3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I heard on the radio that Reagor had significantly more snaps than Watkins.  

 

Yeah, Lowie isn't meddling....😉

92 snaps to 63 through two games.  Watkins having 140 yards on 5 catches, and having caught all 5/5 of his targets, should mean his snap count will steadily increase -- and his targets as well

how many more games like the niners game does Hurts get before you yank him for Minshew Mania? 

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Again 2:1 td ratio is not average. You and i have a different perspective of average. You want average, 11 tds and 8 ints is about average. If he had those numbers for a half of season i would bet you he wouldn’t get that mvp.

also again there’s about 20 variables your hypothetical doesn’t include— such as who has more talent around him, what were their initial expectations heading into the season, what is their team’s record  and i can continue to go on. 

here’s a scenario for you 

player X has 4400 yards 42 tds and 10 ints but was 11 tds and 7 ints for the first 9 games

Player y has 4400 42 tds and 10 ints but consistent all season

who do you think they are giving it too? And if you don’t say player x it goes right back to my whole Colin Kaepernick point that you just dismiss 2 1/2 quarters and focus only on the one and a half quarter. And then tell me I only focus on the first 2.5 quarters. I say the first 2.5 quarters he was poor and the last 1.5 Quarters he was good. so if I combine his poor 2.5 quarters and his 1.5 good quarters then  overall he was average which doesn’t mean it was good enough to win a Super Bowl. 

You refused to define it for me, so I looked up last year's stats here: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/passing.htm

The 16th listed player when sorted by TDs is Jackson with 26 TDs and 9 Ints. The 17th listed player was Rivers with  24 TDs and 6 Ints. Rivers is after Brees with the 24 TDs and 11 Ints. Pretty weird to me that you think a 2:1 TD/Int ratio is somehow not meeting the definition of average. Almost as weird as you thinking 16 Ints is average when not a single QB threw that many last year.

@Bwestbrook36 place has really become a wasteland since i stopped writing the good, the bad and the ugly  lol jk

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

I don't think I'm more of a fan because I have issues with certain players/aspects of the team. I also don't think people are worse fans for having a different opinion. 

It's really not that serious or complicated.

It really isn't and I wasn't talking about anyone in particular. Just that while there are people that are completely overboard on their love for the Birds, where they think they are invincible and can beat anyone in the world, there are those on the complete opposite side of the pendulum.

I forgot about that hospital ball thrown to Smith. That might have been the worst pass of all day. 

9 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I don't think I'm more of a fan because I have issues with certain players/aspects of the team. I also don't think people are worse fans for having a different opinion. 

It's really not that serious or complicated.

Nope.  Unless this is you, 100% of the time, you are a bad fan.

 

1 minute ago, pallidrone said:

It really isn't and I wasn't talking about anyone in particular. Just that while there are people that are completely overboard on their love for the Birds, where they think they are invincible and can beat anyone in the world, there are those on the complete opposite side of the pendulum.

I'm not calling you out, if it came across that way. I'm talking about the people that tell me to "STFU" because I'm not sold on Hurts. Imagine being that worked up. 

There are several posters on here who's opinions are different from mine, but I don't think I've ever once even thought to question their level of love for the team.

Well, aside from Bacarty. No explanation needed.

7 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

how many more games like the niners game does Hurts get before you yank him for Minshew Mania? 

I think as a 2nd round pick, and the investment at the QB position, I think he gets the entire season as long as he's healthy.  That would be the organizational stance IMO. 

If Nick and Steichen get completely frustrated with him and feel he's holding the offense back then it's possible there would be a change ..... but you bet Nick would have to clear that through Howie first.

29 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

You refused to define it for me, so I looked up last year's stats here: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/passing.htm

The 16th listed player when sorted by TDs is Jackson with 26 TDs and 9 Ints. The 17th listed player was Rivers with  24 TDs and 6 Ints. Rivers is after Brees with the 24 TDs and 11 Ints. Pretty weird to me that you think a 2:1 TD/Int ratio is somehow not meeting the definition of average. Almost as weird as you thinking 16 Ints is average when not a single QB threw that many last year.

you do realize there’s not just 32 starting quarterbacks in the league from start to end of season. There’s 32 that start week one and by the end of week 17 it’s not just 32 due to benching or injury or whatever. I’d bet last year if i looked there were 45-50 different QBs that started a nfl game. So again variables that you seemingly just ignore once again. 

If you say 26 touchdowns to 9 interceptions is average in the NFL more power to you. I unfortunately don’t think nearly a 3:1 touchdowns interception ratio is considered average. I guess Kyler Murray was below average last year as his passing td to int ratio wasn’t 3:1. Meanwhile Gardner minshew was a stud he had over 3:1 td ratio so clearly he’s was above average 

your hypothetical is a random attempt at trying to defend a point that has nothing to do with kaepernick playing poorly for 2.5 quarters and you casually just dismissing it like it didn’t happen. He played well enough to win for 1.5 quarters. He didn’t play well enough to win for 2.5 quarters and it’s one of the reasons (besides defense and ST) they lost. Yet somehow it feels like you believe kaepernick’s first 2.5 quarter performance had no barring on the outcome of that game when it absolutely did.   

Additionally gave you an more realistic example of Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers last year which is as close to what you hypothetical is. Yet refuse to accept it. Legitimately Russell Wilson did exactly what you said for the first eight games last year and the second half of the season last year. And Aaron Rodgers was consistently MVP level for 16 weeks. Guess who they gave it to? Aaron Rodgers. And Russell Wilson didn’t even finish second because Josh Allen was more consistent from week one to week 16

almost as weird as you completely ignoring the first 2.5 quarters of a Super Bowl where a player played poorly but then tell me look at totality but really you just dismissed it.

 Honest question do you even think Colin Kaepernick played poorly for the first 2 1/2 quarters of that Super Bowl? Because if your answer is no then we’re done having this conversation

9 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I'm not calling you out, if it came across that way. I'm talking about the people that tell me to "STFU" because I'm not sold on Hurts. Imagine being that worked up. 

There are several posters on here who's opinions are different from mine, but I don't think I've ever once even thought to question their level of love for the team.

Well, aside from Bacarty. No explanation needed.

Sorry, this post kind of came right after 4for4 had his temper tantrum, so I thought it was in conjunction with that.

I get not being sold on Hurts. I am not completely sold on him either. I also know that he is not a finished product by any stretch of the means and I think we are going to see a lot of ups and downs from his this year before anyone can really have a solid opinion on him. There is something there with Hurts, it is just a matter of whether it can actually become something more or not.

I think people get kind of stuck in needing to be in one camp or another, instead of just looking at it from all angles and realizing that this is going to be a long year. 

39 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

we knew Devonta was open,   and we knew Hurts is still a rookie. This just kind of shows you how Devonta could have had a much better day. 

 

 

Should have had a huge day.

6 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

how many more games like the niners game does Hurts get before you yank him for Minshew Mania? 

Depends on if the team is winning or not, if he plays like he did against the niners they aren't winning many games.

Hard work and leadership can only take a player so far, at some point if he doesn't show many signs of progressing then it would be more logical to see what one has with Minshew.

Crazy thing about the niners game is as bad as hurts played they still were only a play or two away from winning that game.

Who knows where sirrianni or more realistically Howie's limit is with hurts 

If it's up to Howie he probably plays him as long as he can continue to sell hurts jerseys 

 

3 hours ago, downundermike said:

It is not the direction of the NFL  There has always been mobile QB's, meaning, they can move around in the pocket, take off if need be.  Steve Young, Warren Moon, John Elway, Rich Gannon, Rodney Peete.  The NFL is not changing at all, and it certainly is not changing to anything like Lamar Jackson and Jalen Hurts.  Russel Wilson is not a running QB, he is a QB that is mobile and will run if it presents itself. 

I mentioned it earlier, but we need to refer to the blogtionary....

Mobile - athletic enough to move around the pocket or create a new one with ease.  Can move the chains with their legs if the need arises on a breakdown.

Running QB - one who's brain short circuits and resorts to taking off at the first sign of adversity.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Fun Hysterically entertaining day in the Blog. 

FYP.

 

14 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

I mentioned it earlier, but we need to refer to the blogtionary....

Mobile - athletic enough to move around the pocket or create a new one with ease.  Can move the chains with their legs if the need arises on a breakdown.

Running QB - one who's brain short circuits and resorts to taking off at the first sign of adversity.

There should be another category - Throwing RB.  Built like a running back, runs like a running back, takes off at 1st site of pressure, throws occasionally to WRs short and in the flat mostly.  Could be confused with Wildcat QB.

3 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The Ravens' defense was older... last dance for guys like Ray Lewis and Ed Reed.  Maybe they tightened up a little.  Not sure, but that might fit with that delay.

The communications equipment issues the Ravens had post 'black out' I'm sure helped the lead slip as well.  That entire thing was really....shady/sus

@Swoop @4for4EaglesNest

This might be my new favorite terrible take/excuse

 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

@Swoop

This might be my new favorite terrible take/excuse

 

Great. Now people are going to use that. I hope you're happy...

24 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

you do realize there’s not just 32 starting quarterbacks in the league from start to end of season. There’s 32 that start week one and by the end of week 17 it’s not just 32 due to benching or injury or whatever. I’d bet last year if i looked there were 45-50 different QBs that started a nfl game. So again variables that you seemingly just ignore once again. 

If you say 26 touchdowns to 9 interceptions is average in the NFL more power to you. I unfortunately don’t think nearly a 3:1 touchdowns interception ratio is considered average. I guess Kyler Murray was below average last year as his passing td to int ratio wasn’t 3:1. Meanwhile Gardner minshew was a stud he had over 3:1 td ratio so clearly he’s was above average 

your hypothetical is a random attempt at trying to defend a point that has nothing to do with kaepernick playing poorly for 2.5 quarters and you casually just dismissing it like it didn’t happen  

Additionally gave you an more realistic example of Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers last year which is as close to what you hypothetical is. Yet refuse to accept it. Legitimately Russell Wilson did exactly what you said for the first eight games last year and the second half of the season last year. And Aaron Rodgers was consistently MVP level for 16 weeks. Guess who they gave it to? Aaron Rodgers. And Russell Wilson didn’t even finish second because Josh Allen was more consistent from week one to week 16

almost as weird as you completely ignoring the first 2.5 quarters of a Super Bowl where a player played poorly but then tell me look at totality but really you just dismissed it.

 Honest question do you even think Colin Kaepernick played poorly for the first 2 1/2 quarters of that Super Bowl? Because if your answer is no then we’re done having this conversation

So now the average is predicated on the total number of QBs who have started at least one game for any NFL team? Seems like pretty a tortured way of defining what average is. 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

@Swoop

This might be my new favorite terrible take/excuse

 

Time to put Flacco in for 4th quarters 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

@Swoop

This might be my new favorite terrible take/excuse

 

Yeah I've never heard this excuse before, I mean sure if hurts were throwing 95 mph fast balls every pass then yeah 4th quarter go to the bull pen but he's not.

I mean can you imagine you're qb in the 4thqtr not throwing deep cuz his arm is spent???

Stupid take.

34 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

@Bwestbrook36 place has really become a wasteland since i stopped writing the good, the bad and the ugly  lol jk

So YOU'RE the one to blame?  Shame, shame.

 

54 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

we knew Devonta was open,   and we knew Hurts is still a rookie. This just kind of shows you how Devonta could have had a much better day. 

 

 

Interesting to look at the Reagor non-TD on this film.  When Hurts lets go of the football Reagor is at the 15-yard line and well within the boundary.  The Niners DB initiates contact with Reagor as the ball is in the air, Reagor fights through the contact and actually makes an excellent effort to come down with the ball.  Most WR are not going to get to the ball, much less catch it. 

Definitely should have been an illegal contact penalty on the defense; the only way Reagor can get to the ball is to do exactly what he did.  Unfortunate his heel hit the boundary as he was fighting through contact -- but that's clearly illegal contact if not DPI.

The assertion that this play demonstrates a shortcoming on Reagor's part?  Pure baloney.

 

Just now, Swoop said:

Great. Now people are going to use that. I hope you're happy...

Yea but they are going to use it without realizing how much of a slap in the face excuse it is to a guy who puts in all the work at the gym and gets tired out before a shlub like this