3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Not according to Sirianni

lol 

I think Watkins is going to be one of those guys where you will have a hard time finding a Qb that can actually out throw his speed.

Just now, Utebird said:

Sirrianni is partly to blame as are Howie and Lurie who have reportedly told him to pass more.

Having said that if Lurie and Howie want a passing team they should maybe get a qb who is a more efficient passer.

The play Westbrook highlighted where Smith was streaking down the field and instead hurts throws a bad pass to Ertz down sideline speed two ways that hurts can't drive the ball.

1 in that instead of fitting the ball between the safety and LB to Ertz he puts way too much air under it leading to the pick.

And 2 he didn't throw it to Smith because he doesn't trust he can make that throw.

Even the pass on the off sides was a joke, dude had a freebie and he tosses it out of bounds.

Sure hurts can technically make all the throws but those throws aren't getting their in a hurry, he's not beating coverage with his arm.

Even the wide open Watkins pass, Watkins had to slow up for it, the throw got there but it took for ever to get there which allowed the DB to close and stopped Watkins from scoring.

I have yet to see hurts throw the ball all over the field and especially yet to see him do So with velocity or accuracy.

 

Re-watch that Watkins pass.  He slowed down after bursting quickly for it.  That's 50 yards in the air.  He throws rain ball passes down the field but so did Foles with a lot of you look at with rose colored glasses.  

 

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Also you have seen him throw with velocity.  That TD throw to Goedert week 1 wasn't getting there without velocity.  

 

 

I really liked Davis Mills in the 3rd round of this past draft.  In some ways, I liked him more than Wilson/Fields/Lance, none of whom I particularly liked as franchise-level investments.  

Carson Strong looks like the best QB prospect in the upcoming draft, will likely go in round 1...and I'm not sure if he even compares favorably to Mills.

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

The replay where Watkins stops and waits for the ball suggests otherwise.

Oh I know. Just wanted to share that ridiculous tweet. 

1 hour ago, justrelax said:

There was a simple reason we couldn't run the ball: we couldn't block the interior.  Dickerson and Driscoll and Kelce were physically dominated all game. Nor were they coherent in their blocking. Their combo-blocks were badly timed and the release of the one blocker to the second level basically wasn't there. Combo blocks require both OL to hit the defender at the same time. Not only that, they have to be hip to hip so the defender can't split them. When the All-22 goes up I'll post a couple of no-nos. As for the tackles, it looked to me that Mailata's right leg wasn't, um, right. He couldn't drive off it well and he had trouble pivoting. Dillard was our best OL that game, and by a lot. Most of our successful runs were to the left. Pass rush pressure came from the inside for the most part, although Mailata got beat a few time to his right.

There were a few reasons for the failure of the short/screen game other than rank stupidity. The first was that we got nowhere inside. The second was that our guards and center did not seal LB pursuit. The third was that our slot receiver whiffed on several blocks (I'm looking at you, Reagor). His man came clean and the back had no chance.

 

My impression was that Carolina's DBs and LBs knew the screens were coming.  I think Reagor's miss in part was because the DB was already breaking to the screen and anticipated Reagor's move. 

Not even close to overthrowing him...

(Sorry about the link, you'll have to click it to see it.) 

8 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

 

 

Most penalized team in the league with players all around continually making the same dumb mistakes over and over again like Reagor running back kickoffs 8 yards deep in the endzone and players committing the same penalties over and over.  

 

Dumbest team in the league, most penalized team in the whole league.  But yeah, no blame at all to the coaches.  Coaches deserve no blame at all for the team making the same stupid mistakes again and again.  

40 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I can't say I agree with this. Hurts does not have the arm to throw it to Smith. Ertz was the correct read, just a bad pass. 

Like every receiver was open on that play, and it was still a pick. But Siri’s play calling!

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

My impression was that Carolina's DBs and LBs knew the screens were coming.  I think Reagor's miss in part was because the DB was already breaking to the screen and anticipated Reagor's move. 

Yup I remember a couple where reagor was supposed to block but really never got the chance as the defender was past him before he even got a chance to block 

Panthers were all over the WR screens and Nick just kept dialing them up🤔

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not even close to overthrowing him...

(Sorry about the link, you'll have to click it to see it.) 

Yup I watched it on replay as well and Watkins takes about two drag steps to slow up for the ball.

 

On the Watkins throw, Hurts couldn't step in to the throw, but if the ball was out on time, its not an issue.  Watkins actually slowed down out of his break, looked like he wasn't expecting the ball... then hit the gas to catch up to it... then slowed down to let it catch up to him.

36 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I disagree with you on that.  Smith is the right throw, but Hurts can't get the ball there.  But that's the right read.   "If he's even, he's leaving."    On the other side, Watkins is also open on a simple hook route, just needs to be thrown to the outside so the LB can't undercut it.

 

But, Hurts just doesn't have the arm to make these NFL throws.  He can put the ball down the field, but the windows aren't big enough for his arm to get the ball in there very often.   He can't 'pull the string'.  The Smith ball would be one that he at least would have the chance to put it up with arc and let Smith run under it.   But, he'd have to release it when Smith puts his arm up to have a chance.   

I am pretty confident that he doesn't.

I think he can make that throw as long as he sets and decides to throw it. His throw to Watkins was just as far.   I don't think Hurts had a good game but my perception was that he was not the reason the offense wasn't functioning.  

Just now, NCiggles said:

I think he can make that throw as long as he sets and decides to throw it. His throw to Watkins was just as far.   I don't think Hurts had a good game but my perception was that he was not the reason the offense wasn't functioning.  

It's not about how 'far' he can throw it, its about the trajectory he needs to throw it that far.   Throwing it at a higher angle gets it further, but adds time to the flight of the ball.  Hurts doesn't have the ability to throw a flat, deep ball.  Only rainbows.

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Most penalized team in the league with players all around continually making the same dumb mistakes over and over again like Reagor running back kickoffs 8 yards deep in the endzone and players committing the same penalties over and over.  

 

Dumbest team in the league, most penalized team in the whole league.  But yeah, no blame at all to the coaches.  Coaches deserve no blame at all for the team making the same stupid mistakes again and again.  

OK, Shoelaces.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It's not about how 'far' he can throw it, its about the trajectory he needs to throw it that far.   Throwing it at a higher angle gets it further, but adds time to the flight of the ball.  Hurts doesn't have the ability to throw a flat, deep ball.  Only rainbows.

Foles was the same way. You can make it work. 

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

OK, Shoelaces.

 

Imagine watching football and thinking the coaching staff should not be accountable for leading the league in penalties and players keep making the same repeated dumb mistakes in games.  

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

I think he can make that throw as long as he sets and decides to throw it. His throw to Watkins was just as far.   I don't think Hurts had a good game but my perception was that he was not the reason the offense wasn't functioning.  

Maybe not THE reason, but he was A reason.

Missed Gainwell and Ertz on consecutive plays in the fourth quarter.  Without the punt block, we may not have been able to drive the field to score.

He also didn't pull the ball in the read option until the fourth quarter, which showed to be effective when he did.

He has some things going for him, but still not playing near a franchise QB level.

4 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Foles was the same way. You can make it work. 

Foles had much better anticipation.  RPOs worked with Foles because he could make the quick read and get the ball out.   That's not happening with Hurts.

16 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Re-watch that Watkins pass.  He slowed down after bursting quickly for it.  That's 50 yards in the air.  He throws rain ball passes down the field but so did Foles with a lot of you look at with rose colored glasses.  

 

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Also you have seen him throw with velocity.  That TD throw to Goedert week 1 wasn't getting there without velocity.  

 

 

Come on now that one to Goedert is a 15-20 yard pass and while it wasn't a floater other qbs make that pass with more velocity more consistently.

Yup I did watch the Watkins pass he speeds up for it then right before the catch point slows up for it.

You can show a good throw here or there and I can just as easily show a bunch of bad throws or non throws where hurts never let the ball rip.

I'm guessing because he doesn't trust his arm.

Hurts doesn't have a noodle arm but it's definitely not elite or upper half of the league and he doesn't have the accuracy to make up for his lack of elite arm strength.

I said after the falcons game that I wasn't going to crown hurts and after the cowboys game I wasn't going to bury him and maybe even after 5 games drawing a conclusion may even be premature.

Still at this point after 9 starts I haven't seen him consistently make throws into tight windows or throw the deep ball with any consistency or velocity when needed.

I still see a qb who struggles to get off his first read, has shown iffy pocket awareness and inconsistent accuracy under pressure not to mention Inability to really drive the ball consistently.

I dont think after 12 more games his arm is going to get stronger nor do I think his accuracy will get much better.

I think he can improve his pocket awareness and understanding of defenses and such and I question can he improve Enough in those areas to make up for inconsistencies and inadequacies in arm talent?

 

11 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Imagine watching football and thinking the coaching staff should not be accountable for leading the league in penalties and players keep making the same repeated dumb mistakes in games.  

It's called context.

I can hold the coaches responsible for presnap stuff like 12-men, delay of game, false starts due to poor communication.  For not teaching WRs to stay in bounds or run a rub route.

I can hold players responsible for facemasks, unnecessary roughness, encroachment, DPI, etc.  I can hold players responsible for not understanding the same basic stuff that they were taught by ALL THEIR COACHES BEFORE THEY GOT HERE. 

7 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Foles was the same way. You can make it work. 

Yes Foles made it work for about a half a season then that was it 

 

BTW... Comparing him to Foles isn't really a high mark.  Nick was a backup QB in the NFL, still is a backup QB and has pretty much always been a backup QB.   He has had stretches where he was just in a magical zone, but for the majority of his career, he's just a backup QB.   That said, that beautiful backup QB got hot at exactly the right time and all things worked together to bring this city its long awaited NFL championship.  But, still... Foles isn't a guy teams are looking to build their franchise around, nor have they ever.  

The Gruden email story is really starting to bother me. Reporters seem pretty incessant about getting him suspended and stoking outrage. Were they insensitive and cruel? Sure. They happened 10 years ago.

Someone saw those emails back then and found them gross and either showed or told someone else about them. There is no way in hell the league didn't know about it then as well as NFL insiders who are constantly talking to people. Yet no one exposed it then.

Now because of the events over the last year where society has become super racially aware and I'll argue too much so, people who likely knew about these emails back in 2011 are going in on the "he needs to be punished" takes so for clout. It's Fing embarrassing.

Unless it's an actual crime and a serious one, I find punishing people for crap they did a freaking decade ago so damn sad. It comes off as petty, vindictive, and frankly a total lack of awareness or understanding of how humans work. They have no idea how much Jon Gruden has changed as a person during that time period. But at the end of the day, if you want someone punished for crap that isn't a crime, then Fing find out about it or expose it when it actually happens. Otherwise, take the Fing L and stop acting like goddamn children.

Sweet jesus

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

BTW... Comparing him to Foles isn't really a high mark.  Nick was a backup QB in the NFL, still is a backup QB and has pretty much always been a backup QB.   He has had stretches where he was just in a magical zone, but for the majority of his career, he's just a backup QB.   That said, that beautiful backup QB got hot at exactly the right time and all things worked together to bring this city its long awaited NFL championship.  But, still... Foles isn't a guy teams are looking to build their franchise around, nor have they ever.  

Considering the stakes, his NFCCG / SB was the most amazing two-game stretch I've ever witnessed.

23 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I really liked Davis Mills in the 3rd round of this past draft.  In some ways, I liked him more than Wilson/Fields/Lance, none of whom I particularly liked as franchise-level investments.  

Carson Strong looks like the best QB prospect in the upcoming draft, will likely go in round 1...and I'm not sure if he even compares favorably to Mills.

I have to question wtf you have been looking at…