Can you imagine the backlash?  

Was Vontae Davis portrayed as a hero and a brave man for retiring during an NFL game?

What if the Eagles make it to the Super Bowl riding an MVP season from Jalen Hurts and then come halftime he decides he can't hack it and hangs them up?  Would he be an open target to criticism or would he be hailed as a hero?

Is the gushing support and cheering of her decision because she's a woman?  Do women want the exact same treatment that men get?  If so, deal with the negative comments and people who are against the decision. 

 

Certainly didn't stop certain posters in here when they were judging Wentz and calling him a baby. But now I see we've all become high and mighty about judging people with no proof other than our suspicions. 

Scoop is none of us know, if she has some issues mentally or not, or if she just can't get her head in it or if she just can't hack it. I tend to think something triggered her and still question why they would do an interview about what happened to her at this particular moment in time. I certainly hope she just didn't decide F it I'm done at this particular moment.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/raiders/why-barret-robbins-mysteriously-missed-raiders-buccaneers-super-bowl

That time that dude missed a SB due to mental issues.