June 28, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, hukdonfoniks said: He's going down, and it's gonna be awesome to see the rivers of tears. Remember to drink lots of water to rehydrate!
June 28, 20232 yr https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924 18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material (a)Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both. (b)For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a). (c)In this section, the term "classified information of the United States” means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security. "knowingly removes.. with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location" Trump is guilty of this. Biden/Pence are not.
June 28, 20232 yr "I'm not a Trump supporter but (insert batsheet insane take defending something Trump did)" A CVON tale as old as time
June 28, 20232 yr 16 minutes ago, hukdonfoniks said: The crime is that they took them, not that one cooperated more than the other when they got caught. The fact that that's the conversation to begin with, not *why* we have to have this conversation in the first place, is the problem. Who gives a F how sorry they are after the fact? It's possession of classified information, not something minor like jaywalking or driving with a tail light out. true, obstruction isnt a crime. but again for the record, i would have no issue if biden and pence dealt with fallout for simply having them. now, show us where they obstructed like trump did.
June 28, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, mr_hunt said: if one of you calls huk'd a trump supporter, he wins! don't fall into his trap! one doesnt have to be a trumper to have an asinine take on the situation.
June 28, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: if one of you calls huk'd a trump supporter, he wins! don't fall into his trap! He won't ask you again, all you gotta do is just say the magic words!
June 28, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: if one of you calls huk'd a trump supporter, he wins! don't fall into his trap! It's understandable to be skeptical of all this legal activity given how polarizing Trump was as a figure. But if you take a dispassionate look at the DOJ's actions, Trump's actions, & Biden's actions, it becomes very clear that the argument of any sort of malfeasance is specious at best. NARA and the DOJ gave Trump over a year to comply, and resisted pressing ahead with the raid and ultimately the indictments until they were given no other choice. At some point even former presidents need to be held accountable.
June 28, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924 "knowingly removes.. with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location" Trump is guilty of this. Biden/Pence are not. I say it every single day. WTF is wrong with people that you constantly have to explain the difference. Hud, just admit you are wrong and move along. The man was intentionally f'ng with the Archives, and then got caught lying about it. ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS GIVE THEM BACK. THAT'S IT. Then, there would be no indictment. Does this help you at all?
June 28, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: He won't ask you again, all you gotta do is just say the magic words!
June 28, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I do not believe it's criminal to accidentally take classified documents provided that 1. You legally had the right to possess them and 2. Did not show a pattern of careless behavior in handling documents. At least it's not under the espionage act statutes. I have found no cases where someone accidentally removed classified documents and were prosecuted for it. The way the statute is written requires knowingly removing documents. If you find them later and fail to return, that's a separate crime (and the specific one Trump was indicted for in Florida). There's no evidence or reason to believe that Biden or Pence knowingly took these documents. If any is uncovered then yeah it would be more comparable. Trump took them knowing they were classified, and knowing he had no right to keep them. Neither Biden nor Pence did. Even if it's illegal for one to accidentally possess classified documents under other statutes, the difference between what Trump did and what Biden/Pence did is the difference between someone driving 100mph the wrong way on 95 after getting flagged at the bar ending in a fatal accident, and someone doing 10 over the speed limit hitting a parked car. One's worse than the other, sure. But varying degrees of recklessness is still recklessness. However much damage is caused still doesn't escape the fact that damage happened. It shouldn't be this hard to admit the fact that both of them effed up, and they should both get whatever it is they're going to get from it. Just now, we_gotta_believe said: He's going down, and it's gonna be awesome to see the rivers of tears. Remember to drink lots of water to rehydrate! Who's going down? One time!
June 28, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, hukdonfoniks said: One's worse than the other, sure. But varying degrees of recklessness is still recklessness. However much damage is caused still doesn't escape the fact that damage happened. It shouldn't be this hard to admit the fact that both of them effed up, and they should both get whatever it is they're going to get from it. Who's going down? One time!
June 28, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, hukdonfoniks said: One's worse than the other, sure. But varying degrees of recklessness is still recklessness. However much damage is caused still doesn't escape the fact that damage happened. It shouldn't be this hard to admit the fact that both of them effed up, and they should both get whatever it is they're going to get from it. They both messed up. But only one of the two committed a crime in the process. They're not remotely equivalent, to the degree that one's actions are criminal and one's is not. The statutes are posted above. Unless you an prove he knowingly took the material in the first place, Biden committed no crime and followed the law when he found himself in possession of classified material. By Trump's own words he knowingly took these documents, retained them in insecure locations, refused repeated requests to return them, and shared the contents of classified materials with persons unauthorized to see them. Notwithstanding innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, one is guilty of a crime. The other is not.
June 28, 20232 yr 44 minutes ago, hukdonfoniks said: Even though no one would have to talk about anyone's "intent to obstruct return of classified documents", if no one took them in the first place. Of course it's not. Silly me. Let's just do an end-around around the fact that nobody, Biden or Trump or anyone else, should have classified information in their personal possession. Whether it's in a garage in Delaware or a safe in some backroom in Mar-a-lago. But one guy reallllly, reallllly wanted to give them back once he got caught with them, so. Biden was not caught. His lawyers found them and reported it to NARA. Biden then invited the FBI to come and search for more. That's called cooperation. Something Trump didn't do.
June 28, 20232 yr 35 minutes ago, hukdonfoniks said: Who's going down? Based on your posts, I'd have to say you are going down on homeless men constantly.
June 28, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: Based on your posts, I'd have to say you are going down on homeless men constantly.
June 28, 20232 yr 23 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: Been awhile since we've had a good hobo deek reference. Well done @vikas83 you can't mention hobo deek without @bobeph
June 28, 20232 yr 20 minutes ago, Toastrel said: That tracks with Gropey McCheetoh. Stole this from that thread.
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