Just now, greend said:

I think so

Me too....but....I'm not at all confident that Lowie will allow that

31 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

In a passing league, I’m not sure how you don’t prioritize offensive weapons. 
 

admittedly though, I’d feel a whole lot better if we had what I thought was a competent QB. but if it takes checking the WR box a year early to prove that one either way, I can deal. 
 

no more blaming anyone other than Hurts if it doesn’t come together this year. 

The huggers will always blame someone else. Next up Siri's play calling

Wish we had more ammo to move up for Nakobe Dean in round 2.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I should have known.  My bad.  I'll do better.  I have only one cup of coffee and one poop so far this morning.  

Lol it's all good since i had to tell E-e and I.P. as well. Maybe a reflection of my post but even i wouldn't stoop that low. Howie just cant pick WRs 😢

I gotta give Howie credit. He realized he's not the best at drafting receivers. So he didn't. He got creative and got a proven one. 

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah.  That Pickett dinner was a little scary.  No doubt.  

Watch out.  ToastJenkins is going to throw a hissy fit.  He did research!!!!  

Settle down, you grumpy crank

there no chance you do your homework like some of us here. So like i said to bacarty. Sit back, relax, listen and maybe learn something

37 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

You'd have to think that we'll be seeing much more of the pass happy offense from early last year again. The question is, how long is Hurts leash? If he struggles the first, 4 games lets say, does he get yanked and it's Minshew time? 

Watch Minshew get traded for a 4th round pick.....

3 minutes ago, Damanick10 said:

Wish we had more ammo to move up for Nakobe Dean in round 2.

what and waste valuable 6th round draft picks?

2 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

I gotta give Howie credit. He realized he's not the best at drafting receivers. So he didn't. He got creative and got a proven one. 

What did it cost?

34 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

he keeps saying all the same stuff I said. He allows you to commit more to coverage, helping us improve there. And he improves the run D immensely all by himself. 

It is unbelievable that this guy was still available at pick 13. He is a foundational piece of the defense, day 1. We will need to wait and see just how good he can become before I can say a generational player, but he is a foundational piece of the defense and that potential is there. Incredible pick. 

Hes 21. Athletic as hell. It cant be that hard to develop a few pass rush moves. But that may not be the goal here anyway. It looks like we are heading towards the way Georgia played defense. Stop the run with 4-5 guys and let the rest cover. Got the fast coverage backer in White, like Dean. Got the massive NT. Got the other good run playing DLs, just like Trayvon Walker didnt have big sack production. Thats how Sweat is being deployed. That is the defense we are trying to run.

Derrick Brown went 8th overall I believe. We were in a weak draft at the top and somehow went much lower. Pretty odd. 

2 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

I gotta give Howie credit. He realized he's not the best at drafting receivers. So he didn't. He got creative and got a proven one. 

Yup, good thing were drafting Howell, Willis, or Ridder today. Board will definitely crash again..

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

What did it cost?

First and a third. Look around. That's what you pay to get a one these days. Actually we got off a little easy IMO. Basically giving up a third to get a proven WR instead of a gamble at 18. 

3 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

I gotta give Howie credit. He realized he's not the best at drafting receivers. So he didn't. He got creative and got a proven one. 

Yep. People will continue killing Howie for going big for a WR and that he isn’t learning, but it’s an acknowledgment that he can’t draft the position for S. Fix it with a proven talent and be done with it. 

 The kid might be fine as a pass rusher, if he can keep his weight around 325-330 he’s gonna get more snaps. Georgia’s D Line and Nakobe Dean were playing to contain the pocket and set the edge (Walker) more than they were blitzing.   
 Walker going before Dean was a huge reach, Dean was the leader on defense and got everyone in the right position, when someone  messed up it wasn’t Kirby Smart they had to deal with, it was Dean.  

 

 

Just now, ManuManu said:

Yep. People will continue killing Howie for going big for a WR and that he isn’t learning, but it’s an acknowledgment that he can’t draft the position for S. Fix it with a proven talent and be done with it. 

And people say we "gave up to much". They don't realize we were going wr there anyway. So basically we gave up a third to get a sure thing instead of a gamble. Well worth it. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

Yep. People will continue killing Howie for going big for a WR and that he isn’t learning, but it’s an acknowledgment that he can’t draft the position for S. Fix it with a proven talent and be done with it. 

What about Safety?  FS.

Best case scenario would be if we win 9-10 games this year, hurts is better than last year and the receiving core makes him look better than he is, and then we trade him for a 3rd next year to team who might believe. 

16 minutes ago, greend said:

It worked in 2017. Collapse that pocket baby. That said the draft isn't over is it?

It is not.  But, it hasn't worked much, and you have to admit, it is going against the grain a bit investing heavy at DT.   BUT... it is year 2 of a new scheme.... and going 0 tech, with 2 4is means needing more DT types.   Just takes a little time to get used to, I guess.   I need to think more in terms of 3-4 than 4-3. 

 

I'm not upset with this process so far.  I am upset with bringing Cox back, just as much as I was when they did it.  Hopefully there will be some more shoes to drop.  And there are a lot of good players left.  Sadly, they have fewer picks to do it with.   Happily, they didn't trade away 83 to get Brown.  But, for those poo-pooing the use of the 4th and 5th round picks they traded away... ironically some of those same folks were saying that UDFAs this year would be 5th or 6th round picks in a 'normal' draft.  But, of course, if that logic holds, then a 4th or 5th this year would also be a round or two higher in value as well, wouldn't it?  So, that 4th round pick could be valued at roughly a top of Round 3 type player... Round 5 picks might be in the comp pick Round 3 area... or early in Round 4.   Those aren't throwaway picks.  

But... we all knew that Howie wasn't going to be selecting 11 players in this draft.  I was expecting closer to 8.  We'll see if he can find a way to get a few more picks, or to move up after specific targets with these 'expendable' pieces we desperately want to unload.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You’re cute.  Let me know when you wanna make an avatar bet.  I can add you to the growing list.  Or you can disappear.  Like usual.  

Serious question. Are avatars that important to you? I couldn’t care less about them. And no, I’m not saying that because you will probably be picking mine soon. 

Some quick thoughts.

-- With 2 first round picks, the Eagles acquired a transformational player on both defense and offense. I get the concern about the lack of day 3 picks and the $ for Brown, but the Eagles just got Jordan Davis and AJ Brown for goodness sake.

-- Natural comparison to the Eagles utilization of their 2009 1st round picks. Jeremy Maclin and Jason Peters. One stud prospect, one stud young veteran coming off a contract dispute with another team.

-- Like 2009, I hope the Eagles target a potential game changer in the 2nd rather than move down and recoup day 3 picks. Mafe, Bonitto, or Gordon would be fantastic.

19 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah.  That Pickett dinner was a little scary.  No doubt.  

That Pickett dinner was all about Lucas Krull.  Mark it down.  Lucas Kroll in Round 5... maybe with a trade up.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Of course not.  But what else are you going to bet?  Money?  It's all in fun.  If you wanna back out, you surely can.  

 

I just enjoy getting hated on by people who disagree with my opinions and come after me and then shutting them up.  No offense....but yeah.  

I don’t back out of anything. You will win this one and next year we will have another one. This time when he is healthy. We will see how that one goes. 

6 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Best case scenario would be if we win 9-10 games this year, hurts is better than last year and the receiving core makes him look better than he is, and then we trade him for a 3rd next year to team who might believe. 

And Saints win 6 games 

People get too enamored with sacks.

The reason a DT like Davis can be more valuable than a rush end is the short passing game - most passing plays you're not going to get to the QB (good QBs get sacked twice a game), but if you can push the pocket and get your hands up, you can either move the QB (make him uncomfortable) or block the pass over the middle (take away crossing routes). He doesn't have to get a bunch of sacks to impact the passing game, he needs to dominate one on one blocking, push double teams to squeeze the pocket, free up the "3", and get his arms up. Take away some of those easy completions and you get teams into 3rd and long situations.

The other thing both Davis and Williams bring is when plays break down and QBs scramble, they can run away from DTs - but not these two!