54 minutes ago, DoWorx said:

I like the Price pick. He could be a committee back with the ability to play all three downs if needed. 

Good power and speed and can contribute in the passing game. 

30 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yes

Good answer.  Good answer.

 

40 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

What's less likely, the Eagles taking a LB at 15 or Jalen Hurts turning into Dak Prescott next season?

Yeah what sucks is our franchise QB’s ceiling isn’t even Dak Prescott 

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Yeah, we gonna get the next Allen or Mahomes, I mean it's not like people miss on QBs taken in the first round, especially if you trade up to the top 10. Never happens.

The irony is that 85ish% of people said Josh Allen would bust and well over half said the same about Mahomes.

6 minutes ago, SB52 said:

The irony is that 85ish% of people said Josh Allen would bust and well over half said the same about Mahomes.

And 99.9% said WTF to the Hurts pick, and still do. What’s your point?

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I think it means more than even Williams.  From everything I've heard, Williams had a 'straight forward' ACL.  The NFL knows all about that, but apparently Strong has some extra intrigue with his knee.

Going off memory here, Strong injured his knee before his SR year of HS and at the time they put in dissolvable screws and only worked with his existing tissue.  He's had his knee scoped and cleaned out since and back in February of 2021 finally got the surgery where they put in cadaver tissue to replace his damaged tissue.  He was supposed to sit out at least 10 months, but started the season only about 6 months after the surgery.  So he was playing while his knee was still healing and not near 100%.  The reports are he should be fine from here on out that he's gotten the appropriate surgery to fix his knee.  I would still sit him for his rookie season, get him in a program to gain strength and flexibility in that knee while working on his mechanics and film study and he'd be ready to go in 2023.  What could happen is some desperate team drafts him and starts him this season and ruins him as we've seen all too many times in the NFL.  Very few rookie QBs swim instead of sink.  FFS, Mahomes sat for his first season.  Some can handle it and some can't.  Better safe than sorry.  If he shows well in the Senior Bowl and Combine and his knee is medically cleared he won't make it to our #15.  He's the most NFL ready QB in this draft with his ability to call protections and audible and has the best arm.  If he fell to our first pick I'd draft him, trade Hurts, and roll with Minshew for 2022 and then Strong is the guy in 2023.  He'll get more mobility back the further he gets from his surgery.  He was supposedly a good HS basketball player so he has enough athletic ability.

 

10 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

And 99.9% said WTF to the Hurts pick, and still do. What’s your point?

His examples of great success in the previous overstatement were two guys most people thought would bust.

I responded with my point:

The irony is that 85ish% of people said Josh Allen would bust and well over half said the same about Mahomes.

11 minutes ago, SB52 said:

His examples of great success in the previous overstatement were two guys most people thought would bust.

I responded with my point:

The irony is that 85ish% of people said Josh Allen would bust and well over half said the same about Mahomes.

Commmmpletely misread that exchange.   My bad. Just spent a couple hours watching some Strong and Ridder games. I’m becoming a fan of both. @Green_Guinness good point on his readiness. Definitely has a lot of control presnap, and Ridder had more than I realized as well. 

1 minute ago, Outlaw said:

Commmmpletely misread that exchange.   My bad. Just spent a couple hours watching some Strong and Ridder games. I’m becoming a fan of both. @Green_Guinness good point on his readiness. Definitely has a lot of control presnap, and Ridder had more than I realized as well. 

Welcome to the Ridder fan club. T shirt is coming in the mail lol. 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Welcome to the Ridder fan club. T shirt is coming in the mail lol. 

I’ve been a fan of his and been touting him for a bit. His biggest issue is inconsistency. He will thread the needle with major zip 25 yds down the field in traffic, then sail a ball over his RBs head in the flat. But, I like his size, arm strength, athletic ability and the fact he got the Bearcats in the CFP. Kid has talent, but like Strong…he needs to sit a year. 

18 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

I’ve been a fan of his and been touting him for a bit. His biggest issue is inconsistency. He will thread the needle with major zip 25 yds down the field in traffic, then sail a ball over his RBs head in the flat. But, I like his size, arm strength, athletic ability and the fact he got the Bearcats in the CFP. Kid has talent, but like Strong…he needs to sit a year. 

I’ve been a fan of him since before the college season. I was intrigued and watched almost every bearcats game. For a lot of the things that you said. My whole thing with him has been his ceiling is that of a Josh Allen lite (he’s never going to be as good as josh Allen) because of everything he could do and he doesn’t have as good as arm Josh Allen but he has a good arm. The thing with him coming out is his inconsistencies in mechanics and inaccuracy. It’s why i think he’s got a huge ceiling if he reaches it but also likely the lowest floor of the top QBs.  Better have your daboll in place cause he’s going to need it and likely 2 years to get there  

I was a big Josh Allen guy coming out. But like a lot of on here knew he was a huge boom or bust prospect. It’s kind of why I liked it for Buffalo. I also think the transition from Wyoming to Buffalo was a nice secondary factor as compared to a bigger market. However because Josh Allen is so good now I think we tend to forget when he was coming out of college he had some games that you were like WTF and questioning if he was a top 15 pick in the draft. His last season at Wyoming he was awful against Iowa, Oregon and Boise State. The three best teams he faced he completed 48% of his passes (43-91) with 1 passing td and 5 picks. Some of that was lack of talent around him and some he was just not good.

I can see a team at the end of the first round doing something similar to what Baltimore did with Lamar Jackson. Trying to get into the 28 to 32 range so they can get the 5th year option on him. I think he’s more of a second round pick 

 

5 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

I’ve been a fan of his and been touting him for a bit. His biggest issue is inconsistency. He will thread the needle with major zip 25 yds down the field in traffic, then sail a ball over his RBs head in the flat. But, I like his size, arm strength, athletic ability and the fact he got the Bearcats in the CFP. Kid has talent, but like Strong…he needs to sit a year. 

They ALL need to sit a year.  Too many times teams draft a QB and then throw him into the deep end of swiftly moving river.  They don't think LONG term and really developing their investment.  They expect a rookie QB to play great behind an ishy OL and with a lack of skill players.  Wash, rinse, repeat stupidity from NFL GMs/owners who are desperate for a winning season.  KC was right sitting Mahomes for a year, BUF was lucky Allen eventually swam instead of sunk (got him the right OC and eventually weapons) and CIN got Burrow skill weapons to help him (Though they desperately need to get him an OL before he gets murdered, already had major knee injury).

Strong is my guy.  He can make NFL level throws, call out protections and make audibles, and throw with anticipation and throw receivers open even downfield.  He trusts his arm and ability unlike a certain QB we have on the roster who sees Watkins getting open for a TD in a playoff game and can't pull the trigger because he doesn't trust himself and then runs from phantom pressure to his wrong side and makes a crappy pass that gets knocked down before it gets to the receiver.

Ridder, IMO, is at least a TWO year project, while Strong should be ready to rock'n'roll in 2023.  My fear now is his knee checks out and he does well in the Senior Bowl and Combine and end up going Top 10.

Stuck with Hurts?  Avant dropping truth bombs about the QB situation and where it stands.  Hater!

 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’ve been a fan of him since before the college season. I was intrigued and watched almost every bearcats game. For a lot of the things that you said. My whole thing with him has been his ceiling is that of a Josh Allen lite (he’s never going to be as good as josh Allen) because of everything he could do and he doesn’t have as good as arm Josh Allen but he has a good arm. The thing with him coming out is his inconsistencies in mechanics and inaccuracy. It’s why i think he’s got a huge ceiling if he reaches it but also likely the lowest floor of the top QBs.  Better have your daboll in place cause he’s going to need it and likely 2 years to get there  

I was a big Josh Allen guy coming out. But like a lot of on here knew he was a huge boom or bust prospect. It’s kind of why I liked it for Buffalo. I also think the transition from Wyoming to Buffalo was a nice secondary factor as compared to a bigger market. However because Josh Allen is so good now I think we tend to forget when he was coming out of college he had some games that you were like WTF and questioning if he was a top 15 pick in the draft. His last season at Wyoming he was awful against Iowa, Oregon and Boise State. The three best teams he faced he completed 48% of his passes (43-91) with 1 passing td and 5 picks. Some of that was lack of talent around him and some he was just not good.

I can see a team at the end of the first round doing something similar to what Baltimore did with Lamar Jackson. Trying to get into the 28 to 32 range so they can get the 5th year option on him. I think he’s more of a second round pick 

 

I agree. He’s a second rounder but will most likely go at the bottom of the first to a high second round team who moves up to get that 5th year option. 

5 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

They ALL need to sit a year.  Too many times teams draft a QB and then throw him into the deep end of swiftly moving river.  They don't think LONG term and really developing their investment.  They expect a rookie QB to play great behind an ishy OL and with a lack of skill players.  Wash, rinse, repeat stupidity from NFL GMs/owners who are desperate for a winning season.  KC was right sitting Mahomes for a year, BUF was lucky Allen eventually swam instead of sunk (got him the right OC and eventually weapons) and CIN got Burrow skill weapons to help him (Though they desperately need to get him an OL before he gets murdered, already had major knee injury).

Strong is my guy.  He can make NFL level throws, call out protections and make audibles, and throw with anticipation and throw receivers open even downfield.  He trusts his arm and ability unlike a certain QB we have on the roster who sees Watkins getting open for a TD in a playoff game and can't pull the trigger because he doesn't trust himself and then runs from phantom pressure to his wrong side and makes a crappy pass that gets knocked down before it gets to the receiver.

Ridder, IMO, is at least a TWO year project, while Strong should be ready to rock'n'roll in 2023.  My fear now is his knee checks out and he does well in the Senior Bowl and Combine and end up going Top 10.

I’m liking Strong a lot more after sitting down and watching the better part of three halves of him playing QB. He needs a year, but I agree he’s the most pro ready QB in the draft. The fear of him rising is completely justified. I do disagree that Ridder is two years. One is enough, then it’s sink or swim time. 

20 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

I agree. He’s a second rounder but will most likely go at the bottom of the first to a high second round team who moves up to get that 5th year option. 

I’m liking Strong a lot more after sitting down and watching the better part of three halves of him playing QB. He needs a year, but I agree he’s the most pro ready QB in the draft. The fear of him rising is completely justified. I do disagree that Ridder is two years. One is enough, then it’s sink or swim time. 

Look at that we agree on a QB   I think he'll end up going top 12 when it's all said and done. Shame because I think he'll end up being the best of the class.

3 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I think it means more than even Williams.  From everything I've heard, Williams had a 'straight forward' ACL.  The NFL knows all about that, but apparently Strong has some extra intrigue with his knee.

Problem with complex knee injuries is longevity, even if he gets back to 100% in the short-run, a lot of those injuries lead to complications after a few years.

Need some really good doctors evaluating that knee.

I'm skeptical of QBs who suddenly become flavors of the month after the college season - it's not like there's new film, just people wishing on a star.

3 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

   Sure.   Teams miss on Qbs in the top 10 all the time.   But... top 10 Qbs can also hit... like Mahomes and Allen.   And IIRC, Andy traded up to get Mahomes.   So, the antithesis of your condescension actually happens as well.   

 

I guess if you were running a team, you'd never draft a QB in the first round.  Just isn't smart.  Much better to draft every QB in the 6th round.  That seems to be where the value can be found.

I wouldn't reach for a QB just to have a "passer," there's a long list of flops who looked great passing in college and the senior bowl, but melted in the face of NFL defenses.

If I don't think there's either a "sure thing" or great value pick, I pass. You can always find mediocre, middle of the pack QBs (Hurts is already around #20, and with improvement, could be #15 next season).

6 hours ago, Outlaw said:

Speeeeeeeeeeeed

 

Speed matters a bit less in CBs than fluid hips and instincts if they continue to play zone but it matters more with slower Ss.  Both Epps and Wallace are 4.5+ guys. Mayden is fast but his instincts and angles are not great.  Vincent is also fast but undersized as a S.  College football allows so much grabbing and contact that speed and fluidity are significant measurables to consider for CBs coming out because the NFL is a different game for secondary.  None of us since NDIrish (Matt Alkire) left - I recommend following him on Twitter for his film cuts and his website https://jetrolot.com - gets all 22 film from college ball and have to rely on what TV offers of coverage. Harder to see the coverages and pre throw contact with TV coverage.  BTW, Matt loves Elam.  The athleticism is there.  I just wonder about his instincts and film discipline.  

6 hours ago, austinfan said:

Raises an interesting question. Kelce struggles with Vea b/c of his power.

Seumalo is sorta of a compromise, about 310 lbs, more able to hold his on but won't give you the same 2nd level movement (who will?).

Dickerson would be the power center, he's so strong he can stalmate and even move a NT like Vea.

Wonder if you trained a couple guys at center, would you pursue matchups against teams with extreme NTs.

Seumalo certainly can anchor in a C stance.  

5 hours ago, austinfan said:

I wouldn't reach for a QB just to have a "passer," there's a long list of flops who looked great passing in college and the senior bowl, but melted in the face of NFL defenses.

If I don't think there's either a "sure thing" or great value pick, I pass. You can always find mediocre, middle of the pack QBs (Hurts is already around #20, and with improvement, could be #15 next season).

Who was ever a 'sure thing' coming out of the draft?

 

And I'm going to push back hard on the Hurts is already around #20 thing.  He's only #20 if you consider his running... and as you pointed out with the injury thing... that means limited longevity.  Hurts is closer to #30 if you go by his pure passing ability.   Yes, the running adds something... but it doesn't make up for the lack of passing when it actually matters most, like when the team is losing or in the playoffs.   Could Jalen Hurts have lead either drives that we saw from Mahomes or Allen in the end of the 4th quarter?   I don't think so. 

5 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Seumalo certainly can anchor in a C stance.  

It was when Stout put him in a C stance that he really started to blossom at OG.  Credit to @justrelax for that observation.

6 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Look at that we agree on a QB   I think he'll end up going top 12 when it's all said and done. Shame because I think he'll end up being the best of the class.

I guess Gannon wasn’t has impressive as Albright said , he just makes stuff up

 

According to a report made by Mike Klis of 9News from Monday morning, the Denver Broncos and general manager George Paton have been calling up coaching candidates to let them know they’re no longer under consideration.

According to that same report, the only three that have been confirmed to still be in the running are well-known favorites Dan Quinn (Dallas Cowboys defensive coordinator) and Nathaniel Hackett (Green Bay Packers offensive coordinator), as well as a sleeper candidate that has emerged from seemingly nowhere, Kevin O’Connell (Los Angeles Rams offensive coordinator).

32 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

I guess Gannon wasn’t has impressive as Albright said , he just makes stuff up

Not getting a job and not have a good interview are not mutually exclusive. A young DC not getting a job in his first try is not an issue. It's clear he'll get a HC job within 3 years.

https://www.knbr.com/2022/01/24/packers-beat-writer-matt-schneidman-believes-rodgers-is-done-in-green-bay-predicts-wild-trade/?fbclid=IwAR18N_YYWh6Qu0-L7AVMn7qqdluQc4SMl7bswhEHxtj-Q5N-qtCJrloa1nY
 

Basically his hypothetical trade scenario is dealing rodgers and franchising Adams and trading him along with rodgers to Denver for 3 firsts, two 2nd rounders, jeudy and fant.