Is there a good breakdown of the Jets game for Minshew? I saw that Breaking the Birds doesn't have one for Minshew yet

Minshew played OK, I didn't see anything great, he was solid and his arm didn't look any stronger than the Hurts' throws...

 

Minshew's first game looked similar to Hurts' first game vs the Falcons this season.

 

Both QBs can be competent with the right game plan and playing to their strengths, the problem is Lurie wants an all out air raid offense with a QB like Deshaun Watson pulling the trigger. Cant do that with Minshew and Hurts.

Toyota offense player of the week. I guess we're rolling with uncle Rico.

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/video/toyota-player-of-the-week-gardner-minshew-week-13-2021-season

Honestly what Minshew did on that Jags team since he was a rookie is pretty impressive when looking at how dysfunctional that place is. I wonder how he would be if given a chance with a competent franchise. Trevor Lawrence is supposed to be this generational player and he hasn't looked a third as good as Minshew did when he was there.

21 hours ago, Damanick10 said:

Honestly what Minshew did on that Jags team since he was a rookie is pretty impressive when looking at how dysfunctional that place is. I wonder how he would be if given a chance with a competent franchise. Trevor Lawrence is supposed to be this generational player and he hasn't looked a third as good as Minshew did when he was there.

That’s what I’ve been saying. The guy played very well for the Jags. Put up wayyyyy better numbers than Lawrence is. 
 

I also cannot fathom why so many say we still need to see more of Hurts to know what he is, but not Minshew. The difference in number of starts is only 5 games, so it’s not like Minshew has had 3 full seasons worth of games to prove himself compared to Hurts. 

22 hours ago, Damanick10 said:

Honestly what Minshew did on that Jags team since he was a rookie is pretty impressive when looking at how dysfunctional that place is. I wonder how he would be if given a chance with a competent franchise. Trevor Lawrence is supposed to be this generational player and he hasn't looked a third as good as Minshew did when he was there.

I guess that won't be happening here. 

 

On 12/13/2021 at 11:49 AM, Damanick10 said:

Honestly what Minshew did on that Jags team since he was a rookie is pretty impressive when looking at how dysfunctional that place is. I wonder how he would be if given a chance with a competent franchise. Trevor Lawrence is supposed to be this generational player and he hasn't looked a third as good as Minshew did when he was there.

Except Minshew played for Marrone, and NOT Meyer.  Two different coaches, and systems.

1 hour ago, MF POON said:

Except Minshew played for Marrone, and NOT Meyer.  Two different coaches, and systems.

It's still a crap franchise with a terrible roster. Meyer is a disaster tho.

1 hour ago, MF POON said:

Except Minshew played for Marrone, and NOT Meyer.  Two different coaches, and systems.

It doesn’t matter. The organization and roster is trash, regardless of who the head coach is. 

20 hours ago, nipples said:

It doesn’t matter. The organization and roster is trash, regardless of who the head coach is. 

It does matter because as bad as Marrone was, he wasn't as unfit as Meyer. Lawrence could be playing much better under a different coach/system, so it's unfair to compare him and Minshew under two different situations. 

Also, it's funny how people use the state of that organization to fit whatever narrative they want to push.  When Foles couldn't succeed there, it was because he sucked, yet when Minshew failed it's somehow "impressive" because the organization sucks. Gardner was 6-6 in his first season, and then went 1-7 in his second as the actual starter. 

1 hour ago, MF POON said:

It does matter because as bad as Marrone was, he wasn't as unfit as Meyer. Lawrence could be playing much better under a different coach/system, so it's unfair to compare him and Minshew under two different situations. 

Also, it's funny how people use the state of that organization to fit whatever narrative they want to push.  When Foles couldn't succeed there, it was because he sucked, yet when Minshew failed it's somehow "impressive" because the organization sucks. Gardner was 6-6 in his first season, and then went 1-7 in his second as the actual starter. 

Yep - it's standard here. People think that 32 teams worth of scouts somehow missed something in Minshew's 20 + games so far and that's why the most the Jags could get was a 6th.

Hurts does have upside and was really effective in the few games before the Giants game. Let's see how he does these last 4.

1 hour ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Yep - it's standard here. People think that 32 teams worth of scouts somehow missed something in Minshew's 20 + games so far and that's why the most the Jags could get was a 6th.

Hurts does have upside and was really effective in the few games before the Giants game. Let's see how he does these last 4.

You mean he was effective in the games where he didn’t have to actually be a QB and they just ran the ball all game? I’m sorry if that doesn’t instill confidence in me for his long-term prospects. 

2 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Hurts does have upside and was really effective in the few games before the Giants game. Let's see how he does these last 4.

 

56 minutes ago, nipples said:

You mean he was effective in the games where he didn’t have to actually be a QB and they just ran the ball all game? I’m sorry if that doesn’t instill confidence in me for his long-term prospects. 

 

Yeah, he was really effective in those last 4 games when he averaged 19.5 attempts and 147.5 passing yards per game 

1 hour ago, nipples said:

You mean he was effective in the games where he didn’t have to actually be a QB and they just ran the ball all game? I’m sorry if that doesn’t instill confidence in me for his long-term prospects. 

 

54 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

 

Yeah, he was really effective in those last 4 games when he averaged 19.5 attempts and 147.5 passing yards per game 

Lol - you two and Hurts.

Yes he was very effective. He had the top QBR over 5 games and the offense moved the ball effectively and put up a lot of points. His running and threat of running was huge. He shredded the Broncos, the second best scoring D, in the first half to the point he didn't need to throw in the second. His best throw of that half was a perfect throw to Watkins that should have been a 34 yard touchdown.

He threw the ball well, showed a real improvement in accuracy and staying in the pocket. He converted on obvious passing downs with his arm and legs. He didn't rely on passing/running to the right as he did early in the season.

Now yes there are concerns about whether he can produce consistently if he needs to pass the ball more. Yes he was horrible against the Giants. Yes there are issues with his reading of the game and progressions.

But for somebody who was always viewed as a talented but developmental QB, he has shown improvement and growth. It might not be enough, but we shouldn't be writing him off yet and you two absolutely have.

22 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Yes he was very effective. He had the top QBR over 5 games

With the least pass attempts over those 5 games.  

 Even Mosher and Caplan finally admitted on their podcast what Jason Avant has been telling them since game 3, it’s not Hurts accuracy or arm strength that concerns him, it’s the fact he misses open pass catchers every game and a significant amount of them.  
 Whether it’s because he’s short, leaves clean pockets, or is afraid to make some throws, until Hurts fixes that issue with the QB coach he’s going to have a difficult time being a successful QB.   
 
 
 

2 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

Even Mosher and Caplan finally admitted on their podcast what Jason Avant has been telling them since game 3, it’s not Hurts accuracy or arm strength that concerns him, it’s the fact he misses open pass catchers every game and a significant amount of them.  

Well that's the thing... Hurts probably has a stronger arm than Minshew. But Minshew was taking the open guys. A couple of those catches were not good throws but they were accurate enough and the receiver was open. 

Minshew has a higher upside than Hurts, Hurts has actually been on an NFL field more than Minshew, though Minshew has more starts

Minshew ran the Hurts offense better than Hurts.  Thats really all I need to know, apples to apples on the same team, Minshew looked like an NFL QB and Hurts looks like a 1 read and run backup

38 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Well that's the thing... Hurts probably has a stronger arm than Minshew. But Minshew was taking the open guys. A couple of those catches were not good throws but they were accurate enough and the receiver was open. 

 

24 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Minshew has a higher upside than Hurts, Hurts has actually been on an NFL field more than Minshew, though Minshew has more starts

Minshew ran the Hurts offense better than Hurts.  Thats really all I need to know, apples to apples on the same team, Minshew looked like an NFL QB and Hurts looks like a 1 read and run backup

Come on - Minshew played well, but it was one game against the worst defense in the league who were preparing for a different QB. 

Minshew had wide open guys to throw to all day and his passes looked soft and were often underthrown. He is a baller and did well, but he has limited upside. As I've said before do you really think 32 teams scouts have all just missed how good he is?

His PFF rating for that one game is still lower than Hurts' PFF rating for the year.

1 hour ago, The Blackfish said:

 Even Mosher and Caplan finally admitted on their podcast what Jason Avant has been telling them since game 3, it’s not Hurts accuracy or arm strength that concerns him, it’s the fact he misses open pass catchers every game and a significant amount of them. 

I hope "misses open pass catchers" means he just doesn't see them otherwise what the difference between "misses open pass catchers" and accuracy?

2 hours ago, EagleVA said:

I hope "misses open pass catchers" means he just doesn't see them otherwise what the difference between "misses open pass catchers" and accuracy?

 Yes, that’s what Avant’s point was, he also didn’t have an issue with Minshew playing the rest of the season because of it. 
 Smith didn’t throw his helmet at the end of the Giants game because he didn’t get the pass that Reagor dropped, he threw it because  Hurts didn’t see him open a lot in that game, apparently lots of games. 

 

2 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

3 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

Come on - Minshew played well, but it was one game against the worst defense in the league who were preparing for a different QB. 

Minshew had wide open guys to throw to all day and his passes looked soft and were often underthrown. He is a baller and did well, but he has limited upside. As I've said before do you really think 32 teams scouts have all just missed how good he is?

His PFF rating for that one game is still lower than Hurts' PFF rating for the year.

PFF is a clown show

5 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

Lol - you two and Hurts.

Yes he was very effective. He had the top QBR over 5 games and the offense moved the ball effectively and put up a lot of points. His running and threat of running was huge. He shredded the Broncos, the second best scoring D, in the first half to the point he didn't need to throw in the second. His best throw of that half was a perfect throw to Watkins that should have been a 34 yard touchdown.

Meh... Look what happens to his QBR as the number of attempts increase...   Interestingly, the QBR is based on RUNNING as well as passing.

Meanwhile... his passer rating, which ignores rushing stats... it seems to be unaffected by the number of attempts.  What do you make of that?