3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

AF, why do you do stuff like this?

Right?  Raiders literally could've only had a center out there snapping with no other OL and Carr still would complete 90% of his passes against this scheme.

13 hours ago, Dwide Schrude said:

We’re really going to be the Lions first win arent we?

In the long run, that's good because it means Miami's pick might be first overall. 

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

You don't have to do this.  Mahomes was drafted #10; Watson #12.  The biggest job the Eagles scouting dept has is to properly identify the right QB in a draft class without a sure-fire QB prospect, make the pick, and develop the QB.

There will be a QB in this draft (maybe more than one) who will be a solid NFL starter.  Player scouting, evaluation, and fit will be paramount.  The Eagles don't even have to draft a QB out of this class; in fact I'd prefer they draft 3 defensive players with their first round picks and select a developmental QB in Round 3 or 4 (yes, I'm talking about Carson Strong or Tyler Shough if he declares)

I agree with this, but not every draft ends up having a Mahomes at #10 and Watson at #12.  

I really like the concept of drafting someone with potential in rounds 2-4 every year.  I don't watch enough college football to name names, but someone like Davis Mills from Stanford last year, Nick Foles in 2012...those kinds of guys.

If you find someone you really like in the teens, that's fine too...but that means you are doing more than developing them and getting a look-see.  Anything in round 1, even later, is a real commitment.

But the teams that do find their QB without a top 3 pick are at a huge advantage.  If we could use our draft pick surplus to rebuild the OL and get a foundation for the defense, then things would be a lot better for our new QB.  Of course, Howie may waste these picks regardless.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

I criticize Mailata a lot, mostly because almost no one is willing to evaluate him honestly.  With that said, I’d still call it resting Mailata, not benching him.  I think that knee is hampering him big time.

I was going to say the same thing. I don’t think that knee is right and he’s trying to battle through it all while he’s been asked before yesterday to switch from LT to RT. Frankly i think he probably should’ve went on short term IR with the injury and missed 3-4 weeks but without Lane they really needed him back sooner. If Lane is healthy and who the heck knows with Lane they probably should put him on IR and let him fully heal the knee cause it’s obvious he’s limping and isn’t the same  

My prediction going into the season -- 2021 will be a rollercoaster ride that nets an average team. Solid chance I was wrong.

 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I was going to say the same thing. I don’t think that knee is right and he’s trying to battle through it all while he’s been asked before yesterday to switch from LT to RT. Frankly i think he probably should’ve went on short term IR with the injury and missed 3-4 weeks but without Lane they really needed him back sooner. If Lane is healthy and who the heck knows with Lane they probably should put him on IR and let him fully heal the knee cause it’s obvious he’s limping and isn’t the same  

I do want to vent that I'm extremely frustrated with Mailata.  He has been injured every single time he has seen extended action in his NFL career.  I am very, very concerned about his viability and longevity.  I also think he has always struggled mightily with speed around the edge.  That's a huge issue for a guy billed has a franchise LT in a passing league.  That's also why I believe the coaching staff when they say his training camp battle with Dillard was far closer than any fans or media wanted to acknowledge.  Dillard is simply a better pass protector.

With that said, he has bounced around both sides of the line while recovering from an injury and while learning to play football.  We are making it very difficult for him.

33 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Wentz was bad last night.

You know who wasn't bad last night ( except for the fumble ) my boy Jonathan Taylor.

On 10/25/2021 at 6:09 AM, justrelax said:

 

I'm thinking they clean house. You don't change the GM without changing the HC. The HC has to be the GM's guy. As far as an appealing position, I think a lot of coaches would like it. There's some youthful talent on O and two picks in probably the top five and another in the mid-teens. That's a lot of ammo.

I hope you’re right but I don’t see them doing that at all. They went into the season saying it was a rebuild so I think they expected to not be very good. I think their expectations are by the end of 2022 that they were going to make the leap in 2023 to being a playoff/Super Bowl contender. I think that’s what their plan is/was. I watched the Cardinals a couple seasons ago when they fired their head coach after one season that team surprisingly was much worse than this Eagles team. Not only that they used a high draft pick on a quarterback they thought was the future of the franchise and ran them into the ground before they even got started.

 I believe they are going to try and go after quarterback this off-season. Whether it’s Deshaun Watson who I think is unlikely gets traded. And based off Ian Rappaport and some others howie went into extensive investigation Sending Eagles personnel to Houston to do their own investigation on what was going on. That was the move they wanted to make. Everyone kept denying it but the more reports come out the more it shows thats who Eagles wanted because he was young and a top 10 quarterback in the league. I don’t think they’re gonna get him but it tells me that’s what they’re going for is a franchise quarterback and will pay the cost to get one. Also Just shows what a lot of us have been saying since March that they weren’t all in on  hurts in the off-season or was the guy going forward. People just didn’t want to accept that the Eagles really weren’t as high on Jalen hurts this offseason and really did not expect to be having him as their starting quarterback at the end of last year. They thought Carson Wentz would be back and they could fix him and they got stuck having to trade him because he wanted nothing to do with the organization

18 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

In 2023 with a shot at a franchise QB (if that happens) after Siri was fired after 2 years, I don't think they'd have much trouble recruiting a tier 1 candidate.  If they have Hurts/Minshew and fire Siri after 1 year, then no one will want to touch this franchise with a 10 foot pole.

Also, I don't see how you can fire the HC after 1 year and not fire the GM that hired him and who oversaw 4 wins with a different, also fired, HC from 2020.  It's almost completely indefensible to fire Siri without firing Howie.

I agree with this, which is why I said fire everyone from the GM on down. I agree too with @Original Sin that it’s a bad look but how can it look worse than what we have now? And it was Sirianni who hired Gannon, who has turned out to be a disaster. No getting around that. The whole crew has 10 games to show they have a clue. Meanwhile, I sit with my knitting, muttering "Guillotine, Guillotine.”

38 minutes ago, justrelax said:

 

I'm thinking they clean house. You don't change the GM without changing the HC. The HC has to be the GM's guy. As far as an appealing position, I think a lot of coaches would like it. There's some youthful talent on O and two picks in probably the top five and another in the mid-teens. That's a lot of ammo.

I just dont have faith in Lurie to swallow his ego and do it

43 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yes.  Howie would never get canned.  He would get a different title.  My guess is that's the most likely outcome.  That and a new DC but not a new HC.  

That wouldn't be a horrible outcome. Just get Howie out of the draft room and put his phone in airplane mode. He has worked some magic with his trades. I'm not crazy about his cap management - it seems like too much kicking the can down the road.

49 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Downfall happened with a Reagor(probably the worst WR in that draft group) and Hurts as your 1-2. 

You needed some many holes to fill and to draft Hurts and a shotty WR is a huge slap in the face(it had nothing to do with competition). 

Wentz saw that this was a dumpster fire and wanted off... I dont blame him one bit

Yep. Instead of getting him offensive help they gave him a QB controvy. Howie screwed up big. 

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I do want to vent that I'm extremely frustrated with Mailata.  He has been injured every single time he has seen extended action in his NFL career.  I am very, very concerned about his viability and longevity.  I also think he has always struggled mightily with speed around the edge.  That's a huge issue for a guy billed has a franchise LT in a passing league.  That's also why I believe the coaching staff when they say his training camp battle with Dillard was far closer than any fans or media wanted to acknowledge.  Dillard is simply a better pass protector.

With that said, he has bounced around both sides of the line while recovering from an injury and while learning to play football.  We are making it very difficult for him.

That was the major concern about giving him the long-term contract was whether or not he would hold up. He’s had multiple injuries since coming into the league and he’s never played a full 16 games. His talent I think isn’t a question so much for me because I think he’s going to get better when he plays more and he’s on the field more. The problem is he hasnt shown stay on the field. The problem with Dillard is we don’t know if he’s just competent or good. Also he has the same issue. He’s never played a full 16 games and he got banged his rookie year when he played minimal games and he got hurt last year before the season started.

Frankly I think he’s a better left tackle than he is a right tackle but they’re forced to do it because lane had personal issues and gets hurt and dillard can’t play right tackle. 

I still believe that this is what their plan is going to be, I think the reason why you hear the rumors that dillard could be treated is because they don’t want to pay dillard to be strictly a left tackle when they believe Jordan mailata is going to be overall in the future a better left tackle the dillard. They believe stoutland I’m stoutland and likely think he can develop a draft pick to play right tackle and save the money that they were going to pay dillard and get a pick out of dillard  

 

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I saw the 'highlight' of his fumbled snap.  He hit square in the hands.  

The narrative that it was 'tipped' is crap too.  Looked close on the replay, but i'm certain Driscoll didn't effect that at all.

Get acquainted with your next QB.

9 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

Yep. Instead of getting him offensive help they gave him a QB controvy. Howie screwed up big. 

I would also add the claim to "fix” the wide receivers corps in the 2020 offseason. Meanwhile they were still relying on a injury prone DeSean Jackson who was old. An injury prone Alshon Jeffery to come back. Greg Ward, JJAW and three rookies during a pandemic offseason. That was their solution. You could see that coming from a mile away that that unit was going to have issues last year and once again fans just bought into the fact that the eagle said oh yeah we fixed it look what we did. No you drafted three guys who had no experience no off-season. And then relied on to injury prone players. And just expected Jjaw to make a jump when he also didn’t have an off-season which he badly needed. It was a bad constructed plan in March/April and played out that way as well. 

They need to clear house. I don't care if it looks bad. Howie drafted a QB in the 2nd, pushed to fire Doug, and then hired a guy who has no clue and trotted out a team that has absolutely no talent at LB.

Howie needed to be fired last year, but this is such a wasted year. No top QB prospects in the draft, even if they signed Rodgers over the off season this team is so bad they still wouldn't make the playoffs next year. They are 4 years out from being competitive.

This team has shown no improvement since week 1. Nothing about this team has improved.

29 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

You don't have to do this.  Mahomes was drafted #10; Watson #12.  The biggest job the Eagles scouting dept has is to properly identify the right QB in a draft class without a sure-fire QB prospect, GM has to make that pick not play the "I know better game", and develop the QB.

 

 

12 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

Yep. Instead of getting him offensive help they gave him a QB controvy. Howie screwed up big. 

They drafted Dillard, Sanders, and Reagor to help Wentz out. Imo Wentz checked out after he was benched. He made up his mind then he wanted out. If they didn't draft Hurts there's no guarantee they go offense at that spot. Howie just need to gtfo

10 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

They need to clear house. I don't care if it looks bad. Howie drafted a QB in the 2nd, pushed to fire Doug, and then hired a guy who has no clue and trotted out a team that has absolutely no talent at LB.

Howie needed to be fired last year, but this is such a wasted year. No top QB prospects in the draft, even if they signed Rodgers over the off season this team is so bad they still wouldn't make the playoffs next year. They are 4 years out from being competitive.

This team has shown no improvement since week 1. Nothing about this team has improved.

I fear that I have bad news for you and they’re not gonna do it. I fully expect them to say we knew going into the year this was going to be a rebuild. So they knew we weren’t going to be very good. That will be their rationale for bringing everyone back. 

I’m guessing the logic right now is they believe with those draft picks coming that they’re gonna be able to build the team up to be competitive in 2022 and then by 2023 when they get more cap space (increase of the cap) and have picks they will be able to become a playoff team. The only problem with that is you have to have someone who is able to hit at a higher rate on those draft picks to be able to have that plan workout. 

The scary part is they might get three first round picks and it’s not a given they select the right player or wind up with Derek Barnett like pick. Let’s not forget if it wasn’t for the dolphins taking Dion Jordan the eagles are without Johnson from the 2013 draft. They wanted Jordan they settled for lane Johnson when they couldn’t get Jordan

2 minutes ago, Godfather said:

They drafted Dillard, Sanders, and Reagor to help Wentz out. Imo Wentz checked out after he was benched. He made up his mind then he wanted out. If they didn't draft Hurts there's no guarantee they go offense at that spot. Howie just need to gtfo

This is true and he told Pat McAfee as much.  A big part of it, though, was how he was benched.  Doug took him out of the game on the pretense of having a play drawn up for Hurts, then never told Wentz he wasn't going back in.  Wentz was standing there with his helmet on looking like a dummy for 6-7 plays afterward.

Did Wentz deserve to get benched?  Of course -- but there's a right way and wrong way to do things.  

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

This is true and he told Pat McAfee as much.  A big part of it, though, was how he was benched.  Doug took him out of the game on the pretense of having a play drawn up for Hurts, then never told Wentz he wasn't going back in.  Wentz was standing there with his helmet on looking like a dummy for 6-7 plays afterward.

Did Wentz deserve to get benched?  Of course -- but there's a right way and wrong way to do things.  

I agree with the last part. I don't think he should've been traded either and if he was never benched like that he could possibly still be here. Wentz didn't play nearly as bad as Hurts but yet Hurts is still the starter

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Dillard blows, Reagor was the worst in his group and they drafted a qb2. 

Again, it has nothing to do with "checking out" or competition, this team is a train wreck and he wanted off

Guys that we should've drafted over who the Eagles took is a different conversation 

7 minutes ago, Godfather said:

They drafted Dillard, Sanders, and Reagor to help Wentz out. Imo Wentz checked out after he was benched. He made up his mind then he wanted out. If they didn't draft Hurts there's no guarantee they go offense at that spot. Howie just need to gtfo

I don’t have any proof on this theory. but I would love to know after they actually drafted hurts what Carson Wentz truly wanted. Because there’s a part of me that believes he wanted out as soon as they made the draft pick. And the Eagles sugarcoated it like oh he was OK with it but I don’t think he ever was. I think when it got benched it solidified for him that he was out in this organization. But I think he might’ve wanted out in May after they made that selection and it festered into the season and snowballed on him and he mentally was off cause he truly was unhappy and wanted out.