Where do you stand on QB for 2022

[Vileborg]

Sadly, this run first offense would be good for Foles. I was always weirded out that we traded our super bowl MVP instead of Wentz. But i digress. They're giving Hurts a lot of room. If he spends the off season with a swing specialist he could be pretty good but its on him to do that. Wentz did it before the 2017 season and set the world on fire. We don't need that just a consistent competent passer. He doesn't have the arm to drive these balls in there so he's got to learn to always set his base and step through these throws. Against better dbs, these 40 yard rainbows are going go get picked.

[EazyEaglez]

2 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

For the keep Minshew crowd what round draft pick would it require for you to trade him?  I think it would have to be at least a 2nd round pick.  If you keep him then maybe he gets a contract from a QB desperate team that makes him a 3rd round compensatory pick or maybe something happens next season where Minshew is playing at some point and runs away with the job for the future.  For those reasons it must be a 2nd round pick.

I could see Howie doing a move for an incentive 3rd that if Minshew hit certain criteria it bumps to a 2nd. 

[BayAreaLennie]

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

I could see Howie doing a move for an incentive 3rd that if Minshew hit certain criteria it bumps to a 2nd. 

The Eagles traded a 6th rounder for Minshew, which means no other team in the league was willing to give up more than that for him.  It seems extraordinarily unlikely that a year later, after a season with one good start against a really bad team, that he would have increased his value to a 3rd that could turn into a 2nd.   That is just not an option even worth thinking about.

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15 hours ago, time2rock said:

I think we became a running team more because Hurts hasn’t yet developed his passing game enough to be successful … while I believe he has shown steady improvement he is still a work in progress.  A QB that is a legitimate passing threat and can use his legs the way Hurts can would be a tremendous boost.  Jury is still out on whether or not Hurts can become that kind of QB but I do agree he has shown enough to warrant further evaluation for another year.  It is going to be fun to watch him these next couple of weeks to see how he performs with the pressure of a postseason appearance on the line and in the playoffs if we are fortunate enough to make it.  

The Eagles have a pretty great run blocking offensive line, and that's a big advantage.  Even with 2/5 of the starters out,  the run blocking is still great.

Since the Eagles have that valuable thing,  it would be smart of them to continue to develop in that direction that allows them to get value from that asset they have. 

Hurts, great runner,  part of an offense that runs a lot, with a great run blocking oline.   That all makes sense. 

Stay the course,  run first offense with running QBs.   It's working.  Hurts is #10 QB on PFF.  There is no problem to fix - expensively - there is a foundation to build upon. 

The Eagles should have a running QB in the #3 spot currently filled by Reid Sinnett.  I don't see the point of him on the Eagles.  It would make sense on another team.   I'd like a fast running QB who might also be a kick or punt returner.   Day 3 or udfa.  D'eriq King, who Brian Johnson knows from Houston.  He'd be in the #3 QB spot.   I would think that the ideal backups for Hurts would be great at running and good enough at passing. 

The Eagles also have Greg Ward and Tyree Jackson, both of whom could be QBs.

I'd think about getting Willis from Liberty, too.  I'd expect that Hurts would be the starter in 2022 and 2023, with the cheap contract that he has for the next 2 years, and after that point, maybe Willis becomes the starter?  I just don't like paying QBs $40 Million a year. 

If the Eagles were to get Willis, I'd assume that they'd trade Minshew, Willis would be taking the #2 spot.  

The Eagles could / should be building a sustainable system with a qb room filled with running qbs on their rookie contracts or possibly affordable veterans.  Not looking for star qbs who cost a lot of money. 

 

[BayAreaLennie]

I am fine with Hurts and Minshew being the default -- Hurts has shown he is good enough to get them to the playoffs and Minshew seems like a very capable backup.

That does not mean that Howie should not be kicking the tires everywhere he can to get a proven veteran or a hotshot prospect ... but only if he can land one without giving up any significant draft capital.  But no Rodgers - too old.  And no Watson - too much baggage.  I am open to Wilson, but only if he comes extraordinarly cheap, like just their lowest 1st round pick, and I cannot see Seattle going for that.

As far as prospects go, the one that kind of intrigues me is Carson Strong if he falls to them in the 2nd -- but that might be because he is from my home town (Vacaville, CA).

 

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14 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

The one guy that intrigues me and I can't wait to watch against Bama today is Ridder.  As a late 1st rd pick he could be very interesting.

Ridder is an interesting choice and I think Willis from Liberty is even more interesting.  Physically,  Willis and Hurts are nearly identical.   All 3 are runners, but Ridder isn't really built to run,  tall and thin.   Willis also probably needs more time sitting, which works, because the idea is not to replace Hurts, as much as not resigning him after 2023.  Hurts should be good, and expensive, after 2023.  If he's too good,  and he might be too good,  Lamar is too good, the Eagles will be pretty much forced to keep him and spend $40 Million a year to keep him.   The Eagles have the oline, and should be able to sustain this with cheap QBs if the oline stays great at run blocking.  The Eagles,  saving a lot of money on QBs, could spend big on a great Running Back, or a series of great running backs.  The cupboard is always full of the best types of running backs that you'd want.   The great running backs that we're looking at now,  like Taylor and Henry, were available in the 2nd round.  Great oline,  great running back,  running QBs - cheap.  The Eagles have players to innovate with, now, can continue to get those players, often cheaply.   There are a lot of freak beast oliners on the Eagles.  Lane, ex QB and TE with a 4.72 40, which is close to running back speed.  Mailata ex pro rugby player.   Brooks ran 4.99 at 345 pounds. Was a basketball player.  I'm going to assume that all of them have something there to innovate with.  

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13 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I do think Howie explores the possibility of trading Minshew. After one start and beating the hapless Jets he’s barging into the coaches office thinking he should start well that could lead to unnecessary drama. If Howie could flip Minshew from a 6th to a 3rd he’d definitely do it. The only question is who would be the new backup. Dare we say another Nick Foles return? By the way a Foles return wouldn’t be so bad. We know that guy can win in relief, and the fan base mostly knows Foles can’t really be the guy. He’s also not the type to presume anything, and he’d be more than willing to help Hurts get better. He also wouldn’t cost all that much either. 

I agree.  I think the Eagles should have a whole bunch of running QBs,  but if there is one that isn't,  Foles would be the one. 

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5 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

I'm really excited for Hurts in the playoffs.  I can fully envision him having a big game passing and running all over the place.   

If the Eagles wanted to,  they could innovate big, with players they have, and win some games.  Hurts running all over the place sounds like a good part of that.   Hurts + 10 blockers. 

I've been paying attention to the Ravens.  When the Ravens go to the playoffs, they pass more, run less, make mistakes in the pass game, and lose.  They won 1 playoff game in the Lamar era, and that was a game where Lamar ran for a 50 yard TD.  Lamar is better than Jalen, but the Eagles Oline is better than the Ravens.  The Eagles have players they can be rolling out new run wrinkles that surprise the defense a bit and are just simply dominant.  

[EagleMatt]

Unless Rogers can be had for not an insane price, i roll with hurts next season and evaluate position after.

[UK_EaglesFan89]

56 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

I've been paying attention to the Ravens.  When the Ravens go to the playoffs, they pass more, run less, make mistakes in the pass game, and lose.  They won 1 playoff game in the Lamar era, and that was a game where Lamar ran for a 50 yard TD.  Lamar is better than Jalen, but the Eagles Oline is better than the Ravens.  The Eagles have players they can be rolling out new run wrinkles that surprise the defense a bit and are just simply dominant.  

That's interesting... So they go away from what gives them a chance and gives them wins in the regular season? When they have a QB who's not a pure passer. But do they do that because they fall behind in games? 

[Random Reglar]

42 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

That's interesting... So they go away from what gives them a chance and gives them wins in the regular season? When they have a QB who's not a pure passer. But do they do that because they fall behind in games? 

No, I don't think it's because they fall behind.  They just do it.  You can look at the play by play, and what you see is that the losses in 3 straight years are caused by mistakes in the pass game.  You see the Ravens throwing unnecessarily, making the occasional mistake which ends up hurting them. Might be an Int,  might be a sack.  

After the fact,  it was concluded that the Ravens oline was not up to the job at playoff time.  Apparently, the coaches might have concluded that the oline wasn't going to be good enough to work, so they passed.  But there really wasn't any real evidence that the run game didn't work.   There were just costly mistakes in the pass game.

I thought the Ravens should be unveiling fresh run options.  They never did,  just more passing.  The Eagles should unveil fresh run options.  However, if the Eagles are winning by running without the fresh run options, maybe they should hold onto them.   The Eagles should not lose in the playoffs without unveiling fresh run options.  

[Uscg-green]

Open competition next season. 

[EazyEaglez]

36 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

Open competition next season. 

Highly doubt there will be one at this point. Better chance that Hurts just plays poorly and is benched. 

[EazyEaglez]

8 hours ago, BayAreaLennie said:

The Eagles traded a 6th rounder for Minshew, which means no other team in the league was willing to give up more than that for him.  It seems extraordinarily unlikely that a year later, after a season with one good start against a really bad team, that he would have increased his value to a 3rd that could turn into a 2nd.   That is just not an option even worth thinking about.

Well some seem to think this guys is the greatest thing since sliced bread…. With that being the case I think there’s a better chance Howie moves Minshew for a higher pick than he trades for one of these quarterbacks. Howie loves to win the trade, and moving Minshew for more than he paid for him would be such a thing. 

[EazyEaglez]

6 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

I agree.  I think the Eagles should have a whole bunch of running QBs,  but if there is one that isn't,  Foles would be the one. 

I think versatility at the quarterback position helps more. With a running quarterback as the starter there’s always the potential for injury so having a backup who won’t be taking punishment as much would fit better. Foles isn’t exactly that guy though. He doesn’t get the ball out of his hands quickly and as such he takes punishing hits in the pocket. 

[Infam]

Happy to see people are reasonable.

A few posters with dozens of hate posts really skewed the perception for me. Glad that’s just a minority here.

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1 minute ago, Infam said:

Happy to see people are reasonable.

A few posters with dozens of hate posts really skewed the perception for me. Glad that’s just a minority here.

Yeah, 64 votes really answer the question

[Random Reglar]

35 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I think versatility at the quarterback position helps more. With a running quarterback as the starter there’s always the potential for injury so having a backup who won’t be taking punishment as much would fit better. Foles isn’t exactly that guy though. He doesn’t get the ball out of his hands quickly and as such he takes punishing hits in the pocket. 

I'd like all the QBs to be running QBs.  Able to play QB or return kicks, or do something else useful.   Foles can't do that. (Well, Philly special.)  Points off for that.  Foles gets big bonus points for - can win a Super Bowl, for the Eagles, as a backup.   Let's say that's generally magic powers.  I'd want Running QB 1 (Hurts),  then Running QBs 2,3,4,5,  and 4 and 5 might be Greg Ward and Tyree Jackson. Maybe 6 is Lane Johnson.  I'd rather have Foles than Minshew or Sinnett.

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On 12/30/2021 at 7:34 PM, GroundAttack said:

Hurts for 2022. Draft for defense with the 3 first rounders. 

I agree. Minshew should be the back-up but available for a trade any time someone offers a third round pick or higher. 

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3 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

I'd like all the QBs to be running QBs.  Able to play QB or return kicks, or do something else useful.   Foles can't do that. (Well, Philly special.)  Points off for that.  Foles gets big bonus points for - can win a Super Bowl, for the Eagles, as a backup.   Let's say that's generally magic powers.  I'd want Running QB 1 (Hurts),  then Running QBs 2,3,4,5,  and 4 and 5 might be Greg Ward and Tyree Jackson. Maybe 6 is Lane Johnson.  I'd rather have Foles than Minshew or Sinnett.

I think when they hike the ball everyone should just run - let the defense figure out who to tackle. I’m surprised Chip Kelly hasn’t come up with such a play.  

[Mortimer]

28 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Yeah, 64 votes really answer the question

I'd bet you'd say "case closed" if those votes aligned with your views on the subject.

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12 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

For the keep Minshew crowd what round draft pick would it require for you to trade him?  I think it would have to be at least a 2nd round pick.  If you keep him then maybe he gets a contract from a QB desperate team that makes him a 3rd round compensatory pick or maybe something happens next season where Minshew is playing at some point and runs away with the job for the future.  For those reasons it must be a 2nd round pick.

Why would we trade him at all ??  High end backups on rookie deals don’t fall off trees.  Or are you trying to have the worst backup and 3rd string QB to protect Hurts from competition ??

[EazyEaglez]

27 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

I'd like all the QBs to be running QBs.  Able to play QB or return kicks, or do something else useful.   Foles can't do that. (Well, Philly special.)  Points off for that.  Foles gets big bonus points for - can win a Super Bowl, for the Eagles, as a backup.   Let's say that's generally magic powers.  I'd want Running QB 1 (Hurts),  then Running QBs 2,3,4,5,  and 4 and 5 might be Greg Ward and Tyree Jackson. Maybe 6 is Lane Johnson.  I'd rather have Foles than Minshew or Sinnett.

Yeah I just don’t see the Eagles going to this style of play. I’m not sure of how the practice week is divided up, but having too many cooks could just create confusion. Ultimately you probably end up tricking yourself. Also Jackson and Ward are not NFL level quarterbacks. That’s why they were changed to begin with. So much movement you’re asking for mistakes and turnovers. Different quarterbacks also have different voice inflections. You could easily throw the offensive line off with a different guy making a new cadence. Overall having multiple quarterbacks who do multiple things isn’t going to get the outcome you’re looking for. It will just lead to more confusion. 

[xstonr]

I'm good with the QB situation for next year. Use the draft picks to strengthen up the D and probably trade one of the picks for a better picks next year.

[Random Reglar]

4 minutes ago, eggs said:

I think when they hike the ball everyone should just run - let the defense figure out who to tackle. I’m surprised Chip Kelly hasn’t come up with such a play.  

Yeah, something like that.   Running QBs and Oliners.  11 oliners w/ Lane Johnson as the QB.   Add running QBs, subtract from the 11 oliners.    All the oliners, whether they're playing oline or not, can throw the ball or run the ball.  Tackle around, Guard around Center around.  Hurts hands to Johnson on the Tackle around, who then stops and throws to Hurts downfield.  The Eagles have a lot of oliners with top athleticism and top versatility.  And they have a lot of running QBs, most not playing QB.  Other teams don't have this much of all that.  

who is this KJ Jefferson for Arkansas?  QB.  6'3 245.  On the Outback Bowl right now. 168.7 passer rating this year.   6'3 245 is Big Back / Fullback sized, and the Eagles should have one of those.  554 rushing yards this year.  Not in the draft, but maybe in the future.