2 hours ago, Desertbirds said:

Holy straw man, Batman!

He lives in the same world where doing well on the Wonderlic "is supposed to automatically make you a good QB.”

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I actually think Pete Carroll would want hurts tbh. He wants to run an offense that’s ball control and TOP which plays into jalen hurts’ favor in that offense. That said i don’t know if Pete Carroll is back next year. There’s been rumors out there that Jody Allen is willing to move on from him. 

Until he throws the ball at the 1 yard line in the Super Bowl.

Re-watching those Reagor drops from the Giants game and those are right up there with the god awful drops that plagued Wentz in 2019.  Every instance drops of great passes that would have otherwise won the games (tie in the Patriots game)

 

 

Agholor vs Falcons

 

JJAW vs Lions (timestamp 12:42)

 

Agholor vs the Patriots (timestamp 10:11)

 

55 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I dont see that, but would love to be proven wrong.

 

Wait, better than Lawrence will be moving forward or better than he was?

Yes to the first. I don’t know to the second.

So, Rodgers will be 39, has a recent injury history, how many years of top play does he have left (and don't point to Brady, who is both a freak and has spent his career in offenses geared to his skill package, that is, short routes that exploit his quick release and accuracy where he doesn't take a lot of hits)?

Wilson is 5'10 (5'9?), was hurt this year, and if he's losing mobility will be much less effective since his height does limit him as a pocket QB, much of Seattle's offense was a variation of "Randall make a play," with Wilson scrambling and throwing deep. We don't have a big fast target for him.

Houston scored 7 points in his first PO game, 22 in his second, and 31 (but gave up 51) in his third. One TD was a punt return. One TD on a 6 yard drive. One TD at the end of the 3rd Q after falling behind 41-24.

In his four years starting, Houston was 17, 11, 14 and 18th in points scored, with a pro bowl LT and all pro WR.

If these guys can't play like the mythological "elite QB", they won't be good enough to elevate an average defense - and if they cost 2 1st rd picks plus, and count $30-40M against the cap, how you gonna upgrade the defense and find another WR?

Good QBs who aren't at the end of their careers will shake lose in a year or two, they always do. If you have the OL, the skill players and the defense, you can plug in a good QB and win.

2 hours ago, Utebird said:

I worked with a person once that identified as non binary, they were biologically female but identified as a male homosexual, so they were attracted to men.

So their name was Donny that's what they preferred to be called and I thought so basically you are a biological female that is attracted to males and I was like oh I'm biological male that is attracted to the females, I identify as heterosexual and in binary terms so would Donny but since Donny didn't they were non binary🤷‍♂️

It's very confusing but hey you be you...

you are confusing gender identity with sexual orientation. They are two different things and this does make it complicated because of the permutations it creates. I'd recommend the book, The Savvy Ally if you are genuinely interested.

10 minutes ago, austinfan said:

So, Rodgers will be 39, has a recent injury history, how many years of top play does he have left (and don't point to Brady, who is both a freak and has spent his career in offenses geared to his skill package, that is, short routes that exploit his quick release and accuracy where he doesn't take a lot of hits)?

Wilson is 5'10 (5'9?), was hurt this year, and if he's losing mobility will be much less effective since his height does limit him as a pocket QB, much of Seattle's offense was a variation of "Randall make a play," with Wilson scrambling and throwing deep. We don't have a big fast target for him.

Houston scored 7 points in his first PO game, 22 in his second, and 31 (but gave up 51) in his third. One TD was a punt return. One TD on a 6 yard drive. One TD at the end of the 3rd Q after falling behind 41-24.

In his four years starting, Houston was 17, 11, 14 and 18th in points scored, with a pro bowl LT and all pro WR.

If these guys can't play like the mythological "elite QB", they won't be good enough to elevate an average defense - and if they cost 2 1st rd picks plus, and count $30-40M against the cap, how you gonna upgrade the defense and find another WR?

Good QBs who aren't at the end of their careers will shake lose in a year or two, they always do. If you have the OL, the skill players and the defense, you can plug in a good QB and win.

Post more nonsense with no response to anyone who addressed you. Clown

8 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Post more nonsense with no response to anyone who addressed you. Clown

How often do you get into bar fights? Since it's obvious you were raised in a barn.

19 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

you are confusing gender identity with sexual orientation. They are two different things and this does make it complicated because of the permutations it creates. I'd recommend the book, The Savvy Ally if you are genuinely interested.

You are confusing gender identity and sexual orientation with genetics.  Both gender identity and sexual orientation are the result of the (almost) infinitely diverse combinations of genes and their components ... DNA, and DNA's components, sequences of nucleotides.

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

How often do you get into bar fights? Since it's obvious you were raised in a barn.

afan, please do me a favor, don't quote downundermike.  Doing so forces me to see his drivel.

You can get to the SB, and therefore win it, without a franchise QB.

2019: Jimmy G
2018: Goff
2017: Foles
2015: Peyton Manning (at that stage of his career, he was awful). Broncos had a historic defense that year though.

However, sustained success, without a franchise QB is so hard.

23 minutes ago, mattwill said:

afan, please do me a favor, don't quote downundermike.  Doing so forces me to see his drivel.

Sorry, I won't do that again.

 

14 minutes ago, RLC said:

You can get to the SB, and therefore win it, without a franchise QB.

2019: Jimmy G
2018: Goff
2017: Foles
2015: Peyton Manning (at that stage of his career, he was awful). Broncos had a historic defense that year though.

However, sustained success, without a franchise QB is so hard.

Amen

55 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Post more nonsense with no response to anyone who addressed you. Clown

So since 2010 here is a List of most all the available QBs that came onto the FA market. 

Peyton manning— had a neck injury and was made available cause the colts lucked into Andrew luck  

Tom Brady— became available and everyone on here thought he was close to or done after his last year in New England.

the third best has been nick foles who won a SB as a backup and then went back to FA and has never replicated it. Or Phillip rivers who was basically at the very end of his career and retired the next offseason. (Had to edit tannehill was actually traded to the titans)

meanwhile besides those 3-4 becoming FAs, the rest of best QBs since 2010 have been: Matt hassleback (35 and done), chad Pennington, Brian hoyer, Jason Campbell, josh mccown, Matt cassell, Jake locker, mark Sanchez, deteriorated Mike vick, kirk cousins, Sam Bradford, Brock Osweiller, Jay cutler (end of career), Mike Glennon, nick foles, aj mccarron, teddy bridgewater, case keenum, tyrod Taylor, Marcus mariota, Andy dalton, cam Newton (done at this point of his career) and Jameis Winston. 

If you include the trades of mediocre starters to good QBs: have wentz, cutler, Alex smith, Goff, tannehill, Carson Palmer, Jimmy G, Sam Bradford and Matt Stafford. I would take Wilson or rodgers over every one of those guys i mentioned via trade that became available. 

So guys who became available in FA that have been as good as rodgers, Wilson (less so watson cause he’s closer to the Stafford, Palmer and smith) there’s really been Brady and manning over a decade window. And via trade the best QBs that became available that had the most success via trade were Alex smith (replaced by Mahomes because they didn’t see him as good enough), Matt Stafford (still don’t think he was worth 2 first), tannehill and Carson Palmer. 

so they become available however Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are the only two that became available that you can argue from a decade standpoint that have been as good as Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers have been in their careers. And just to point out those two in manning and Brady you would have to convince them to wanna come here over other team that might have better rosters when they become available. 

17 minutes ago, RLC said:

You can get to the SB, and therefore win it, without a franchise QB.

2019: Jimmy G
2018: Goff
2017: Foles
2015: Peyton Manning (at that stage of his career, he was awful). Broncos had a historic defense that year though.

However, sustained success, without a franchise QB is so hard.

Everyone takes a different path to a title.  It's already saying something that 2 of the 4 names you mentioned didn't actually win the SB.  You are relying on saying that if you can get to a SB, you can therefore win one.  So it's already a stretch to say that you don't need a franchise QB when the 2 most recent names you mentioned didnt actually win the title because they were outplayed by better QBs.

The Eagles got a non-elite QB to play like an elite QB.  Without that, they don't win a SB.  This also applies to Eli and Flacco.  They were not mere passengers for those titles, despite what many might try to say about Eli.  

2015 is the example of a team winning a title without elite QB play.  And I don't think the NFL, as currently constructed, can have a defense control a playoff run like that right now.

One flukey game where a defense takes over because the offensive mastermind is focused on his kid in jail instead of the game and the QB lays an egg?  Sure, that won the Bucs a SB last year, but I'd hardly call it a blueprint.

Either you get a franchise QB who is elite, or you just try to sell the "anything can happen you don't need to be that great to win a SB" schtick each year and hope for some extreme luck.  It's happened before and it could happen again.  But like you said, the only way to have a good shot is through sustained success, which is through an elite QB.

Kentucky WR/RB Wan’Dale Robinson declared for the draft. He’s an interesting slot/gadget guy. 

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The Eagles got a non-elite QB to play like an elite QB.  Without that, they don't win a SB.  This also applies to Eli and Flacco.  They were not mere passengers for those titles, despite what many might try to say about Eli.  

Exactly. Even average QBs like Flacco/Eli can get hot at the right time. Foles did. Goff was very good against Dallas/New Orleans before wilting in the Super Bowl.

15 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

 

 

 

Eagles are kings of pass rush win rates but not getting a lot of sacks.  

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Kentucky WR/RB Wan’Dale Robinson declared for the draft. He’s an interesting slot/gadget guy. 

He's perfect for Sirianni.

8 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Eagles are kings of pass rush win rates but not getting a lot of sacks.  

That's what happens when you play a soft defensive scheme that allows easy completions underneath the defense.

With limited talent, Gannon had to pick his poison.

8 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Eagles are kings of pass rush win rates but not getting a lot of sacks.  

It’s frustrating and I honestly believe it’s because of the secondary playing off and allowing quick underneath throws. 
If we’d play more press man the sack numbers would go up. 
 

Oh how I miss the JJ days. 

A 30-year-old the Bears cut in the offseason. 

Imagine what Mailata could have fetched in FA. 

People are using "franchise QB" and "elite QB" interchangeably.  Methinks they're not the same thing.

A franchise QB is merely one good enough for a team to commit to starting them for an extended periods, say 4-5 years. Usually they're good enough to be in the top 15 or so.

An elite QB is just that, one of three or four (depending on the time period) QBs who are a tier above their peers, who can carry mediocre teams to the playoffs and good teams to the SB. They can overcome some, but not all flaws. By definition, they're rare, and when a team has one, they don't become available unless there are some issues (age, injury, money, etc.), in which case they're usually not elite (or not for long) with their new team.

You can find and develop a franchise QB, Hurts might become one in a year or two, or not. You have to be awfully lucky to land an elite QB.

Eli Manning was not an elite QB by any measure, but he was a franchise QB.

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

People are using "franchise QB" and "elite QB" interchangeably.  Methinks they're not the same thing.

I think I just found a timewarp of about a decade.   Didn't we already have this conversation back in about 2012?  Maybe it was earlier than that.