41 minutes ago, downundermike said:

You wanna fill holes and add draft capital for next year I gotcha covered.  @Outlaw @Ray75

 

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  DeMarvin Leal

  DT Texas A&M
   
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  EDGE South Carolina
  
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  Kyler Gordon

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  Martin Emerson

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  Bailey Zappe

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  Khalil Shakir

  WR Boise State
  
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  Quentin Lake

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  Cole Turner

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  166.
  Jerrion Ealy

  RB Mississippi
   
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  Jake Camarda

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26 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I just wonder why the Jags wouldn't want to re-sign him.  I mean they have Shenault, Marvin Jones and Treadwell.  That's nothing dynamic.  It's not like there's a top WR in the draft that's worth the number 1 overall pick.  

Bad franchises do dumb things.

The Bengals are playing hardball with Jessie Bates, their best homegrown defender. 

36 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I just wonder why the Jags wouldn't want to re-sign him.  I mean they have Shenault, Marvin Jones and Treadwell.  That's nothing dynamic.  It's not like there's a top WR in the draft that's worth the number 1 overall pick.  

Maybe they do but Chark want's to move on somewhere else? Or it could be a case of a reverse home town discount, the home team is so bad they have to overpay to keep him and aren't willing to load a ton of money on a mid tier guy like Chark.

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

Bad franchises do dumb things.

The Bengals are playing hardball with Jessie Bates, their best homegrown defender. 

Based on what?  He's played 4 seasons for them, and by most accounts wasn't very good for most of the season leading up to the playoffs.  He's eligible for a new contract now and is in negotiations with the Bengals on an extension. 

This all depends what his contract demands are.  His market value (according to Spotrac) is $14.4M and the franchise tag is $13M.  This would lead one to believe a contract shouldn't be too hard to negotiate.  If he wants to be paid $17M per season, that's a harder negotiation -- it's not "hardball"

A contract negotiation that works for both sides isn't playing hardball   

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Based on what?  He's played 4 seasons for them, and by most accounts wasn't very good for most of the season leading up to the playoffs.  He's eligible for a new contract now and is in negotiations with the Bengals on an extension. 

This all depends what his contract demands are.  His market value (according to Spotrac) is $14.4M and the franchise tag is $13M.  This would lead one to believe a contract shouldn't be too hard to negotiate.  If he wants to be paid $17M per season, that's a harder negotiation -- it's not "hardball"

A contract negotiation that works for both sides isn't playing hardball   

They should have extended him last year. He's been good since he's been a rookie. He was a bit up and down this year, but still an above-average safety. He was elite-level in the playoffs. So the baseline is good starter. The upside is elite starter.

Safety AAV
Adams: 17.5
Harrison Smith: 16M
Simmons: 15M
Baker: 14.7M
Eddie Jackson: 14M
Byard: 14M
Mathieu: 14M

The floor is 14M based on comparables. Combine a rising cap + that it's a new contract, then he should be getting at least 16M. Bates IMO is the 3rd best S on that list (Byard, Simmons). 

20 hours ago, NCiggles said:

CB is a high value position.  I think they certainly consider drafting one especially given the players that may be there at 15. 

I could see them drafting one, yes. If the best player available is a CB then go for it. But in today’s league QB, WR, and DLine are more important and all a major need for this team. 
 

The Eagles already have a number 1 for probably 2-3 more seasons, so a second starter isn’t of great importance and it’s something that could be added fairly cheap in FA. I personally didn’t think Steven Nelson was that bad. 

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Regardless, you’d agree their roster is significantly better than the Eagles’, right?

Their roster going into 2022? No

12 minutes ago, RLC said:

They should have extended him last year. He's been good since he's been a rookie. He was a bit up and down this year, but still an above-average safety. He was elite-level in the playoffs. So the baseline is good starter. The upside is elite starter.

Safety AAV
Adams: 17.5
Harrison Smith: 16M
Simmons: 15M
Baker: 14.7M
Eddie Jackson: 14M
Byard: 14M
Mathieu: 14M

The floor is 14M based on comparables. Combine a rising cap + that it's a new contract, then he should be getting at least 16M. Bates IMO is the 3rd best S on that list (Byard, Simmons). 

If they agree on AAV then they still need to negotiate term and guaranteed money.  He's been healthy through his career so I wouldn't be too concerned about term, especially since he just turned 24.  A six-year deal shouldn't be difficult to agree on.  The guaranteed money is always a give-and-take.

All I've heard him say is he doesn't want to be tagged because he knows players who've been injured playing under the franchise tag -- that's reasonable.  Of course, as the organization I'd use that reasonableness against him and stress signing for a little less in exchange for more security.  

I'd be surprised if they don't reach a contract agreement in the next few weeks.  

3 minutes ago, SB52 said:

Their roster going into 2022? No

Kamara and his friends are gonna curb stomp you for that take 

 

9 minutes ago, SB52 said:

Their roster going into 2022? No

We were talking about the 2021 season…

3 hours ago, BigEFly said:

This has a bit of a feeling of Hitler’s annexation of Sudetenland (like Crimea) followed by establishing Protectorates in Czechoslovakia (Bohemia and Moravia).  With the west stuck in the neutrality pacts, nationalism and protectionism of the mid thirties.  China is probably watching this with eyes on Taiwan.  

The history between post WW1 Germany and the Czech Republic including Sudetenland is different.  Ukraine was a part of the Russian Empire.  It was also a founding nation of the USSR along with Russia. So there is a shared political history and power structure through the Communist Party.   I mean Sudetenland and the Czech Republic were never part of the German Empire or Republic pre-WW2.  It was part of the Austrian Empire.  This idea that there are Russians being discriminated against and attacked in provinces of the Ukraine is lifted straight out of Hitler's playbook.  

There's not going to be an Peace at all costs approach.  Poland is part of NATO and borders Ukraine.  Poland borders both Russia and Ukraine.  I am sure they will not tolerate Russian control of the Ukraine because they fear being next.  Turkey also is going to actively oppose appeasement in the area.  The Ukrainian army is also better supported and I do not think they are going to easily roll over.  Even if they are militarily ineffective as an army, they will be able to operate as an insurgent force.  I also don't think there's an easy political fix with a dictator.  I don't think there's a political solution that does not include total withdraw.  This leads me to believe that this will be a longstanding problem that has the potential to escalate quickly.  

China might eye Taiwan but the US has openly committed to sending forces if China attacks.  I don't think that happens unless we are in the midst of WW3. 

 

This world is f-ed up.

One man's ego changing the fate of millions.

7 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

This world is f-ed up.

One man's ego changing the fate of millions.

I know right?  Howies gotta go damnit!!

This decision will cost Putin his job  , he put his country in a no win situation , they will be bogged down in the Ukraine , longer than they were in Afghanistan . Every day that goes by , the more weapons  delivered from the west to the Ukraine military , these sanctions will cripple Russia’s economy . The people that keep Putin in power are going to feel the pain too . Putin opened the door to a armed to the tooth Ukraine  , on the Russian boarder .

just a all around bad decision by  Putin 

14 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

This world is f-ed up.

One man's ego changing the fate of millions.

The thing that scares me is that you could have said the same thing about Hitler.  I'm hoping we aren't witnessing the first shots of world war 3.

2 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

This decision will cost Putin his job  , he put his country in a no win situation , they will be bogged down in the Ukraine , longer than they were in Afghanistan

I like this analysis a lot better.  

15 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

The thing that scares me is that you could have said the same thing about Hitler.  I'm hoping we aren't witnessing the first shots of world war 3.

I like this analysis a lot better.  

Just the beginning 

10,000 automatic rifles have been given to regular civilians in Kyiv in the last few hours - Interior Minister

At least we have Biden protecting the US,

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

The history between post WW1 Germany and the Czech Republic including Sudetenland is different.  Ukraine was a part of the Russian Empire.  It was also a founding nation of the USSR along with Russia. So there is a shared political history and power structure through the Communist Party.   I mean Sudetenland and the Czech Republic were never part of the German Empire or Republic pre-WW2.  It was part of the Austrian Empire.  This idea that there are Russians being discriminated against and attacked in provinces of the Ukraine is lifted straight out of Hitler's playbook.  

There's not going to be an Peace at all costs approach.  Poland is part of NATO and borders Ukraine.  Poland borders both Russia and Ukraine.  I am sure they will not tolerate Russian control of the Ukraine because they fear being next.  Turkey also is going to actively oppose appeasement in the area.  The Ukrainian army is also better supported and I do not think they are going to easily roll over.  Even if they are militarily ineffective as an army, they will be able to operate as an insurgent force.  I also don't think there's an easy political fix with a dictator.  I don't think there's a political solution that does not include total withdraw.  This leads me to believe that this will be a longstanding problem that has the potential to escalate quickly.  

China might eye Taiwan but the US has openly committed to sending forces if China attacks.  I don't think that happens unless we are in the midst of WW3. 

 

Well, Germany had already annexed/combined with Austria.  Sudetenland was peopled by a lot of Germanic people so the comparison with Crimea fits a bit.  So does the rise of nationalism, populism, protectionism in the west over the last decade.  I think Ukraine is probably going to fall. Sanctions are going to be of minimal impact.  We already see an influx of refugees   Many more will just tolerate whatever happens.  

2 minutes ago, olsilverhair said:

At least we have Biden protecting the US,

so comforting.

28 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

This decision will cost Putin his job  , he put his country in a no win situation , they will be bogged down in the Ukraine , longer than they were in Afghanistan . Every day that goes by , the more weapons  delivered from the west to the Ukraine military , these sanctions will cripple Russia’s economy . The people that keep Putin in power are going to feel the pain too . Putin opened the door to a armed to the tooth Ukraine  , on the Russian boarder .

just a all around bad decision by  Putin 

He isn’t even losing here in the media or politically. 

58 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Based on what?  He's played 4 seasons for them, and by most accounts wasn't very good for most of the season leading up to the playoffs.  He's eligible for a new contract now and is in negotiations with the Bengals on an extension. 

This all depends what his contract demands are.  His market value (according to Spotrac) is $14.4M and the franchise tag is $13M.  This would lead one to believe a contract shouldn't be too hard to negotiate.  If he wants to be paid $17M per season, that's a harder negotiation -- it's not "hardball"

A contract negotiation that works for both sides isn't playing hardball   

There's a number of ways teams can be cheap with contracts.  I mean not all guarantees are the same and a team that offers less money overall but more money up is often viewed as a better deal for a player.  So it's not just about value and salary but the total amount of guaranteed money and how it's paid.  Bates has not said that he wants to be the highest paid safety but he also doesn't want the Franchise tag. My guess is that he just wants guarantees and cash up front consistent with players at that position.  I mean an average value of $15 million per year but only a $5 million signing bonus and $15million in guaranteed money would be hard ball too. 

Yikes 

A whole platoon of Russian occupants surrendered to Ukrainian forces near Chernihiv in northern Ukraine, Ukraine army commander in chief reports. 'No one thought we were going to kill. We thought we were going to gather information', Russian officer reportedly said

43 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

This decision will cost Putin his job  , he put his country in a no win situation , they will be bogged down in the Ukraine , longer than they were in Afghanistan . Every day that goes by , the more weapons  delivered from the west to the Ukraine military , these sanctions will cripple Russia’s economy . The people that keep Putin in power are going to feel the pain too . Putin opened the door to a armed to the tooth Ukraine  , on the Russian boarder .

just a all around bad decision by  Putin 

 

Doubtful.  Europe is too dependent on Russia for oil.  Russia will take control of Ukraine and that will be it. 

6 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

He isn’t even losing here in the media or politically. 

I mean he's not losing on the news network that is pro Putin here but I don't think the majority of America thinks his actions are justified.  I think starting WW3 over Putin invading Ukraine is where Americans want to draw the line.  

Just now, Original Sin said:

Yikes 

A whole platoon of Russian occupants surrendered to Ukrainian forces near Chernihiv in northern Ukraine, Ukraine army commander in chief reports. 'No one thought we were going to kill. We thought we were going to gather information', Russian officer reportedly said

I think that Russians didn't necessarily believe Putin would invade either.