1 minute ago, Wentz_Era said:

Foles doesn't have a rocket but he's got an NFL arm and has demonstrated he's capable of making every throw you could ask of him.

Yeah, Foles' arm strength was actually pretty decent. Might have been one of his more underrated attributes.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Oh.  So it’s not "end of discussion”?   

We're on a discussion board, how could anybody declare anything an end of discussion?

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

"take what the defense gives you"...   that was the mantra from the Atlanta game.  The throws were all short because that's what was there.  The first read should be Goedert there... Smith is the second read.  Goedert was there, short of the sticks, but easily had the angle to get to the marker.   This was a case of a good play call, but bad execution.  Should have been a conversion.

Seen him throw a football over them mountains

 

 

16 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I understand what you're saying but IMO the issue is that he was late to identify that read.

His 91 yarder to Quez was about the same distance in air yards and he put it on a dime.  We can reasonably conclude that he is well-capable of making the throw above accurately and on time.

The difference IMO is that he was ready for the throw to Quez and not ready for the the one to Devonta.  He did his little stutter steps as he realized "oh ish, hes open"

Like Westbrook said, he should have recognized immediately that it was there.

Can arm strength make up for that a little bit?  Sure.  But that doesn't mean Hurts' arm isn't strong enough, and that's what people are saying

Like Orlovkeys tweet--to me it doesnt make sense.  They more need to get Hurts up to speed to make his reads, not alter their game plan because they know he cant sling it 70 yards while fading away.  No one game plans for that stuff.

Yeah, I thought Orlovsky’s comments were missing quite a bit of nuance, which isn’t like him. 

2 hours ago, NCiggles said:

I had their triple bock years ago and it was ok.  I mean it's like a sherry or port which I don't really find all that appealing either.  

I like a good dry port but those are hard to find. Most ports are too sweet.  My mother loved a good dry sherry. But those are both dessert drinks, not meant to be consumed with a quaff but savored. Like a good brandy.  

2 hours ago, TorontoEagle said:

Brees, Manning and Brady were three of the most cerebral QBs to ever play. It appears Hurts can't or won't go through any progressions (see the missed play to Goedert on Sunday, where he was throwing it to Smith, regardless of anything else). It's insanity to compare Hurts to those three guys at all. I would literally eat my underwear if Hurts has a career that even approaches any of those three guys. 

Now I have two reasons to hope he can...    you promise to post a video here when you do this, right?

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Now I have two reasons to hope he can...    you promise to post a video here when you do this, right?

Definitely

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Sure, but taking away his ability to run shouldn’t be part of the equation. You look at the whole picture. Not just part of it. 

Nah.  The ability to run in the NFL should always be a bonus, not part of the equation.  The equation remains how well the QB plays within the pocket.  That still hasn't changed.

 

And that's why he wasn't a first round pick.   And why many places even had him as a 3rd rounder.
Nfl.com (Far from an authority, but it gives a sense of his perceived value when drafted)
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jalen-hurts/32004855-5276-7022-85cf-a74490936f42

This article touches on Hurts arm  , and I agree with it ,distance, how fast he can spin it  etc , is not his problem at the position  , it’s his mechanics , timing  and processing speed that needs improvement .

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thephillyblitz.com/2021/02/09/a-deep-dive-into-jalen-hurts-can-he-be-a-franchise-qb/amp/

 

2 hours ago, TorontoEagle said:

I mean, Hurts did not play well enough on Sunday. Against the Falcons he certainly looked like he could be the answer at QB. I think trying to determine what he is based on the still small sample size we have from him is foolhardy. He's going to be an inconsistent player I would guess, and the question becomes can the coaches get him to have more highlights than lowlights. If they can't, then we'll need to move on. 

15 games left to figure it out.

If Hurts can't see over the line then he needs to study Brees and Wilson

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nah.  The ability to run in the NFL should always be a bonus, not part of the equation.  The equation remains how well the QB plays within the pocket.  That still hasn't changed.

 

And that's why he wasn't a first round pick.   And why many places even had him as a 3rd rounder.
Nfl.com (Far from an authority, but it gives a sense of his perceived value when drafted)
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jalen-hurts/32004855-5276-7022-85cf-a74490936f42

I don’t agree. The NFL is changing. Passing always matters the most, but mobility and running is a big factor now. 

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

I think the biggest problem for the people defending Hurts in the situation, they do not understand what arm strength is.  
 

The Hurts throw to Watkins on Sunday, Nick Foles touchdown to Alshon Jeffery in the Super Bowl, those are not arm strength throws those are timing and accuracy throws. Any NFL quarterback can that 50 yards on a high arc throw.

Yup.  Said it this morning.  It has zero to do with 'distance', and has everything to do with 'trajectory'.

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

This is still moronic

it ignores all the weak armed qbs that have failed in the league. And its lots of them

 

This place falls in love with logical fallacies.   This particular one is the proof by example fallacy.  

So just finished watching the replay of the game.

Is it just me or did the refs throw illegal contact on a receiver out the window on this game.

On reagors TD no TD reagor had him beat then the corner way after five yards contacts him and forces him off his line, one can say well reagor needs to fight through the contact and there in lies the problem the corner contacting the WR after 5 yards should be a 5 yards penalty and automatic 1st down.

In the 3rd quarter reagor ran a scissor route and was open on a deep post where the corner passed him off to the safety, jimmy ward, as reagor comes open about 20 yards down field instead of turning and running with reagor ward comes up an runs into him then runs with him and while the ball is in the air contact him as well, yet refs swallow their whistles.

Smitty had a deep pass to him under double coverage in the end zone and the defender contacted him pulled on his arms a full 2 seconds before the ball got there, yet again refs didn't talk about anything just swallowed there whistles.

I feel like the miners DBs got away with a ton of contact after the 5 yards and the refs let them.

It was like watching the Seahawks a couple years back holding on every pass play and daring the refs to call it 20 times a game.

Having said that this game was lost the instant Siriani and hurts couldn't score from the 1 yard line the let the miners go 90+ in 2 minutes to score the go ahead TD, should have just called the game then cuz it was over 

QB cannot live by arm strength alone.    

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t agree. The NFL is changing. Passing always matters the most, but mobility and running is a big factor now. 

Let me know when the ones whose top quality is running rather than throwing make those deep playoff runs.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

QB cannot live by arm strength alone.    

Let me know when the ones whose top quality is running rather than throwing make those deep playoff runs.

Kaepernick got to a SB. Vick to the NFC CG. What do I win? 

It's never been more important for QBs to be able to throw off-platform. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Kaepernick got to a SB. Vick to the NFC CG. What do I win? 

Not a Super Bowl... that much is certain.

IP, you also moved the goal posts. It was running is a bonus, but now it’s deep playoff runs and running better than their passing. 

A QB’s ability to run and be mobile should of course be part of the evaluation. And before you move the goal posts again, yes, I agree that passing is the single most important component of a QB’s on-field evaluation 

16 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t agree. The NFL is changing. Passing always matters the most, but mobility and running is a big factor now. 

How big of a factor though? In the last 20 years, a mobile QB has won the SB twice...  Wilson and Mahomes. 

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not a Super Bowl... that much is certain.

I know. That Kaepernick only put up 364 yards and helped the Niners score 31 points. He really held them back. 

2 minutes ago, What The F said:

How big of a factor though? In the last 20 years, a mobile QB has won the SB twice...  Wilson and Mahomes. 

I don’t care about 10-20 years ago. I’m talking about now and the future. Obviously Brady is the goat, but there just aren’t many pure pocket passers anymore. Improvisational skills are really important. 

Big fan of Beamer , hopefully he can turn that program around , if he is anything like his father , he will .