2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Don’t worry i gave him a math lesson. Even his math on his 2 quarters is BS. The eagles got down to the cowboys 27-7 with 14 mins left in the third. The rest of that game was garbage. That’s two quarters alone. Raiders game got down 30-7 with 6 mins left in the third. So that alone is 3 quarters and then some

So, if I am grasping your argument, those yards and points don't count. Why? Because you are arguing that they don't, not because they don't.

@ToastJenkins posted about the need for context. OK, I'll buy that because it's a valid argument. We're down three scores to the turds with basically two quarters left. Might as well give up, by your argument because, you argue, it's already garbage time. Scores in garbage time don't count, by your argument. By extension, once we get behind at any time we might as well give up because, by your argument, it's already garbage time.

Yes, we got smoked, but what was debilitating in those games was the complete ineffectuality of the defense. When you're getting smoked, the plays you would normally run are out the window.  The other team is going up and down the field and scoring at will. That's context. 

Here's another way of looking at it. To get into those situations, pretty much everyone has wet the bed, Hurts most definitely included.

Your math is, well, not inaccurate, but it proves nothing. You worked backwards from your conclusion to arrive at your numbers. I made the simple argument that amassing 25% of your stats in a segment that is 25% of a game (a quarter) is a reasonable thing, even to be expected. You don't like that rationale so you cooked up your own set of stats to prove, allegedly, something else. You threw out (cherry-picked) two quarters here, three quarters there, and so on. Why? To make an argument. Very lawyerly of you. 

One thing you and others don't seem to mention: in all this garbage time Hurts is still competing. Further, he, with a ton of help, pulled us within one score or tied two of the last three (excluding Detroit) and the defense lay down and died.

 

4 minutes ago, Dobbsy-UK said:

@LeanMeanGM

England 6

Albania 0

Kane gets a hat trick.

Sorry, Wrong game. I meant

Broncos 33

Eagles 21

Eagles give up a safety 

Thanks, and welcome to the predictions, still plenty of time to catch the leader.

 

There's also a $500 buy in, I'll PM you my Venmo.  

11 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Yeah I suspect this will be a major mental hurdle for you all to leap through here.  Greg Ward played a lot with Wentz.  DeVonta has a much higher YPR than Waddle with Hurts.  Lot of conflicting narratives for you all to try to navigate here. 

No mental hurdle here. Just you spinning a narrative to fit your agenda like always 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Thanks, and welcome to the predictions, still plenty of time to catch the leader.

 

There's also a $500 buy in, I'll PM you my Venmo.  

Likes and laughy face responses are valid currency right? 

35 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I guess Mike Shula would call plays?

Advantage Broncos

4 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

No mental hurdle here. Just you spinning a narrative to fit your agenda like always 

 

No mental hurdles alright. 

So Waddle has a low YPR because he plays with a bad QB.  But Smith who has a much higher YPR plays with Hurts who people like you view as one of if not the worst QB in the league. Does not compute. 

Waddle has a low YPR because he plays with a bad QB. Ward had a low YPR because of his QB. Ward saw most of his action with Wentz at QB who many in this thread view as a really good QB. 

20 minutes ago, justrelax said:

So, if I am grasping your argument, those yards and points don't count. Why? Because you are arguing that they don't, not because they don't.

@ToastJenkins posted about the need for context. OK, I'll buy that because it's a valid argument. We're down three scores to the turds with basically two quarters left. Might as well give up, by your argument because, you argue, it's already garbage time. Scores in garbage time don't count, by your argument. By extension, once we get behind at any time we might as well give up because, by your argument, it's already garbage time.

Yes, we got smoked, but what was debilitating in those games was the complete ineffectuality of the defense. When you're getting smoked, the plays you would normally run are out the window.  The other team is going up and down the field and scoring at will. That's context. 

Here's another way of looking at it. To get into those situations, pretty much everyone has wet the bed, Hurts most definitely included.

Your math is, well, not inaccurate, but it proves nothing. You worked backwards from your conclusion to arrive at your numbers. I made the simple argument that amassing 25% of your stats in a segment that is 25% of a game (a quarter) is a reasonable thing, even to be expected. You don't like that rationale so you cooked up your own set of stats to prove, allegedly, something else. You threw out (cherry-picked) two quarters here, three quarters there, and so on. Why? To make an argument. Very lawyerly of you. 

One thing you and others don't seem to mention: in all this garbage time Hurts is still competing. Further, he, with a ton of help, pulled us within one score or tied two of the last three (excluding Detroit) and the defense lay down and died.

 

Where did i say give up? You keep making into that convo. I nowhere said that.

 i said it was inflated garbage time stats. Which is what it is. I guarantee you come on here in the past four years killing Kirk cousins as he isn’t a top 10 quarterback but his stats say definitively say he is. 

But his stats every year for six year says he’s that. we all know including yourself that he puts up inflated garbage time stats because we’ve seen it.

So no I’m not asking him to say you know what this game is out of hand and give up. I’m telling you they are inflated stats that don’t reflect how many actually has played in some of those games.

So when you throw my parade for being 7th in the league in total yards and YaRdS aRe YaRdS then we should operate the same way with Kirk cousins. because he’s done it for six years even though you and I both know because it has put up inflated stats and hasn’t reflected that he’s a top 10 Qb 

So I should jump up and down that when the game has been decisively decided he still out there playing hard because for the first 2 1/2 quarters of the game he didn’t well enough to keep them in the game cause he played so poorly. Thankfully he turned it around when teams decided to back off the attack. So we all should just use his stats from when it’s completely decided and and ignore the context he’s been awful for half the game or more because when it was decisively over he still was competing hard. Might well just give everyone a participation trophy Fing playing hard for 60 minutes and accumulating meaningless hallow stats when down 27, 23 and 20 points. 

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Thanks, and welcome to the predictions, still plenty of time to catch the leader.

 

There's also a $500 buy in, I'll PM you my Venmo.  

 

What is the leader? Correctly picking the who wins or is it something else like the score or bold prediction? I haven't picked an Eagles game wrong yet this season. 

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Advantage Broncos

If Shula calls plays and is in charge of the RB rotation and actually runs Javonte Williams properly, that could be trouble. At least Edwards and Taylor play with some physicality; imagine Eric Wilson trying to tackle Williams. What an image.

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

What is the leader? Correctly picking the who wins or is it something else like the score or bold prediction? I haven't picked an Eagles game wrong yet this season. 

Picking the winner and closest to actual score

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Picking the winner and closest to actual score

Where are the standings at right now? 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Where did i say give up? You keep making into that convo. I nowhere said that.

 i said it was inflated garbage time stats. Which is what it is. I guarantee you come on here in the past four years killing Kirk cousins as he isn’t a talk to your quarterbacks were top 10 quarterbacks.

But his stats every year for six year says he’s that. If we all know including yourself that he puts up inflated garbage time stats because we’ve seen it.

So no I’m not asking him to say you know what this game is out of hand and give up. I’m telling you they are inflated stats that don’t reflect how many actually has played in some of those games.

So when you throw my parade for being 7th in the league in total yards and YaRdS aRe YaRdS then we should operate the same way with Kirk cousins. because he’s done it for six years even though you and I both know because it has put up inflated stats  and hasn’t reflected that he’s a top 10 Qb 

Me and Kirk Cousins? Where did that come from? I don't know if I've ever posted on Cousins in 20 years. Hold on. I'll look. 

Nope. Did a quick search of my posts and I don't see any mention of Cousins.

Should I go back into the locked segment on the old site? Nah.

If you can find anything I said about Cousins anywhere, in any context, please cite it. At this point I would be curious to see what I might have said.

Otherwise your guarantee is as worthless as your argument.

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

Where are the standings at right now? 

@Iggles25 has 3. He's the only repeat winner so far, so there's 6 others that have 1.

15 minutes ago, Dobbsy-UK said:

@LeanMeanGM

England 6

Albania 0

Kane gets a hat trick.

Sorry, Wrong game. I meant

Broncos 33

Eagles 21

Eagles give up a safety 

Well played 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

@Iggles25 has 3. He's the only repeat winner so far, so there's 6 others that have 1.

Are we supposed to be trying to win? 

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Well played 

Are we supposed to be trying to win? 

If you want to live

20 minutes ago, justrelax said:

One thing you and others don't seem to mention: in all this garbage time Hurts is still competing. Further, he, with a ton of help, pulled us within one score or tied two of the last three (excluding Detroit) and the defense lay down and died.

This point is very well taken.  Some of the narratives that get formed in here is truly head-scratching.  Everyone would want the offense to put up the majority of points in the first 3 quarters and cruise to victory, but that's not realistic for a below-average team in a rebuild.  The complaining when the Eagles beat CAR was really odd.  The vitriol after the DAL game was way over the top -- it's not like the Eagles haven't lost numerous games in DAL in the same fashion the past few seasons.

When they beat the Lions by 38 points it was "just the Lions" -- the vast majority of predictions in here had the Eagles losing that game.

45 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That's all fine and good.  But there is no chance he lasts that long.  I don't love him either.  But QB's always go higher than they should.  If a team is dumb enough to draft Jalen Hurts in the 2nd, then Kenny Pickett will go higher.  I believe by pick #45, he's gone.  Might be sooner....the closer we get to the combine and then draft.  

I think he’s gone too 15.

Smith is going to be an elite WR as long as he’s healthy. I just hope we find him a QB before he decides to leave. 

26 minutes ago, justrelax said:

So, if I am grasping your argument, those yards and points don't count. Why? Because you are arguing that they don't, not because they don't.

@ToastJenkins posted about the need for context. OK, I'll buy that because it's a valid argument. We're down three scores to the turds with basically two quarters left. Might as well give up, by your argument because, you argue, it's already garbage time. Scores in garbage time don't count, by your argument. By extension, once we get behind at any time we might as well give up because, by your argument, it's already garbage time.

Yes, we got smoked, but what was debilitating in those games was the complete ineffectuality of the defense. When you're getting smoked, the plays you would normally run are out the window.  The other team is going up and down the field and scoring at will. That's context. 

Here's another way of looking at it. To get into those situations, pretty much everyone has wet the bed, Hurts most definitely included.

Your math is, well, not inaccurate, but it proves nothing. You worked backwards from your conclusion to arrive at your numbers. I made the simple argument that amassing 25% of your stats in a segment that is 25% of a game (a quarter) is a reasonable thing, even to be expected. You don't like that rationale so you cooked up your own set of stats to prove, allegedly, something else. You threw out (cherry-picked) two quarters here, three quarters there, and so on. Why? To make an argument. Very lawyerly of you. 

One thing you and others don't seem to mention: in all this garbage time Hurts is still competing. Further, he, with a ton of help, pulled us within one score or tied two of the last three (excluding Detroit) and the defense lay down and died.

 

If the best you can say about a player is they try hard….

35 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Me and Kirk Cousins? Where did that come from? I don't know if I've ever posted on Cousins in 20 years. Hold on. I'll look. 

Nope. Did a quick search of my posts and I don't see any mention of Cousins.

Should I go back into the locked segment on the old site? Nah.

If you can find anything I said about Cousins anywhere, in any context, please cite it. At this point I would be curious to see what I might have said.

Otherwise your guarantee is as worthless as your argument.

so obviously you didn’t get the point. cousins has finish top 10 In stats for quarterbacks over the last six years. Similarly to what jalen hurts is doing feasting on bad teams, plays well for a game or two against good teams and then racks up hallow stats after the good team gets up 3 scores. Would you call him a top 10 Qb and parade him around as such knowing cousins has at least 2-3 games every year against good teams finds himself down significant amount of points cause he played like crap for most of the game til that point? 

answer the question because if we are using your method where everything is cherry picked and doesn’t matter. He should easily be considered top 10 QB because we are now basing on stats that don’t paint the entire picture. And everyone knows in those particular games those were hollow meaningless stats because they did nothing to help the eagles win the game, the game was already decided and only looks impressive on a box score or fantasy football. 

But it’s good to see your standards dropped from we want our players playing at a high-level throughout the entire game or most of the game but now is well at least we still played hard when they got down 3 scores. we should give them a participation trophy at the end of each game for playing hard for 60 entire minutes. Maybe the parents of the players can come in at half time and give them some cut up orange slices and Capri Suns and tell him all that matters is your played hard for 60 mins. Because apparently that’s all that matters once we get down 20-30 points is that we continue to play hard for the whole 60 minutes. F*** winning football games or being competitive for a majority of the game. No no no we don’t need that we need to just be happy they play hard for 60 minutes. I was unaware that our standards have become well at least we’re getting down by three scores we are participating hard until the final whistle. 

So if we pull Jalen hurts in those games and put minshew into those games and I’m guessing he likely isn’t going to be like we’re down 27 and we aren’t coming back. I’m just not gonna play hard for the rest of the 20 minutes we have left. I’m also guessing if they did that minshew would then have those hallow meaningless stats

Kirk Cousins is a top 15 QB. 

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

If you want to live

8 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Kirk Cousins is a top 15 QB. 

And no one’s disagreeing with that. However his statistics over six years has shown you he is consistently a top 10 quarterback.

 Yet you continue to refuse to give it to him that honor. So his stats reflect that and yet you refuse to give him that.  So you know that when you’ve watched him his end-of-the-year top 10 statistics don’t accurately reflect how you feel about him because you’ve watched him enough to know that he isn’t. 

32 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

No mental hurdles alright. 

So Waddle has a low YPR because he plays with a bad QB.  But Smith who has a much higher YPR plays with Hurts who people like you view as one of if not the worst QB in the league. Does not compute. 

Waddle has a low YPR because he plays with a bad QB. Ward had a low YPR because of his QB. Ward saw most of his action with Wentz at QB who many in this thread view as a really good QB. 

So you’re trying to defend both Ward and Hurts? 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

And no one’s disagreeing with that. However his statistics over six years has shown you he is consistently a top 10 quarterback.

 Yet you continue to refuse to give it to him that honor. So his stats reflect that and yet you refuse to give him that.  So you know that when you’ve watched him his end-of-the-year top 10 statistics don’t accurately reflect how you feel about him because you’ve watched him enough to know that he isn’t. 

 

No one is claiming Hurts is a top 7 QB because he has the 7th most total yards for a QB. 

 

This is just the typical meltdown you see from people here anytime something positive about Hurts is posted.