June 7, 20223 yr Author 1 minute ago, toolg said: The feeling is mutual. I'd say don't be so hard on yourself, but you absolutely deserve it.
June 7, 20223 yr 23 hours ago, Gannan said: I have to remember to stay out of this thread. I agree with you too much. Be real people. It's grooming. It's disgusting. If a dad took his 8 year old son to a regular strip club, people would be outraged. The dad would be in jail. This is completely inappropriate. Those parents should be ashamed of themselves. It's revolting. Props
June 7, 20223 yr Author What's the disgusting obsession with getting small children to these events? Just kidding, it's obviously grooming.
June 7, 20223 yr 16 minutes ago, Kz! said: What's the disgusting obsession with getting small children to these events? Just kidding, it's obviously grooming. And indoctrination. I posted the Bill Maher video a few weeks ago, for anyone who didn't watch, here was his main point... Quote "Real Time with Bill Maher" on HBO. Citing a Gallup survey, he added: "The LGBT population of America seems to be roughly doubling every generation. Less than one percent of Americans born before 1946 (that’s Joe Biden’s generation) identify that way, 2.6 percent of boomers do, 4.2 of Gen X, 10.5 of millennials and 20.8 percent of Gen z, which means if we follow this trajectory, we will all be gay in 2054." 20% is insane. There's no way 20% of an entire generation was born trans. It's learned behavior and straight kids feel they're "boring" or" uninteresting" because they're "cis". He also points out that belonging to a marginalized group doesn't automatically make them right, especially when it comes to children. Quote He added that giving children puberty blockers is akin to experimenting on them. "It’s okay to ask questions about something that’s very new and involves children the answer can’t always be that anyone from a marginalized community is automatically right trump card might drop end of discussion because we’re literally experimenting on children," he said.
June 7, 20223 yr Author 9 minutes ago, Gannan said: He added that giving children puberty blockers is akin to experimenting on them. "It’s okay to ask questions about something that’s very new and involves children the answer can’t always be that anyone from a marginalized community is automatically right trump card might drop end of discussion because we’re literally experimenting on children," he said. Interesting point, and it's worth noting that we only have one pediatrician that posts here @DEagle7 and he's all-in on prescribing puberty blockers and gender re-assignment surgeries on minors. Scary times.
June 7, 20223 yr 30 minutes ago, Gannan said: And indoctrination. I posted the Bill Maher video a few weeks ago, for anyone who didn't watch, here was his main point... 20% is insane. There's no way 20% of an entire generation was born trans. It's learned behavior and straight kids feel they're "boring" or" uninteresting" because they're "cis". He also points out that belonging to a marginalized group doesn't automatically make them right, especially when it comes to children. He's wrong about puberty blockers being new or experimental. Exact same drug has been used for decades on kids of a similar age to address precocious puberty. Safe, reversible, and effective. Adults have a negative connotation of it because its also used in adult women to disrupt the pituitary's cyclical signals which essentially induces menopause. In kids who have never had that cyclical signalling before they don't have the same withdrawal symptoms. Now hormone replacement therapy? I agree. The kids I've sent over to trans clinics are counseled that hormone replacement and surgeries are not an option until they're older and even then they'll need extensive counseling and workup prior to that being an option.
June 7, 20223 yr 31 minutes ago, Gannan said: And indoctrination. I posted the Bill Maher video a few weeks ago, for anyone who didn't watch, here was his main point... 20% is insane. There's no way 20% of an entire generation was born trans. It's learned behavior and straight kids feel they're "boring" or" uninteresting" because they're "cis". He also points out that belonging to a marginalized group doesn't automatically make them right, especially when it comes to children. I can never understand when parents tell me "my 7 year old identifies as a boy." Dude, she's 7. If you had let me, I'd have identified as a T-Rex at 7. While the kids being exposed to it is part of the story, a larger part is parents who want to feel special by having a trans kid. These ridiculous LA parents want to prove to you how open-minded they are, and they're using their kids to do it.
June 7, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: He's wrong about puberty blockers being new or experimental. Exact same drug has been used for decades on kids of a similar age to address precocious puberty. A temporary usage to delay puberty isn't the same as using the drugs with the intent to prevent puberty all together. I think that's what he is talking about.
June 7, 20223 yr 52 minutes ago, Gannan said: And indoctrination. I posted the Bill Maher video a few weeks ago, for anyone who didn't watch, here was his main point... 20% is insane. There's no way 20% of an entire generation was born trans. It's learned behavior and straight kids feel they're "boring" or" uninteresting" because they're "cis". He also points out that belonging to a marginalized group doesn't automatically make them right, especially when it comes to children. I agree, except that 20% number isn't of trans people. It's of gay/lesbo/whatever people.
June 7, 20223 yr We've sure come a long way in a few short months. It used to be "only the far far left and the far far right" that cared about trannies and all the disgusting grooming. Suddenly the ishlib mob is outraged and has decided that this behavior is, in fact, abhorrent.
June 7, 20223 yr Just now, DrPhilly said: A temporary usage to delay puberty isn't the same as using the drugs with the intent to prevent puberty all together. I think that's what he is talking about. It's not used to prevent it altogether though. It's used to block it until they're old enough to decide how they want to identify and can either go through with their biological hormonal response or use different hormones to maculize/feminize themselves to better fit how they perceive themselves. Which is how it's used for precocious puberty, just started a few years earlier in kids whose signals kick in too early. 6 minutes ago, vikas83 said: I can never understand when parents tell me "my 7 year old identifies as a boy." Dude, she's 7. If you had let me, I'd have identified as a T-Rex at 7. While the kids being exposed to it is part of the story, a larger part is parents who want to feel special by having a trans kid. These ridiculous LA parents want to prove to you how open-minded they are, and they're using their kids to do it. I had to report a parent to DCYF for doing a version of that last year. Basically forced her (young) kid to act like a boy to drive a wedge against dad. She lost custody. Lady was bonkers.
June 7, 20223 yr Just now, DEagle7 said: I had to report a parent to DCYF for doing a version of that last year. Basically forced her (young) kid to act like a boy to drive a wedge against dad. She lost custody. Lady was bonkers. I'm sorry to hear that - must have been tough for you.
June 7, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, mikemack8 said: We've sure come a long way in a few short months. It used to be "only the far far left and the far far right" that cared about trannies and all the disgusting grooming. Suddenly the ishlib mob is outraged and has decided that this behavior is, in fact, abhorrent. Now that I've taken over as leader of the "ishlib mob", there's gonna be some changes around here.
June 7, 20223 yr Author 16 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: He's wrong about puberty blockers being new or experimental. Exact same drug has been used for decades on kids of a similar age to address precocious puberty. Safe, reversible, and effective. Adults have a negative connotation of it because its also used in adult women to disrupt the pituitary's cyclical signals which essentially induces menopause. In kids who have never had that cyclical signalling before they don't have the same withdrawal symptoms. Now hormone replacement therapy? I agree. The kids I've sent over to trans clinics are counseled that hormone replacement and surgeries are not an option until they're older and even then they'll need extensive counseling and workup prior to that being an option. Intentionally disrupting a completely natural process like puberty is completely reversible? Find it hard to believe. Quote Puberty blockers stunted the height and impaired the bone mass density of children wishing to change gender, researchers have found. The study followed 44 children, aged 12-15, who had treatment for gender dysphoria at England's only NHS specialist clinic for children. Oh.
June 7, 20223 yr Just now, DEagle7 said: It's not used to prevent it altogether though. It's used to block it until they're old enough to decide how they want to identify and can either go through with their biological hormonal response or use different hormones to maculize/feminize themselves to better fit how they perceive themselves. Which is how it's used for precocious puberty, just started a few years earlier in kids whose signals kick in too early. Ok, it is used under the assumption that the child may want to prevent it from occurring under their biological sex. That isn't the same thing as for precocious puberty which is simply a delaying tactic. Medically it may be the same but the reasons are quite different.
June 7, 20223 yr Author 2 minutes ago, mikemack8 said: We've sure come a long way in a few short months. It used to be "only the far far left and the far far right" that cared about trannies and all the disgusting grooming. Suddenly the ishlib mob is outraged and has decided that this behavior is, in fact, abhorrent. Not @toolg, though. His perfect ishlib score in here remains intact.
June 7, 20223 yr Author Certainly not experimental, either... Quote Little is known about the long-term side effects of hormone or puberty blockers in children with gender dysphoria. Although GIDS advises this is a physically reversible treatment if stopped, it is not known what the psychological effects may be. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/treatment/#:~:text=Puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones&text=Little is known about the,the psychological effects may be.
June 7, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Ok, it is used under the assumption that the child may want to prevent it from occurring under their biological sex. That isn't the same thing as for precocious puberty which is simply a delaying tactic. Medically it may be the same but the reasons are quite different. And that changes things how? I'm not making a moral argument here, I'm simply pushing back against it being "experimental" like Maher claimed. We have literally decades of safety and efficacy data in kids with a similar age range, desired result, and hormonal stage. 10 minutes ago, mikemack8 said: I'm sorry to hear that - must have been tough for you. It was. I had to bring my 10 month old to BDSM club in order to stop shaking.
June 7, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: And that changes things how? I'm not making a moral argument here, I'm simply pushing back against it being "experimental" like Maher claimed. We have literally decades of safety and efficacy data in kids with a similar age range, desired result, and hormonal stage. The process itself is experimental, not the drugs. The process of delaying kids' puberty for years so that they can make an informed decision several years later as to whether or not they want to make a sex change or not. The impact that process has on kids mentally isn't understood. The effects the drugs have on kids bodies for a few years as they reach a more normal age for puberty is understood but that's something else.
June 7, 20223 yr Author He's getting ratio'd and absolutely bodied in the replies. I love that dems can't figure out to stay away from people's children. They're so dumb.
June 7, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: The process itself is experimental, not the drugs. The process of delaying kids' puberty for years so that they can make an informed decision several years later as to whether or not they want to make a sex change or not. The impact that process has on kids mentally isn't understood. The effects the drugs have on kids bodies for a few years as they reach a more normal age for puberty is understood but that's something else. I suppose. We do know however have a good understanding about the psychological risk factors trans kids experience when they hit puberty and their body changes however so it's not as if you're not dealing with no mental risk beforehand. If you want to look at it that way you're trading known mental risks for minimal medical risk and unknown mental risk. Part of the reason I always recommend people go through a multidisciplinary clinic for any degree of trans care so they have psychological and group support and certainly not a decision to be taken lightly. However also not a decision I feel as if I or anyone else should be able to make for another kid/family.
June 7, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Gannan said: Now that I've taken over as leader of the "ishlib mob", there's gonna be some changes around here. What are your thoughts on malarkey?
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