LeanMeanGM Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said: I know what you meant and said lol. I'm showing you that you are probably right he only has 19 sacks and has 8 personal fouls alone. I'm sure he has at least 10 offsides It’s a neck to neck race. He has 19 penalties so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeanMeanGM Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said: I know what you meant and said lol. I'm showing you that you are probably right he only has 19 sacks and has 8 personal fouls alone. I'm sure he has at least 10 offsides 2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said: It’s a neck to neck race. He has 19 penalties so far. Actually, I misread the chart. He has 19 accepted penalties, 2 declined, and 1 offset. So 22 penalties to 19 sacks. @e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwestbrook36 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said: Actually, I misread the chart. He has 19 accepted penalties, 2 declined, and 1 offset. So 22 penalties to 19 sacks. @e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! Good grief it's worse then I thought. Basically has more penalty yards then yards lost from sacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said: Actually, I misread the chart. He has 19 accepted penalties, 2 declined, and 1 offset. So 22 penalties to 19 sacks. @e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! I found it on this site. He has been called for 12 offside or neutral zone infractions. so the 8 plus 12 makes 20. Impressive on his part. 3 penalties in his career have been canceled due to offsetting. https://www.nflpenalties.com/player/d-barnett-philadelphia-eagles?year=2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeanMeanGM Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: I found it on this site. He has been called for 12 offside or neutral zone infractions. so the 8 plus 12 makes 20. Impressive on his part. 3 penalties in his career have been canceled due to offsetting. https://www.nflpenalties.com/player/d-barnett-philadelphia-eagles?year=2020 That’s what I’m looking at. It says 22 total flags, 2 declined and one offset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwestbrook36 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: I found it on this site. He has been called for 12 offside or neutral zone infractions. so the 8 plus 12 makes 20. Impressive on his part. 3 penalties in his career have been canceled due to offsetting. https://www.nflpenalties.com/player/d-barnett-philadelphia-eagles?year=2020 It's that kind of crap that makes me pissed they even let him back for his 5th year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said: That’s what I’m looking at. It says 22 total flags, 2 declined and one offset Well he was still called for the penalty but it was declined or offset. So he still in my book did something he shouldn’t have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwestbrook36 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 How many negative impact players can this city have at one time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEFly Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 13 hours ago, TorontoEagle said: Seems to me drugs won the war Stupid losing proposition war. Adopt the Portuguese model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleJoe8 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 3 hours ago, BigEFly said: Stupid losing proposition war. Adopt the Portuguese model. You mean like her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGnabb Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 I think it's time we get Boston in the rotation. He's very explosive and can be a match up issue against certain defenses. Use him in the screen game too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggles_Phan Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, KINGnabb said: I think it's time we get Boston in the rotation. He's very explosive and can be a match up issue against certain defenses. Use him in the screen game too. Absolutely... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManuManu Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Posting so we can start the argument again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLC Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, ManuManu said: Posting so we can start the argument again. The implications are clear here. Orlovsky is a member of the EMB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Sin Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 His arm is no weaker than Brees or Brady , he has to process faster and get better mechanics , a few more weapons to utilize wouldn’t hurt . The eagles are trying like hell to justify the Reagor pick , unfortunately I think he was a waste of a first round pick , many of the bad traits he shows now , he displayed at TCU . I go back to what Kurt Warner said , 99% of all throws are 40 yards or less . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggles_Phan Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 16 minutes ago, ManuManu said: Posting so we can start the argument again. What does Dan Orlovsky know about 'arm strength' and playing QB in the NFL? pfft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToastJenkins Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Countdown til the butt-Hurts faction claims Orlovslky is wentz biased… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToastJenkins Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 12 minutes ago, Original Sin said: His arm is no weaker than Brees or Brady , he has to process faster and get better mechanics , a few more weapons to utilize wouldn’t hurt . The eagles are trying like hell to justify the Reagor pick , unfortunately I think he was a waste of a first round pick , many of the bad traits he shows now , he displayed at TCU . I go back to what Kurt Warner said , 99% of all throws are 40 yards or less . Falsey assumes all throws are of equal value processing comes down to intelligence. Its highly unlikely hurts will suddenly get smarter… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggles_Phan Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, Original Sin said: His arm is no weaker than Brees or Brady , he has to process faster and get better mechanics , a few more weapons to utilize wouldn’t hurt . The eagles are trying like hell to justify the Reagor pick , unfortunately I think he was a waste of a first round pick , many of the bad traits he shows now , he displayed at TCU . I go back to what Kurt Warner said , 99% of all throws are 40 yards or less . The biggest misunderstanding of arm strength keeps being tossed about as if the distance of the throw is the crux of the issue. It is not. The issue is the trajectory of the ball, not the distance it travels in the air. Not all throws from 40 yards away are created equal. The same is true about outfielders throwing the ball to 3rd base. It isn't about getting the ball there, it is about getting the ball there quickly. Throwing with a massive arc will help the ball travel farther, but it will also take much more time. That is not the goal in the NFL. The goal is to hit the receiver with the ball before the defense can close the window and be in position to break up the pass and/or deliver a blow immediately to the receiver. Tight window throws are about how fast the ball gets there, not about how far away you are from the target. His velocity isn't great. So, back to your first point, he needs to anticipate the window earlier to get the ball on target and on time. If he hesitates and has a slow delivery of the ball, the window will be gone. And I am still lamenting Jefferson. I likely always will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB52 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 21 minutes ago, ManuManu said: Posting so we can start the argument again. I was called some colorful names this off-season for bringing up Hurts’ less-than-ideal arm strength. The 49ers game, played in perfect weather, certainly seems to show my concern was valid. What’s strange is that his arm looked fine against ATL. It didn’t seem to have the same pop against SF. Sub-optimal arm strength is not a deal breaker. Plenty of QB’s have succeeded in the past with lesser arms. It does make life more difficult, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Sin Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said: Falsey assumes all throws are of equal value processing comes down to intelligence. Its highly unlikely hurts will suddenly get smarter… Why ? It’s worked for Josh Allen , he has come a long way since year one , watching that game , the offensive game plan was not all that creative , certainly didn’t make things difficult on the D . I am not saying Hurts is bad or good , just saying his limitations right now ,are about more than just how far he can throw the ball . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoEagle Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, SB52 said: I was called some colorful names this off-season for bringing up Hurts’ less-than-ideal arm strength. The 49ers game, played in perfect weather, certainly seems to show my concern was valid. What’s strange is that his arm looked fine against ATL. It didn’t seem to have the same pop against SF. Sub-optimal arm strength is not a deal breaker. Plenty of QB’s have succeeded in the past with lesser arms. It does make life more difficult, though. His arm is fine when he takes a drop, plants and throws, much as @Iggles_Phan above you notes. The problem is when he is flushed out of the pocket. He doesn't seem to be able to set his feet again and make the same throw. Which is troubling, considering his propensity to get outside of the pocket. I really hope we see a focus on rhythm passes this week, quick hitters on slants and meshes, and then keep them honest with a few deep shots. I think our WRs can get behind defenders, so Hurts just has to trust that on his 5 or 7 step drop and release, they'll get to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Sin Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Most QBs getting flushed out of the pocket end up throwing with bad mechanics , simply because you don’t have the time , that is where the likes of Allen , Mahomes , Rodgers arm strength comes into play , it compensates for the less than ideal mechanics some of it with Hurts is he is throwing late , so you get some under thrown balls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoEagle Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Original Sin said: Most QBs getting flushed out of the pocket end up throwing with bad mechanics , simply because you don’t have the time , that is where the likes of Allen , Mahomes , Rodgers arm strength comes into play , it compensates for the less than ideal mechanics Yes of course. Hurts is especially bad throwing deep outside the pocket. It's a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeanMeanGM Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Looking forward to arguing about clutchness and no 4QC or GWD instead of arm strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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