June 27, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, downundermike said: We need to permit women to kill their offspring because men can’t control their homicidal tendencies. Abortion really is about men controlling women. Also for the Chatman quote about child support - depending on the state prenatal care and birth expenses can be a liability for the father. So - yes?
June 27, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: The heart is just a blood pumping organ. Its notoriety is because its job results in a readily identifiable mechanic we associate with life. The line IMHO is when the brain is formed enough for a fetus to have independent thoughts. Not just reaction to stimulus, but some actual level of consciousness and sense of self. Thats a fair point and one i'm willing to consider.
June 27, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said: Is this a joke or do you believe this? I believe that TEW believes this because that's what he has written about ad nasuem. Women are paid less because they have other goals (ie: raising kids) and because their careers tend to be sidetracked by having said kids. Yet he also believes that they shouldn't be able to have abortions so they can focus on their careers. he's lurking right now, let's ask him.
June 27, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, dawkins4prez said: Yeah, we're not falling for that one ever again. We know exactly where ya'll are 100000% ready to take this; human rights at inception. Dont say yall i have said consistently it should be legal. now you sound like the gun nuts you supposedly hate
June 27, 20223 yr 47 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Logic says very clearly to me that if it can't live outside the womb, it's not a baby yet. A heartbeat is a completely sentimental launching point that has nothing to do with anything. Like, why not the liver or the kidneys? Define, "live outside the womb".
June 27, 20223 yr Just now, Phillyterp85 said: Define, "live outside the womb". most countries have that at about 24 weeks, sounds fine to me.
June 27, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: I believe that TEW believes this because that's what he has written about ad nasuem. Women are paid less because they have other goals (ie: raising kids) and because their careers tend to be sidetracked by having said kids. Yet he also believes that they shouldn't be able to have abortions so they can focus on their careers. he's lurking right now, let's ask him. Ok, let's see. I bet he says they should be paid based on their performance/contribution and get the same as men who do the same job equally well.
June 27, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: I believe that TEW believes this because that's what he has written about ad nasuem. Women are paid less because they have other goals (ie: raising kids) and because their careers tend to be sidetracked by having said kids. Yet he also believes that they shouldn't be able to have abortions so they can focus on their careers. he's lurking right now, let's ask him. Women earn less on average because of their own preferences and choices. They gravitate towards lesser paying fields, they work fewer hours, they take more vacation, and yes they have children. Yes, women should not be able to murder children. Totally controversial take. I believe women are capable of making choices and taking responsibility for their choices. A woman is responsible for her own career; if she chooses to enter an uncompetitive field, and takes a lot of time off, that’s her choice but the trade off is going to be less money. If a woman chooses to not use one of the 20-30 different forms of birth control available to them, and then has sex, and then gets pregnant, the trade off for those decisions is a child. And she doesn’t get to murder someone because their life is inconvenient to her.
June 27, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, TEW said: Women are paid less because of their own preferences and choices. They gravitate towards lesser paying fields, they work fewer hours, they take more vacation, and yes they have children. ...and if a woman does the same job equally well as a man with similar experience levels and for the same company they should get paid equally or non equally?
June 27, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: most countries have that at about 24 weeks, sounds fine to me. Ok, as a follow up, I'll ask you to define "most countries". Because the overwhelming majority of European nations only allow elective abortions up to 10-14 weeks of pregnancy.
June 27, 20223 yr Just now, DrPhilly said: ...and if a woman does the same job equally well as a man with similar experience levels and for the same company they should get paid equally or non equally? Of course. The studies I’ve seen which control for variables such as profession, hours worked, etc. put the "pay gap” at 1-2%, which most likely can be attributed to the more aggressive nature of a subset of men when negotiating pay.
June 27, 20223 yr Just now, TEW said: Of course. The studies I’ve seen which control for variables such as profession, hours worked, etc. put the "pay gap” at 1-2%, which most likely can be attributed to the more aggressive nature of a subset of men when negotiating pay. The ones I've seen put the number near zero, especially in my sector, tech.
June 27, 20223 yr This is a great interview with Jordan Peterson on the pay gap. Amazing job by him by staying calm and on point with an interviewer who is clearly trying to play "gotcha journalism" and put words in his mouth. In summary, yes a pay gap exists. But there a MULTITUDE of factors that explain the pay gap. Yes, prejudice does exist, but it makes up a far far smaller % of the pay gap than what people think.
June 27, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: The ones I've seen put the number near zero, especially in my sector, tech. Right. The entire pay gap argument is garbage. Basic multi-variant analysis proves it doesn’t actually exist.
June 27, 20223 yr 30 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: Not yet, a few years away yet, I try to celebrate each day. You should have a joint celebration with @DrPhilly
June 27, 20223 yr 14 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: The ones I've seen put the number near zero, especially in my sector, tech. Is it around 50-50 men to women working in tech?
June 27, 20223 yr 25 minutes ago, TEW said: Women earn less on average because of their own preferences and choices. They gravitate towards lesser paying fields (with more flexibility so they can raise children), they work fewer hours (because they have children), they take more vacation (because they have children), and yes they have children.. If a woman chooses to not use one of the 20-30 different forms of birth control (all of which are not fail safe and most of which have medical risks) available to them, and then has sex, and then gets pregnant, the trade off for those decisions is a child. And she doesn’t get to murder someone because their life is inconvenient to her. It all boils down to the same, women, almost always are the primary caregivers for children. If they cannot abort and manage their career to an optimal time to have children, they are forced into lesser jobs, requiring less years of preparation, fewer working hours and of course less money. If they cannot have abortions than you also believe that it is legitimate to pass them over in favor of a man when being considered for a position that cannot be interrupted (the ones with lots of money. you can run it into circles and it all boils down to the same crap. Career women need to be able to have abortions.
June 27, 20223 yr 33 minutes ago, TEW said: Do I want women to be unpaid corporate slaves who never have kids because it would disrupt the money machine or barefoot and pregnant because that’s a woman’s place? Sh**libs need to make up their minds about which straw man they’re going to throw at me. The thing is that they come off higher and holier than thou, but scratch the surface and you'll some of the most hateful, intolerant people out there in liberals.
June 27, 20223 yr 16 minutes ago, TEW said: Right. The entire pay gap argument is garbage. Basic multi-variant analysis proves it doesn’t actually exist. You mean like those fields where they get summers off and yet whine they "only" make X amount? 5 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Is it around 50-50 men to women working in tech? Not even close. What barriers to entry do you believe exist preventing women from getting into tech. Also, now do healthcare and it being female dominated.
June 27, 20223 yr 19 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: The ones I've seen put the number near zero, especially in my sector, tech. Life sciences are near zero as well
June 27, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, TEW said: Right. The entire pay gap argument is garbage. Basic multi-variant analysis proves it doesn’t actually exist. Now I'll flip to the other side here and say that many people aren't looking at it from an equal pay / equal job perspective. Rather, they simply look at whether the average woman makes the same as the average man at the same age. I remember having this discussion on an 8hr flight 15 years back with some super duper feminist leader type from Sweden. For about an hour we were very much involved in a nice discussion but by the end she didn't like me
June 27, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Is it around 50-50 men to women working in tech? I think China is up to 30-40% Anyway, what does that have to do with it? 9 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: You should have a joint celebration with @DrPhilly We can come to W/S and you write on your sign together
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