8 hours ago, ilikepargo said:

It was the Jets.

No doubt, but last week it was (just) the Giants.  Minshew just delivered a much better passing performance against pretty much the same caliber of team / defense than Hurts did last week.  It's obvious Minshew is a much more polished passer while Hurts adds a different dynamic to the position and can do much more damage with his legs.  If only he could develop his passing game to a respectable level to be a legit passing threat we'd have something.  

15 hours ago, EagleMatt said:

After one game? This game was similar to the ATL game where hurts also balled as a passer. Short memory?

One game? Minshew has a handful more career starts than Hurts does, and much better numbers. 

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

No doubt, but last week it was (just) the Giants.  Minshew just delivered a much better passing performance against pretty much the same caliber of team / defense than Hurts did last week.  It's obvious Minshew is a much more polished passer while Hurts adds a different dynamic to the position and can do much more damage with his legs.  If only he could develop his passing game to a respectable level to be a legit passing threat we'd have something.  

Minshew can run a bit if needed. The difference is he doesn't have to run. 

2 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Minshew can run a bit if needed. The difference is he doesn't have to run. 

I don't disagree ... Hurts is just much more of a threat in that aspect.  Hurts can pass a bit if needed ... it is just that Minshew is much more of a threat.  Too bad we can't combine them both - we'd have a legit QB (Minshurts  ).

I think Minshew looked "okay".  His 2 TD passes were pretty much rainbows (especially the 2nd one) and the majority of the rest of his passes were checkdowns.  Everytime he rolled out, he looked "panicky" to me.  Nothing about his performance yesterday said "start me" or gave me any reason to think he's a better option than Hurts.  He's a good backup who can give the team a chance when called upon.  Beyond that, he seems like a fun person and good teammate.

 

 

The "just the Jets” argument holds no water with me. It’s not like this is Minshew’s only start in his career. He put up good numbers with a pathetic Jaguars organization. 

18 hours ago, Infam said:

He had a very solid game especially in the first half against a really bad team that was not prepared at all.

Very glad we have a good backup.

He did what he was supposed to do. It’s not my job to bench or promote him, but I will always give credit when credit is due. 

27 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I don't disagree ... Hurts is just much more of a threat in that aspect.  Hurts can pass a bit if needed ... it is just that Minshew is much more of a threat.  Too bad we can't combine them both - we'd have a legit QB (Minshurts  ).

I guess that would be an in his prime Russell Wilson. Unfortunately he’s not available. Just an overpaid older version that could be starting to decline as a player. 

Nice to see Minshew play well. Eagles probably go back to Hurts after the bye.

At least we have an idea what Minshew can do.

Will Hurts do enough to keep the starting job? Dunno.

 

32 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

I think Minshew looked "okay".  His 2 TD passes were pretty much rainbows (especially the 2nd one) and the majority of the rest of his passes were checkdowns.  Everytime he rolled out, he looked "panicky" to me.  Nothing about his performance yesterday said "start me" or gave me any reason to think he's a better option than Hurts.  He's a good backup who can give the team a chance when called upon.  Beyond that, he seems like a fun person and good teammate.

I agree.  Hurts is a good backup who can give the team a chance to win when called upon, beyond that he might be a fun person and seems a good teammate. 

 

 

oh... my bad... you were talking about Minshew.   That's the whole rub here... the debate on Minshew versus Hurts isn't about who the starting QB should be for the next 10 years... its about the next 4 games.  Minshew is a backup QB.  Hurts is a backup QB.  Neither is a long term starter in the NFL.  One can run a more conventional NFL offense, the other requires an offense tailored to his specific skill set.  

5 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Yep - clearly the Jets are poor and not prepared for him and he had some under thrown mid range to deep passes.

But he balled out - can’t ask for much more. Happy to have him. 
 

Back to Hurts after the bye. I expect them both to be here next year.

The coach has said that Hurts is the guy, BUT he did say Hurts would be evaluated and will see how it goes.  

12 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

Nice to see Minshew play well. Eagles probably go back to Hurts after the bye.

At least we have an idea what Minshew can do.

Will Hurts do enough to keep the starting job? Dunno.

 

We will see, but as long as he’s winning games I don’t think it matters. I hope him sitting for a week will help him see that getting the ball in space to Watkins is a good thing though. 

44 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I don't disagree ... Hurts is just much more of a threat in that aspect.  Hurts can pass a bit if needed ... it is just that Minshew is much more of a threat.  Too bad we can't combine them both - we'd have a legit QB (Minshurts  ).

They both have a dead arm tho lol ( hurtshew

39 minutes ago, nipples said:

The "just the Jets” argument holds no water with me. It’s not like this is Minshew’s only start in his career. He put up good numbers with a pathetic Jaguars organization. 

That’s your prerogative, but nevertheless they’re still the Jets. Jalen Hurts went 27/35 for 264 with 3 tds and no turnovers against Atlanta this year. On top of that he added 62 rush yards. No one needs to go crazy over a win verses the Jets, because frankly if Hurts beat this team literally on one leg no one would be claiming that he’s the guy afterwards. 

Why not platoon them?  Seriously, why not?  It's a 17 game season, these backup types can only run half a season's worth of packages.

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I agree.  Hurts is a good backup who can give the team a chance to win when called upon, beyond that he might be a fun person and seems a good teammate. 

 

 

oh... my bad... you were talking about Minshew.   That's the whole rub here... the debate on Minshew versus Hurts isn't about who the starting QB should be for the next 10 years... its about the next 4 games.  Minshew is a backup QB.  Hurts is a backup QB.  Neither is a long term starter in the NFL.  One can run a more conventional NFL offense, the other requires an offense tailored to his specific skill set.  

I don't agree.  We need to see Hurts finish out the season, whether we make the playoffs or not.  Based on what I saw yesterday out of Minshew, I would have less confidence in our offense going against a decent defense with him at the helm vs. Hurts. Note, this is not me saying that Hurts is "the answer"...but rather me saying that we need to see him for a complete season so we can have as best of an assessment as possible.  

Minshew is what he is...Koy Detmer. 

We need more examples to see if Hurts could be better than Rodney Peete.

13 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

That’s your prerogative, but nevertheless they’re still the Jets. Jalen Hurts went 27/35 for 264 with 3 tds and no turnovers against Atlanta this year. On top of that he added 62 rush yards. No one needs to go crazy over a win verses the Jets, because frankly if Hurts beat this team literally on one leg no one would be claiming that he’s the guy afterwards. 

Again, it’s not just the Jets game. He played well for a terrible Jags team. 
 

His completion percentage is 6 points higher than Hurts. TD:Int ratio way better. Passer rating 12 points higher. 

9 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

I don't agree.  We need to see Hurts finish out the season, whether we make the playoffs or not.  Based on what I saw yesterday out of Minshew, I would have less confidence in our offense going against a decent defense with him at the helm vs. Hurts. Note, this is not me saying that Hurts is "the answer"...but rather me saying that we need to see him for a complete season so we can have as best of an assessment as possible.  

Minshew is what he is...Koy Detmer. 

We need more examples to see if Hurts could be better than Rodney Peete.

.  No on both comps.   

 

Other than their skin color, Rodney Peete and Jalen Hurts have very little in common as QBs.  Peete was a pocket passer.  Hurts is a runner, who is very uncomfortable in the pocket.  Did Peete ever lead any team he was on in rushing?   In a game, let alone the entire season?  Come on... 

 

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

.  No on both comps.   

 

Other than their skin color, Rodney Peete and Jalen Hurts have very little in common as QBs.  Peete was a pocket passer.  Hurts is a runner, who is very uncomfortable in the pocket.  Did Peete ever lead any team he was on in rushing?   In a game, let alone the entire season?  Come on... 

 

Ha, I'll give you that on Peete/Hurts.  He was the first one that popped in my head...prob cuz I see Minshew as Detmer.  But regardless of rushing...Peete was a QB who played good enough to be seen as a starter at times, while ultimately proving he was better suited as a quality backup.  So, it's a good comparison in that regard.

Can Hurts be better than Peete?  Hell, can he be better than Cam Newton?  Newton, by the way, never impressed me as a "quarterback".  He could always run, but his ability to diagnose defenses and deliver consistent accurate passes always left much to be desired.  In a way, Newton is a good benchmark for Hurts.  Can Hurts improve enough to be a more rounded QB than Newton?  

22 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

I don't agree.  We need to see Hurts finish out the season, whether we make the playoffs or not.  Based on what I saw yesterday out of Minshew, I would have less confidence in our offense going against a decent defense with him at the helm vs. Hurts. Note, this is not me saying that Hurts is "the answer"...but rather me saying that we need to see him for a complete season so we can have as best of an assessment as possible.  

Minshew is what he is...Koy Detmer. 

We need more examples to see if Hurts could be better than Rodney Peete.

What makes you say you’re more confident in Hurts based on yesterday? The accurate passes? The anticipation throws? The sight of a QB making more than one read before taking off to run?

I don’t see how anyone could look at both of their careers thus far and deduce that Hurts has a better chance at long-term success. 
 

As far as the Koy Detmer comparison, that’s a joke right?

Detmer had one amazing game where he played way, way above his abilities. His career completion percentage was 52%. Minshew is at 63%. Detmer 61.2 passer rating, Minshew 94 passer rating. Detmer 10:15 TD:INT, Minshew 39:11. 

4 hours ago, Boogyman said:

You realize he hardly threw in the second half, right?

Did you watch the second half?

10 minutes ago, nipples said:

What makes you say you’re more confident in Hurts based on yesterday? The accurate passes? The anticipation throws? The sight of a QB making more than one read before taking off to run?

I don’t see how anyone could look at both of their careers thus far and deduce that Hurts has a better chance at long-term success. 
 

As far as the Koy Detmer comparison, that’s a joke right?

Detmer had one amazing game where he played way, way above his abilities. His career completion percentage was 52%. Minshew is at 63%. Detmer 61.2 passer rating, Minshew 94 passer rating. Detmer 10:15 TD:INT, Minshew 39:11. 

The accurate passes? The anticipation throws?  Oof...man, we were watching the same game and seeing 2 different things.  My whole point is that Minshew did not look good enough to decisively say "play this man the rest of the year".  Hurts has had better games against better defenses than what we saw out of Minshew yesterday against the worst defense in the league.

If you see that and think playing him is more valuable than playing Hurts the ROS, I don't know what to tell you.  

I probably would have looked good against the Jets, so I want to see him play against an actual NFL team before making any conclusions about his abilities. Either way, QB needs to be addressed for next season. I'm not convinced that we have our 2022 QB on the roster at the moment. 

Hurts is the starter unless he isn't near 100% after the bye week and he should be the starter in that case. However, if Hurts doesn't have good games against the Giants and/or WFT, we are likely out of the playoff picture. If that's the case I'd like to see what Minshew can do in week 17. For now, our playoff chances need to rise or fall on Hurts.

I'm getting WAY ahead of myself here, but I think our future QB could learn a lot more from Minshew then Hurts, assuming neither one of these two are the future starter.

28 minutes ago, SB52 said:

Did you watch the second half?

I watched the whole game. Did you? Or are you gonna point out a few throws that were not perfectly placed? Because he only had a few incompletions the entire game, and we scored on our first seven drives.

To be honest I don't even think this is about arm strength or accuracy. Minshew surveyed the field and got the ball out on time. Hurts always looks confused and stares one receiver down on most plays.