25 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Carson Strong has a Jay Cutler vibe to him.  And not just skillset.  

Lol…if that’s true, that’s not good

Mathieu should’ve been signed. Big mistake.

1 hour ago, justrelax said:

Of course he is. The UDFA contract is for three years. They can be patient and monitor the knee. And he can hold the clipboard and learn the system. It's a perfect situation for him.

BTW, @RememberTheKoy, Strong is getting the highest pay of any UDFA this year and your guy is the 53rd highest paid QB in the NFL. Just saying.

 

Just saying? What are you trying to say?  If Strong makes the roster he will be the lowest paid QB or one of the lowest paid QBs in the league. 

4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

I'm loving this by the way because I won't ever let this down in the future when this kid is eventually cut or spends his entire time here at the bottom of the depth chart.  There is 0.0 chance the Eagles would ever decide to go with Strong as their starting QB.  The fact that a high number of people in this thread are so over the top delusional to actually believe that is possible is rolling on the floor hilarious. 

Never say never. Kurt Warner was 3rd on the Ram depth chart.

He was signed by the Green Bay Packers in 1994, but released before the regular season and instead played three seasons for the Iowa Barnstormers of the Arena Football League (AFL). In December 1997 after the St. Louis Rams' season ended, Warner signed a futures contract with the team. In February 1998, he was allocated to NFL Europe to play for the Amsterdam Admirals, where he led the league in touchdowns and passing yards.His backup at the time was future Carolina Panthers quarterback Jake Delhomme.

Warner landed his first NFL roster spot in 1998 with the Rams. The Rams let Bono leave in free agency and signed Trent Green to be the starter. Banks was traded to the Ravens, and Warner now found himself second on the depth chart. After Green suffered a torn ACL via a low hit by Rodney Harrison in a preseason game, Rams coach Dick Vermeil named Warner as the Rams' starter. During his first season as an NFL starting quarterback, Warner led The Greatest Show on Turf offense to the Rams' first Super Bowl title in Super Bowl XXXIV, earning him league and Super Bowl MVP honors. He won his second league MVP award in 2001, en route to a Super Bowl XXXVI appearance, and also appeared in Super Bowl XLIII with the Cardinals.

Get the feeling that the Eagles will trade for a safety that no one saw coming.

21 minutes ago, austinfan said:

How many "running QBs' have been starters? I don't mean a guy who can scramble, but someone who's a legitimate threat to take off at any time.

 

When Running QB's start winning the majority of Superbowls (To date they are are all 0-fers)  thats when I will get on board with having a running QB as QB1. The next running qb to win a Superbowl will be the first.

Why they have been blanked to date?:  When you get to the playoffs you are playing much better teams, and somewhere along the line you will have to play a team who can take away the running lanes of a QB and stuff the run game in general and force a running qb to have to beat them throwing the ball. We saw that this year with Hurts vs Tampa.  Add to that the game today is set up for the passing game .  So unless you have a defense for the decades which can hold good opponents to under 13 points/game, the odds are against a team with a Running QB winning it all, let alone it becoming the norm. 

So our only "real" chance with Hurts is that he progresses into having decent to good pocket passing ability, with out that you are literally trying to catch lightning in a bottle. My problem is that he has shown little evidence of being able to do that. So I believe those who think he will/can are just wishcasting. 

And dont give me garbage time stats when defenses play prevent and he racks up all kinds of stats. Thats BS. 

 

 

1 minute ago, Texas Eagle said:

Mathieu should’ve been signed. Big mistake.

Typical fan take - Mathieu is from NO, he's going home to end his career - doubt Howie had much chance to compete without a gross overpay.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Did he sign somewhere else?

Expected to sign with Saints per Rapoport

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Typical fan take - Mathieu is from NO, he's going home to end his career - doubt Howie had much chance to compete without a gross overpay.

Howie letting him go there of all places makes it more of a mistake. We had a need and we don’t need the Saints getting any better.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I saw that it was rumored.  Nothing definite.  

 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I saw that it was rumored.  Nothing definite.  

Pretty close to definite now. 'Expected'

6 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Why not option 3?  Because this isn't a team that is years away from contending, in need of an entire tear down and rebuild and doesn't have any assets to make a move for a top prospect QB if need be.  They are nowhere near the position of being so desperate that they would turn to an undrafted QB with a paper mache knee. The knee is a career long concern.  He apparently completely bombed his team interviews as well and didn't come off as very knowledgeable. If the Eagles move on from Hurts after this year it will be with a top prospect QB in mind that they target and move up for in the draft. 

 

I'm loving this by the way because I won't ever let this down in the future when this kid is eventually cut or spends his entire time here at the bottom of the depth chart.  There is 0.0 chance the Eagles would ever decide to go with Strong as their starting QB.  The fact that a high number of people in this thread are so over the top delusional to actually believe that is possible is rolling on the floor hilarious. 

No one has anointed him, you're the only one dealing in absolutes.

Every body else including me is making projections based on his arm talent.

That you are stubbornly sticking to your opinion as an Absolute fact isn't a Surprise.

 

18 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

After that draft and AJ Brown this team is officially one that can maybe make some noise in the NFC if they can do something to bring in some starting level talent in at #2 CB and Safety before the start of the season. 

That means they need a backup they are comfortable with stepping late season or playoffs if the starter goes down. Only way Minshew is gone now in a trade is if a team gets desperate due to injury and is offering a 1 or 2, or the Eagles sign Foles.  They are not leaving that role to a rookie UFA QB, especially one with major concern over his knee. 

How far was Tom Brady from being an UFA? 2 rounds? Tony Romo - yes he was the 'enemy' but he was a better QB than our current QB1and he was a UFA. Kurt Warner is another example. I just hope the Eagles - unlike you - don't view Hurts as The Anointed One. Give everybody a reasonable look in camp. If Hurts is easily the best passer in preseason, so much the better. Hurts is going to start in all likelihood but if this year is a near repeat of last, maybe consider trying one of the alternatives.

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

When Running QB's start winning the majority of Superbowls (To date they are are all 0-fers)  thats when I will get on board with hvaing a running QB as QB1. The next running qb to win a Superbowl will be the first.

Why they have been blanked to date?:  When you get to the playoffs you are playing much better teams, and somewhere along the line you will have to play a team who can take away the running lanes of a QB and stuff the run game in general and force a running qb to have to beat them throwing the ball. We saw that this year with Hurts vs Tampa.  Add to that the game today is set up for the passing game .  So unless you have a defense for the decades which can hold good opponents to under 13 points/game, the odds are against a team with a Running QB winning it all, let alone it becoming the norm. 

So our only "real" chance with Hurts is that he progresses into having decent to good pocket passing ability, with out that you are literally trying to catch lightning in a bottle. My problem is that he has shown little evidence of being able to do that. So I believe those who think he will/can are just wishcasting. 

And dont give me garbage time stats when defenses play prevent and he racks up all kinds of stats. Thats BS.

Steve Young is in the top 5 all time in running yardage for a QB, and he sat on the bench behind Montana for four years. Only started 8 seasons. So is he a "running QB?"

McNabb got to the SB, Vick to the championship, Allen to the SB. Wiilson won and lost a SB (lost one by passing instead of running!).

Given the small number of running QBs, that's a pretty good showing.

35 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Been saying it for months and got called a hater and a hot take. 

AJ brown is here for 4 years, and I think D. smith has 4 left too. 

With Hurts, this year, there both wasted. probably gonna have 400-450 attempts. split between those 2, Goedert and our backfield no ones happy.

Year 2, either with a rookie(who has to learn) or Hurts again, but same thing. not enough attempts to go around.

I'm guessing some where mid year 2 one, if not both freak out because they're literally being wasted. 

 

if @4for4EaglesNest is right and Hurts is out for a couple of games due to injury, they will suddenly have more production. 

As it is now, Aj Brown's production will be down this year. IT will look like he is not as good as he is. And the media/some fans will blame AJ Brown and ask was he over rated etc....  

31 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Carson Strong has a Jay Cutler vibe to him.  And not just skillset.  

Million dollar arm, 10 cent brain and diabetes?

1 hour ago, CouchKing said:

Love the enthusiasm.

We need to add some free agents to CB S DE.

Not sure what money we have left after trade and extend of AJ Brown.

We currently have eight CBs and five safeties on the roster.  How many more do you want?

Eagles obviously have a multi-year plan and that has everything to do with not really believing in the QB.  If they were sure they had a QB they'd be more aggressive in filling all roster holes.

38 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Carson Strong has a Jay Cutler vibe to him.  And not just skillset.  

Looks like a trust fund jerk with a punchable face?

30 minutes ago, austinfan said:

How many "running QBs' have been starters? I don't mean a guy who can scramble, but someone who's a legitimate threat to take off at any time.

Right now there's Jackson, Hurts, Allen (763 yards), Murray, who else? Before the last couple years, running QBs were rare.

In the past, there's usually only been 1 or 2 in the league at one time. Given Brady dominates the SB, there's limited opportunities for other passing QBs, much less "running QBs."

QB rushing leaders

Vick 6,109

Newton 5,628

Cunningham 4,928

Wilson 4,689

Young 4,239

Because there are so few running QBs (as opposed to backups who can run but can't pass well enough to start), defenses aren't really prepared to stop them. The key is to find the balance between passing and running where you use the threat to run to freeze the defense, then take advantage of that to boost your passing game.

Hurts can impact defenses four ways,

1) the threat to run, especially the RPO or option, freezes the DE on run plays, helping the run game. DEs crashing down the LOS can make a lot of TFLs.

2) the threat to scramble/roll out causes teams to mush rush and/or use a spy.

3) the ability to buy time when protection breaks down, but this requires WRs who know how to run a scramble drill

4) running the ball on pass plays, whether QB draws or seeing open lanes against man defenses (open space) and picking up easy 1st downs

Running can't substitute for passing, rather, they're complementary. Hurts has to up his passing game, but he doesn't have to be elite, b/c his running adds significant value, if he's a top ten passer, he's a top five QB. Hitting those throws down the seam keeps the defense from crowding the LOS, running forces the defense to play it safe.

None of the four ways seems to be passing, however. You just said it yourself.

3 minutes ago, justrelax said:

We currently have eight CBs and five safeties on the roster.  How many more do you want?

Means absolutely nothing. You cant just throw a bunch of camp bodies at it and hope one sticks.

8 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Steve Young is in the top 5 all time in running yardage for a QB, and he sat on the bench behind Montana for four years. Only started 8 seasons. So is he a "running QB?"

McNabb got to the SB, Vick to the championship, Allen to the SB. Wiilson won and lost a SB (lost one by passing instead of running!).

Given the small number of running QBs, that's a pretty good showing.

When Steve young won a SB, he was not a running qb, he was a QB who could run.  When you can play and win from the pocket, but can also run if needed, you are not a running QB.  McNabb and Wilson could play and win from the pocket.

Vick,  was a perfect example of a running qb, and yup, could never get past the team who could take away his run lanes in the playoffs.  Cunningham also in his younger years. Lamar today, Kaepernak, Kyler Murray, RGIII etc.... 

This really isn't debateable- Running qb's will eventually get beaten in the playoffs by a team who can take away their running lanes and force them to stay in the pocket.  History has shown us that.  A running qb will take you only so far, and if he cant learn to win from the pocket, then  he is doomed to a shortlived career.

 

 

8 minutes ago, justrelax said:

We currently have eight CBs and five safeties on the roster.  How many more do you want?

We just need a couple good players.

We need a quarter. Not a handful of nickels.

I see we picked up 3 UDFA CBs. Maybe someone steps up.

Honey Badger is signing with the Saints.

C'mon Howie. Get some players.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah. That post wasn't becoming of a "pillar".  

What’s a pillar lol

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Steve Young is in the top 5 all time in running yardage for a QB, and he sat on the bench behind Montana for four years. Only started 8 seasons. So is he a "running QB?"

McNabb got to the SB, Vick to the championship, Allen to the SB. Wiilson won and lost a SB (lost one by passing instead of running!).

Given the small number of running QBs, that's a pretty good showing.

Steve Young was not a run first QB. Neither was McNabb by the time he got to the SB. Vick was shut down by our D exactly because they knew he couldn't beat them with his poor football IQ; and Allen to the SB? When did that happen?

Finally, Wilson is also not a run first QB. He buys a lot of time behind a terrible o-line by scrambling around, but he usually ends up throwing the ball instead of running. 

The fact is, no run first QB has won anything of note in the NFL. And it's not taking examples from 30, 40 years ago....there's enough run first guys now (Lamar, our own Hurts, Newton) that show the run first QB has a definitive ceiling, and it's not a Super Bowl winning ceiling.