16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Did you hear he’s younger than Kenny Pickett? Basically younger than a rookie!

 

18 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Maybe he will get it next year, I mean, new coach, they changed the system half way through the year, he will basically be a rookie again.

Both making rookie jokes? Rookie move.

Speaking of rookies...I am not looking forward to Hurts in his third rookie season 

5 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

I’m not worried about Payton in Dallas. He doesn’t have Drew Brees. 

Yup, he has sak passnot

55 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

He's already not a sleeper

Agreed. Watson is on everyone’s radar already. 

31 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Tucker over Dickerson is just as bad. 

This may be the more egregious choice. 

55 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

He's already not a sleeper

Just wait till the senior bowl and Combine. I’d say the Eagles to take him in the second but he may rise to the 1st. 

Aaron Rodgers, the SB run starts right now

 

 

36 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

I know the Saints were in the playoff hunt late in the year, but it's kind of a d-bag move for Payton to resign this late into the process.

He told the owner earlier what he was thinking.  She asked him to take a couple of weeks to think it over.  

1 minute ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Aaron Rodgers, the SB run starts right now

 

 

Hurts has a week on him

Following the season-ending loss in Tampa Bay, Hurts stated that Year 3 for him would start on Monday and he reiterated that saying that "the climb to the top starts now"

3 hours ago, Bacarty2 said:

Thats just the tip of the iceberg. 

At the end of the day people are fleeing mostly (if not entirely) ran states for Republican ran states. 

gun laws, taxes, covid, Unions, regulations on businesses. vehicle regulations. Regulations..... weird 

Or maybe climate?

And we know the "I got mine, f--- you" crowd love to live together.

I prefer more decent, kinder neighbors.

8 hours ago, justrelax said:

I've been chewing on the type of center we want after Kelce. A lot of that is dictated by the approach defenses are taking these days and I want to get into that. Those of you who pay attention to defensive alignments have probably noticed the terms 2i and 4i frequently. Georgia plays it. Alabama plays it. The Bucs play it. And...the Eagles play it, though not all the time.

What it is is a 3-4 defense with a nose tackle and two defensive linemen with their hands down. The NT plays head up on the center (0 Technique) and the two DL play on the inside shoulders of the OT. Head-up on the OT would be the 4 technique, hence the term 4i for 4 technique shaded inside the OT.

Here we go.

First off, this is not really new. Buddy Ryan used this a lot in his so-called Bear Defense and his 46 Defense, essentially covering the interior OL.

There are a lot of parts to this. Note that we stack our MLB directly behind the NT. This gives him a 2-way go. Depending on which way the play goes he can scrape off the NT. The other LB plays strong side. Because the NT is directly over the C, the C cannot climb to the second level to block the MLB. Also, because the NT covers him, it is extremely difficult for the C to double-team with either of his guards. He's got the NT in his face and the other DLs are two steps away. If he does go for the double-team, the backside G has to make an extremely difficult scoop block on the NT. Then there's the Power, a play we run a lot. It basically involves the C and one G to block down and the offside G to pull around and lead the RB into the B gap (between G and T). This is tough duty for the playside T because the DL across from his inside shoulder has the B gap covered and the MLB is stacked behind him to clean up. It can be done but it takes mobile linemen to do it.

Before I get back to blocking patterns I want to add that this defensive alignment is really designed to clog the middle with only four guys against five offensive linemen. If you can stymie the opponent's inside run game with just four guys you have an extra defender to handle outside runs and to drop in coverage. Think of how the Bucs handled our OZ a couple of weeks ago. Their LBs were clean to get outside and they're so fast that we couldn't outflank them. There are basically four gaps on the OL - the two A gaps and the two B gaps. The DTs cover the B gaps, the NT and the MLB cover the A gaps. For the most part, Kelce couldn't get out to the edge because he had Vea in his face. This defensive front reduced his mobility.

This is not to say that this front is a be-all and end-all. If you can block the NT with your C the whole thing falls apart. Another play that really works is the split zone, where your TE (or FB if you have one) can lead the RB around the edge and, because the DT is on the inside shoulder of the OT, the OT has natural leverage on him. Further, if you have OTs who can run, you can pull them across the formation since the G on their inside shoulder has natural leverage on the DT playing the 4i.

That bolded comment brings me back to Kelce's replacement. If we have a C who can block Vita Vea or Jordan Davis or whoever, we can handle this front. It's why I have second thoughts about Linderbaum. It's why Dickerson does make sense at C. Of course, if you do move Dickerson to C you sacrifice that massive left side.

My personal preference after Kelce retires is to have a bigger C. He doesn't have to be huge but I do want one who won't always need help against bigger NTs. The smaller he is, the bigger the Gs have to be. There's a trade-off between size and mobility. I'd love to see Kenyon Green at RG with Seumalo at C. That would be a helluva line.

Problem is you also have to be prepared for a team like the Rams. Against an athletic 4-3, Kelce is perfect, he's great at execting the double team on the DT on either side, then peeling off to the second level, and doesn't have to deal with the bull rush from a 350 lb NT.

That's why I was thinking about match ups, like you do elsewhere on the field, mobile center and big guards against the 4-3, big center and athletic guards against the 3-4.

Don't know if that's practical, but if anyone could pull it off, it would be Stoutland.

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

As great as Salt Lake City is, I was shocked at the amount of homeless people there.  Every corner we turned.  Not what I expected at all, especially for a colder climate city.  Maybe @Utebird can spread some light on the situation.

Most the homeless people hang out right down town where the old train station is and on temple square as welfare square is right down the street.

The black population In Utah is about 3% and sadly id say the majority of homeless people at least In the city are black and Latino.

I think like any city around the world there are going to be pockets of homeless people, and growing up I always wondered if one were homeless why would one choose to be in Utah where it gets really cold in the winter and I think that's the point is they dont have much of a choice. 

The jails in the winter get pretty full as well, majority black people in Utah jail are black as well( that's another story☹️), lot off them will do something during the winter just so they can get 3 hots and a cot then they'll release them when it gets warmer, it would be cheaper to give them an apartment but for some reason we'd rather lock em up or keep em homeless.

I could go on a rant about the down fall of disaster  capitalism but what's the point?having said that even places like SLC aren't immune to the homeless epidemic I just think as a smaller city with a smaller black population homelessness isnt as out in the open as some places with lots more people like California.

 

1 hour ago, Swoop said:

 

Both making rookie jokes? Rookie move.

Speaking of rookies...I am not looking forward to Hurts in his third rookie season 

He's a veteran at being a rookie.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Waddle over Smith. 

 

 

 

 

Discuss

Waddle averaged under 10 yards/ catch and on his 104 catches he had a grand total of 6 tds.

He was in an offense that force fed him the ball and he didn't do much with all those short touches 

I would have picked Smith, I'm biased but still...

1 hour ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

And then there is bad luck...

 

 

Why is a missed face mask that costs a team 4 points okay, but when it’s immediately followed by a missed PI (costing a team 4 points) it’s the worst thing that has ever happened?

11 hours ago, wussbasket said:

Andrew Luck was the last QB drafted that was a "sure thing", and look how that turned out.

People comparing Hurts to Josh Allen is something else. Go watch 2 mins of Allen in college and let me know if there are any similarities other than the sport they are playing.

 

What do you mean by this?  Luck was one of the best QB's in the league from day 1 and carried a terrible team with nobody on either side of the ball, especially at OL for a few years before injuries mounted.  He absolutely lived up to his hype.  He out-dueled the legend he replaced as a rookie as well.

11 hours ago, wussbasket said:

Andrew Luck was the last QB drafted that was a "sure thing", and look how that turned out.

People comparing Hurts to Josh Allen is something else. Go watch 2 mins of Allen in college and let me know if there are any similarities other than the sport they are playing.

 

It has already been noted by multiple people that Josh Allen was playing a totally different sport than Hurts on Sunday night.  So you might be wrong.

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Easy choice.  Waddle.  

C’mon, man

Smith does everything better than Waddle.

3 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That was fast 

What did I miss?

51 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Most the homeless people hang out right down town where the old train station is and on temple square as welfare square is right down the street.

The black population In Utah is about 3% and sadly id say the majority of homeless people at least In the city are black and Latino.

I think like any city around the world there are going to be pockets of homeless people, and growing up I always wondered if one were homeless why would one choose to be in Utah where it gets really cold in the winter and I think that's the point is they dont have much of a choice. 

The jails in the winter get pretty full as well, majority black people in Utah jail are black as well( that's another story☹️), lot off them will do something during the winter just so they can get 3 hots and a cot then they'll release them when it gets warmer, it would be cheaper to give them an apartment but for some reason we'd rather lock em up or keep em homeless.

I could go on a rant about the down fall of disaster  capitalism but what's the point?having said that even places like SLC aren't immune to the homeless epidemic I just think as a smaller city with a smaller black population homelessness isnt as out in the open as some places with lots more people like California.

 

socialist?

2 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

And then there is bad luck...

 

 

Lose because of the coin flip?  Really, that's what we are going with?  . 

Games pretty much never come down to one play.  The Saints lost the Minneapolis Miracle game long before that play.  Frankly had no business being in the game at the end, but the Vikings let them back in it.  2 INTs and a missed FG by the Saints in the first half.  They sunk their own ship.

2018 missed pass interference call... sure.  BUT... they still had the ball to start in OT and didn't score.  They turned the ball over in OT... so it's their own fault. 

And 2019... if the Rams can cause a turnover in OT to win when they lose the toss, why can't the Saints?  The coin toss NEVER determines the winner in OT.  Never has, still doesn't.   

 

So... boo freaking hoo for Sean Payton.

5 minutes ago, olsilverhair said:

socialist?

Very much so

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Can't believe Mac Jones made it over him. Hurts deserves a spot on the all rookie team

Maybe next year...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Outlaw said:

This may be the more egregious choice. 

These things go by starts many times on the OL not level of play.  Dickerson started on the bench, so he doesn't get the nod over someone who started from day 1.   Not saying it's right, but it is what it is.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Or maybe climate?

And we know the "I got mine, f--- you" crowd love to live together.

I prefer more decent, kinder neighbors.

Of course you do, welfare queen

30 minutes ago, SB52 said:

Why is a missed face mask that costs a team 4 points okay, but when it’s immediately followed by a missed PI (costing a team 4 points) it’s the worst thing that has ever happened?

Saints fans love to find an excuse to blame their failure on someone else.

10 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

What did I miss?

We’re getting Michael Thomas whose going to run slants and never get the ball thrown to him