1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

but by the end she didn't like me

I bet it’s a real mystery why

   

23 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

This is a great interview with Jordan Peterson on the pay gap.   Amazing job by him by staying calm and on point with an interviewer who is clearly trying to play "gotcha journalism" and put words in his mouth.   In summary, yes a pay gap exists.  But there a MULTITUDE of factors that explain the pay gap.   Yes, prejudice does exist, but it makes up a far far smaller % of the pay gap than what people think. 

The pay gap exists in some fields more than others.  But one of the most (if not the most) important reasons it has shrunk over the last 50 years is because we are on our 4th generation of women who had access to abortion.

7 minutes ago, paco said:

Also, now do healthcare and it being female dominated.

@DEagle7 is skewing healthcare pay by letting his wife make more than him

10 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

 

It all boils down to the same, women, almost always are the primary caregivers for children.  If they cannot abort and manage their career to an optimal time to have children, they are forced into lesser jobs, requiring less years of preparation, fewer working hours and of course less money.  If they cannot have abortions than you also believe that it is legitimate to pass them over in favor of a man when being considered for a position that cannot be interrupted (the ones with lots of money.

 

you can run it into circles and it all boils down to the same crap.  Career women need to be able to have abortions.

So you weren't really talking about equal pay for equal work. You were talking about something else.

11 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

For about an hour we were very much involved in a nice discussion but by the end she didn't like me

You could literally say this about anyone unfortunate enough to come into contact with you, though.

5 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

@DEagle7 is skewing healthcare pay by letting his wife make more than him

You do the same for university professors don't you?

10 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I bet it’s a real mystery why

   

 

21 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Wait, I'm supposed to be making more money than my wife? 

Cucks don't. You're good.

10 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

The pay gap exists in some fields more than others.  But one of the most (if not the most) important reasons it has shrunk over the last 50 years is because we are on our 4th generation of women who had access to abortion.

Can you name one where the pay gap isn't reduced to near zero once other factors are included as PhillyTerp alludes to?

13 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I bet it’s a real mystery why

   

Softball setup.  I wanted to see how long until you or others bit.  About as long as I expected.

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

You do the same for university professors don't you?

Yeah, but my wife is constantly talking about the gender disparities in pay.  So that’s probably not the best person to reference here.   

Just now, Dave Moss said:

Yeah, but my wife is constantly talking about the gender disparities in pay.  So that’s probably not the best person to reference here.   

You mean she wants her salary lowered to match you?

Ishlibs really are the most retarded people on earth.   

@Dave Moss Is your inbox full?  I wanted to send you a PM.

 

Also, what does your wife teach?  Don't worry, I promise not to sign up for her classes.  I'll stick to your history class.

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

You mean she wants her salary lowered to match you?

Yeah, right.  

6 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

@Dave Moss Is your inbox full?  I wanted to send you a PM.

 

Also, what does your wife teach?  Don't worry, I promise not to sign up for her classes.  I'll stick to your history class.

7 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

@Dave Moss Is your inbox full?  I wanted to send you a PM.

 

Also, what does your wife teach?  Don't worry, I promise not to sign up for her classes.  I'll stick to your history class.

Nah, I think I blocked you from being able send me PMs

    

4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Can you name one where the pay gap isn't reduced to near zero once other factors are included as PhillyTerp alludes to?

That's a convo that isn't going to go anywhere, you're always going to find an excuse.  But let's just say the Boys Clubs still exist in tech, binance and some others.  If a woman wants to compete at the top levels of these fields where sacrifice is paramount to success, she's gonna need access to abortion.  Even if she doesn't actually have one, upwards mobility depends on the expectation that she would.

Just now, Dave Moss said:

Nah, I think I blocked you from being able send me PMs

    

You dick.  I've sent you maybe two in 15 years.

4 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

That's a convo that isn't going to go anywhere, you're always going to find an excuse.  But let's just say the Boys Clubs still exist in tech, binance and some others.  If a woman wants to compete at the top levels of these fields where sacrifice is paramount to success, she's gonna need access to abortion.  Even if she doesn't actually have one, upwards mobility depends on the expectation that she would.

I'm onboard with the issue of taking off to give time for children.  That's a tough one.  However, if you are going equal pay for equal work then all things apply.  On the other hand, if you want to get into overall life value then we can have that discussion.  That would open up a lot of topics that aren't just focused on compensation from a job.

37 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

 

It all boils down to the same, women, almost always are the primary caregivers for children.  If they cannot abort and manage their career to an optimal time to have children, they are forced into lesser jobs, requiring less years of preparation, fewer working hours and of course less money.  If they cannot have abortions than you also believe that it is legitimate to pass them over in favor of a man when being considered for a position that cannot be interrupted (the ones with lots of money.

 

you can run it into circles and it all boils down to the same crap.  Career women need to be able to have abortions.

No, maternity leave is controlled for. Women just take more time off. It is what it is. 
 

Women aren’t forced to do anything. They have choices and they are fully capable of putting on their big girl skirts and making decision that involves imperfect outcomes.

Career women need to get on birth control, have their partner wear a condom, get their tubes tied, or do whatever else they think is necessary commensurate with the importance they place on their career.

What they can’t do is murder their own children because it might derail their career. 

5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

I'm onboard with the issue of taking off to give time for children.  That's a tough one.  However, if you are going equal pay for equal work then all things apply.  On the other hand, if you want to get into overall life value then we can have that discussion.  That would open up a lot of topics that aren't just focused on compensation from a job.

After legitimate push back from the wage gap deniers, everybody was forced to look into the issue with more precise data.  What they found was that the wage gap does exist, for women with children.  those are the ones that as TEW rightly points out, simply have other priorities.  This is why the wage gap, abortions and women's liberation are all inextricably tied.

42 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Now I'll flip to the other side here and say that many people aren't looking at it from an equal pay / equal job perspective.  Rather, they simply look at whether the average woman makes the same as the average man at the same age.  I remember having this discussion on an 8hr flight 15 years back with some super duper feminist leader type from Sweden.  For about an hour we were very much involved in a nice discussion but by the end she didn't like me

I’m sure you were devastated.

14 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Cucks don't. You're good.

Whew, good. scared me there for a second.

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

No, maternity leave is controlled for. Women just take more time off. It is what it is. 
 

You're getting weaker by the post.  Maternity leave can be a career killer in ultra competitive fields.  But go way down the ballot and you find that women with children simply have to take more sick days and vacation because child rearing eats it up.  Women without children do not take more off than men, if anything they take less.

1 minute ago, dawkins4prez said:

After legitimate push back from the wage gap deniers, everybody was forced to look into the issue with more precise data.  What they found was that the wage gap does exist, for women with children.  those are the ones that as TEW rightly points out, simply have other priorities.  This is why the wage gap, abortions and women's liberation are all inextricably tied.

Women are liberated. They just have to take responsibility for their own choices without murdering children.