6 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Winning or losing isn't the bottom-line for me. Never has been, never will be.  I want the product that I am watching to  be entertaining.  Having Wentz flail around trying to extend plays, fumbling the ball away, taking unnecessary sacks, throwing a greater number of interceptions was not entertaining for me.  It was street ball.  For me Wentz was not plying under a team concept ... but rather, as greend has pointed out playing hero ball.

JMO

Maybe you shouldn't watch sports. The bottom line is winning in sports. Ugly win over a pretty loss any day.

Just now, downundermike said:

That was my reaction when the pick was Jalen Hurts instead of Jeremy Chinn.

Yup

13 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Winning or losing isn't the bottom-line for me. Never has been, never will be.

Explains why you like Hurts.  You will be entertained, but never win in the playoffs.

greends boss comes to see him

greend: hey boss we can't keep up with deliveries I'm going to hire another driver

 

greends boss: well actually I used that money to hire a second manager

 

greend turns on computer and starts looking on indeed for a new job

1 minute ago, greend said:

greends boss comes to see him

greend: hey boss we can't keep up with deliveries I'm going to hire another driver

 

greends boss: well actually I used that money to hire a second manager

 

greend turns on computer and starts looking on indeed for a new job

@greend doesn't know how to use a computer

10 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Any reaction he may have had about the Hurts drafting was/is all about ego ... fragile ego ... the same fragile ego that couldn't accept Febuary 4th.

Nah.  It might have been about wanting to see talent added to the team.   I didn't have the ego issue that you are describing and I was furious at that same pick.  Equally furious at the selection of Reagor.  And I am not the guy who had to play with him.  

9 minutes ago, greend said:

@mattwill

And so the motto for you is "don't try to win because you could get injured or fumble the ball". Instead take the loss and then nobody can accuse you of "hero ball".  This of course flies in the face of any sport I have ever played or any coaching I have ever received. You play  to win the game

I was always coached that you play to be part of a team and the Boston Celtics of the 1958 through 1969 timeframe were the epitome of team play.

11 minutes ago, greend said:

@mattwill

And so the motto for you is "don't try to win because you could get injured or fumble the ball". Instead take the loss and then nobody can accuse you of "hero ball".  This of course flies in the face of any sport I have ever played or any coaching I have ever received. You play  to win the game

Herm agreends.

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

RGIII first 19: 5,052 yards, 32 TDs, 12 TOs

Dont include rushing stats, this is beneath us.

10 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Im behind, so maybe the convo has moved on, but...

I was a Wentz Washer, I was the guy killing Doug and defending Wentz at almost every turn

But theres no way you can look back on that whole situation and not assign some blame to Wentz

Regardless of how bad the FO was, there are worse FOs out there and plenty of QBs who live with them.  Some that are clearly better than Wentz has been.

Regardless of how bad the team was, there are worse rosters out there and there are QBs that play their entire careers on losers.

At the end of the day, I guess Im old school, suck it up and go dp your freaking job, no excuses.  Wentz ran away.  Thats what happened. He made it impossible to salvage the relationship between him and the team and he has to own that.  The Eagles didnt pay him millions of dollars with the condition that everything was easy and all of his wishes and dreams would be granted.

 

I haven't seen anyone suggest otherwise.

30 minutes ago, RLC said:

Rushing yards and touchdowns count the same as passing yards and touchdowns.

It's not the same thing as field goals and extra points. You don't gain/lose style points.

Yes and no.  A passing TD is the QB distributing the football to another player, so two players need to be accounted for.  If the QB throws TD passes to 10 different receivers, like Mahomes this season, then everyone needs to be accounted for.

I'm pretty sure 12 of the 16 passing TDs Hurts has thrown this season have been to 3 players -- Smith, Goedert, Ward.  Add in Hurts, and that's 22 out of 26 TDs by 4 guys.  Not as hard to defend or gameplan for.  

  

2 minutes ago, greend said:

greends boss comes to see him

greend: hey boss we can't keep up with deliveries I'm going to hire another driver

 

greends boss: well actually I used that money to hire a second manager

 

greend turns on computer and starts looking on indeed for a new job

Greend is getting upset. 

11 minutes ago, greend said:

Thanks Freud, but the other reaction might be "you drafted a quarterback instead of some help for me? Are you stupid? 

That is the text book ego-centric response.

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I was always coached that you play to be part of a team and the Boston Celtics of the 1958 through 1969 timeframe were the epitome of team play.

They had a helluva lot of talent too.   No Deontay Burnetts being thrown out there as part of the starting 5.

Just now, mattwill said:

I was always coached that you play to be part of a team and the Boston Celtics of the 1958 through 1969 timeframe were the epitome of team play.

Were they playing with J.V. players all but 1 or 2 guys? 

Bored with the rehashing Wentz debates. "Let me put on sports radio for background noise until I'm done work"

 

First caller: "I hope we get the Bucs the first round of the playoffs because we have Tom Bradys number...."

 

29 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

This isn't about 'right versus wrong'.  This is about the key folks to blame being held accountable.  Howie was absolutely one of the biggest contributors to what failed with this team, and he's still here.  There's no way of getting around that.   

But, I am not going to blame the OL coach, while the GM gets a free pass.  That's silly.  We know what Stoutland is, and what he isn't.  He's a coach, and a damn good one.  He is NOT a coordinator, nor a head coach, nor a personnel guy.  He's not a contract negotiator, nor a roster builder.  He's not the draft guru, nor the one responsible for trades.   That's not his department.   The failure to build the roster, manage the roster and to keep flexibility to deal with the unexpected falls on the GM.  He failed in all 3 phases: draft, free agency and cap management.  Yet, he remains.  The primary contributors were not purged.  Howie played as much of a role as Doug, if not more.  Remember, Doug didn't have authority with his coaching staff, so how much of the blame can he really shoulder?  Just ingenuous to say that he had more culpability than the GM.  

 

But, I do agree... Lurie has his share too.  But we can't fire the owner, just like only the owner can fire the GM.  And here we are... hoping that Howie has turned the corner and become good Howie again... the one that knows how to work the salary cap without digging a giant hole.  Or the one that can find cheap pieces to add that actually contribute.  Let's hope, because he's the one still here.

Howie has value in the front office. I think he is very good at trading for value. He is good at assessing FA value and has re-signed key rookies with good contract.  He has made some good hires at coach and with assistants.  He has built good rosters through FA and trades.  Signing Nelson this season was a good example of being able to fill a need.  He hit on Alshon as a FA but his 2nd contract was a big mistake.  The problem is the draft and his role in the draft process.  

Just now, greend said:

Were they playing with J.V. players all but 1 or 2 guys? 

grocery clerks, like Travis Fulgham.

7 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I was always coached that you play to be part of a team and the Boston Celtics of the 1958 through 1969 timeframe were the epitome of team play.

Didn't they win 10 titles ??  Was that an accident, or did they play to win ??

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Bored with the rehashing Wentz debates. "Let me put on sports radio for background noise until I'm done work"

 

First caller: "I hope we get the Bucs the first round of the playoffs because we have Tom Bradys number...."

 

It's number 12. Everyone knows that. 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He needs the rest from leading the team in tackles and being a solid player.  Too bad he didn't make the pro bowl...huh @HazletonEagle?

Yeah too bad

1 hour ago, greendestiny27 said:

If I could swap out Kendricks for all decade player Wagner or all pro David, I would have to do that. They are superior players and its not even close and they are still playing at a high level to date. I can't see how they wouldn't be integral difference making components on that super bowl defense. 

While Kendricks isn't on their level, I don't think he was utilized to the best of his abilities here.  He's an attack player.  If you put Kendricks at WLB in Jimmy Johnson's defense I think he's a Pro Bowl player.  He was moved around a lot due to Chip Kelly bringing the 3-4 to town. He had his best 2 seasons at ILB in that defense too.  One of my favorite short term Eagles was Shawn Barber.  I think Kendricks could have been a much better Barber-like player if he had a consistent coordinator and scheme.

I wonder how many other teams draft players and play them out of position or in schemes that don't fit their skillsets the way the Eagles do.

Off the top of my head I can think of so many and many of them are at LB.

Mark Simoneau, Matt McCoy, Matt Studabaker, Nate Gerry.

The biggie for me is Chris Gocong.  He should have been a DE or rush LB.   Not a SLB covering tight ends.  

We're seeing it now not only with Rasul Douglas but even Chandon Sullivan. No one talks about it but he was a scrub here yet in 2021 has 3 INT and 4 FF for the Packers.

Back to Kendricks though.  He's still one of my favorite players.  He didn't live up to his potential but he's one of the last Eagles who you knew was going to hit the other team as hard as he could.  I can't think of a guy like that since him. 

What i don’t understand if you don’t care about winning or losing and just being entertained by football/teamwork then why would you chose to watch the eagles over better games presented to you that week? It doesn’t matter if they win or lose then watch the games that are more entertaining. Like last week you could’ve watched the chiefs Vs. Bengals as it was an exciting game and entertaining. Meanwhile the eagles/Washington game was not nearly that entertaining especially in the first half. 

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Howie has value in the front office. I think he is very good at trading for value. He is good at assessing FA value and has re-signed key rookies with good contract.  He has made some good hires at coach and with assistants.  He has built good rosters through FA and trades.  Signing Nelson this season was a good example of being able to fill a need.  He hit on Alshon as a FA but his 2nd contract was a big mistake.  The problem is the draft and his role in the draft process.  

I'm not saying that Howie is the worst GM in the NFL.   I am complaining that he hasn't been held accountable.

 

He also made some terrible choices in whom and how much and when to sign players to 3rd contracts.  Ultimately, the second contracts have worked very well... but those 3rd contracts are the real killers.  Brooks, Johnson, Jeffery, Jackson... so many of them.

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Gardner Minshew, 5156 yards, 33 TD's & 9 turnovers

@LeanMeanGM Minhew's 33 Dak's 38 - QB controversy over playoff starter turned up to 11 which is one more than 10.  

Wow, Brady went to bat for AB after his meltdown, and this is what he gets