32 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The "Great Flood" is generally believed to be the collapse of the barrier between the Mediterranean and the Black Sea, survivors would have seen a wall of water a 100 feet high.

However, there are questions whether it was that dramatic of an event

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_hypothesis

Given the limits of local knowledge, most areas around the world are probably subject to "thousand year floods" within oral memory, so they would all have some memory of a "great flood." Obviously, no such Bibical flood actually occurred, since the geological evidence simply doesn't exist (sediments covering most of the earth from recent origin).

There was an ice dam that burst at the end of the last ice age in eastern North America that let out a tremendous amount of water into the Atlantic around 8,000 years ago.  There is some speculation that the initial collapse release a wall of water akin to a tsunami in effect and that when that surge hit the Mediterranean, which like the Gulf of Mexico is shallow for a sea.  There are some that theorize that wall of water may have carried the salt water into the Black Sea.  There are sediments that reflect the collapse, including sediments off Iceland that support a decrease in salinity. The speculation is that the amount of water was more than the Great Lakes combined. The result was enough to cool the ocean sufficiently to trigger a relapse into a secondary ice age in Europe. Theory at this point but supported by geologic and paleontological evidence. 

26 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Why is deshaun Watson so short?

And drew lock black and faceless?

Watson body is just cut off from the neck down probably because he's naked and just got done at the massage parlor.

Remember when all those players were getting "injured"? It was really Howie beating the **** out of everyone in the locker room.

21 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Don't worry guys, we got the best guy on the case to figure this all out

I'm sure Carson will get back to him.  U better believe it.

10 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

Alright boys, I'm in the mood to get roasted. My 2022 QB rankings.

https://tiermaker.com/create/nfl-qbs-tier-list-2022-23-396637

 

Don’t get so enthralled with Burrow’s team’s playoff finish. His playoff performance was not particularly outstanding, his team’s defense was.

In the regular season they were a 7 loss team that only made the playoffs because no one else in the NFC north was better. Had Pittsburgh won 1 more game, you’d be  ranking Burrow below where you have Herbert here, because Justin had a much better season.

2 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

Remember when all those players were getting "injured"? It was really Howie beating the **** out of everyone in the locker room.

Makes sense.  Glad he's finally calmed down and stopped hurting the players.

Go easy on em Howie.

6 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Don’t get so enthralled with Burrow’s team’s playoff finish. His playoff performance was not particularly outstanding, his team’s defense was.

In the regular season they were a 7 loss team that only made the playoffs because no one else in the NFC north was better. Had Pittsburgh won 1 more game, you’d be  ranking Burrow below where you have Herbert here, because Justin had a much better season.

I'd put Burrow in the top 10... maybe not top 5.  But, he's also handicapped by his OL letting him get killed constantly.  The Bengals really need to get that fixed.

14 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Don’t get so enthralled with Burrow’s team’s playoff finish. His playoff performance was not particularly outstanding, his team’s defense was.

In the regular season they were a 7 loss team that only made the playoffs because no one else in the NFC north was better. Had Pittsburgh won 1 more game, you’d be  ranking Burrow below where you have Herbert here, because Justin had a much better season.

Herbert threw the ball more, but I'd say Burrow had the better season.  Considering he did it coming off of a blown-out knee made it even more spectacular.

16 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Herbert threw the ball more, but I'd say Burrow had the better season.  Considering he did it coming off of a blown-out knee made it even more spectacular.

based on what? Despite throwing that much less than Justin, Joe still had more turnovers. Burrow’s total QBR was pedestrian, Herbert’s was top 3.  Joe had half as many GWD’s, and was responsible for 20% fewer of his team’s 1st downs.

Justin was killing it last year

8 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

based on what? Burrow’s total QBR was pedestrian, Herbert’s was top 3.  Joe had half as many GWD’s, and was responsible for 20% fewer of his team’s 1st downs.

Justin was killing it last year

Based on completion percentage and yards per attempt.  Burrow led the NFL in both categories.  Burrow had already solidified himself as a top 10 QB before the playoffs even started.  70.4% completions is an insane level of play with a subpar OL 

I'm not wishing to spend a whole lot of time debating whether Herbert or Burrow is the better QB; I think they'll both be top 5 NFL QBs in the near future.  I do think folks under- appreciate what Burrow accomplished last season, though.

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Based on completion percentage and yards per attempt.  Burrow led the NFL in both categories.  Burrow had already solidified himself as a top 10 QB before the playoffs even started.  70.4% completions is an insane level of play with a subpar OL 

I'm not wishing to spend a whole lot of time debating whether Herbert or Burrow is the better QB; I think they'll both be top 5 NFL QBs in the near future.  I do think folks under- appreciate what Burrow accomplished last season, though.

Burrow has that "IT" factor. He's not going to last if they don't start protecting him better. That OL gave up an average of 3 sacks a game.

9 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

Honest question.

Does your employer know you are on an Eagles message board 24/7 - non - stop?

 

What is your point ??  Some of us have a job that affords us the luxury of being able to be on the board all day.  Some of us are the boss like @Outlaw, some of us have the time like @4for4EaglesNest.

I am on the board all day.  While I am on hold with vendors, architects, contractors, the Washington State department of L&I, electrical inspectors, I have plenty of time to post.

12 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Based on completion percentage and yards per attempt.  Burrow led the NFL in both categories.  Burrow had already solidified himself as a top 10 QB before the playoffs even started.  70.4% completions is an insane level of play with a subpar OL 

And did that while being the most sacked QB in the NFL.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He’s a drunk who gets owned on the reg.  Last thing that dork should worry about is my standing with my employer.    I might work a total of 10 hours next week.  We’ll see.   

I work a 40 hour week, and I put in about 50 hours of work, while spending 10 hours a week posting here, I am that good.

Eagles with more than I would have thought .

 

27 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Based on completion percentage and yards per attempt.  Burrow led the NFL in both categories.  Burrow had already solidified himself as a top 10 QB before the playoffs even started.  70.4% completions is an insane level of play with a subpar OL 

I'm not wishing to spend a whole lot of time debating whether Herbert or Burrow is the better QB; I think they'll both be top 5 NFL QBs in the near future.  I do think folks under- appreciate what Burrow accomplished last season, though.

Why would you base it off those two stats specifically? Leading the league in those two things is not directly indicative of any advantage over other, more polished QB’s, but moreso of his team’s in-game circumstances. It seems counterintuitive, but more successful deepball QBs generally have higher completion percentages, they go hand in hand. Look at Watson in 2020, Dak in 2019, Cousins basically his whole career. Do you regard those QB’s highly? Your list doesn’t corroborate that. They have bloated completion and YPA stats too.

Here is a list of aggregate statistics that can directly define (as objectively as possible) a QB’s value in helping his team win football games:

https://mfootballanalytics.com/2020/04/06/which-qb-stats-are-the-most-important/

1. QB EPA

Herbert - 120.3

Burrow - 79.4

Joe was 10th in the national football league in this category, Justin Herbert was best in the world.

 

2. Total QBR

Herbert - 65.6

Burrow - 54.3

With 50 being considered perfectly average, Burrow just dodged that distinction by placing 12th in the league. Justin was 3rd overall, with only 6 QB’s total breaking 60.

 

Statistical analysis that takes everything into account, including how they do in the 4th quarter, how they do on third down, how they do against good defenses vs bad defenses, how they do in short yardage situations, the red zone, how many drives result in points…. These say that Herbert wasn’t just way better than Burrow last year, he is one of the best QB’s on Earth right now.

This data indicates completion percentage advantage is the least indicative toward which QB is superior of those listed. And YPA isn’t much better

3 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Why would you base it off those two stats specifically? Leading the league in those two things is not directly indicative of any advantage over other, more polished QB’s, but moreso of his team’s in-game circumstances. Teams that have a higher ypa generally are behind a lot.

Got you covered @Alphagrand

And here are the numbers.  Burrow has his highest completion percentage, yards per attempt and air yards per attempt when the game is tied.  His air yards per attempt and completion percentage are higher when leading a game.  The only stat that is higher when trailing is yards per attempt, but the difference is minimal.

 

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Got you covered @Alphagrand

And here are the numbers.  Burrow has his highest completion percentage, yards per attempt and air yards per attempt when the game is tied.  His air yards per attempt and completion percentage are higher when leading a game.  The only stat that is higher when trailing is yards per attempt, but the difference is minimal.

 

Thank you, I’ll remove that single line in my overall post

2 hours ago, Vileborg said:

I can imagine Howie being upset about Wentz not playing. He traded the guy that won four playoff games and a super bowl and kept the guy that couldn't stay healthy and got bounced in his first playoff game. Wentz self reporting the concussion and pulling himself from the game could have sent him over the edge. We all know Howie has a huge ego.

I'm not sure Wentz was in a shape to argue back as he was heaving and dizzy. If this is even close to true which I'm very skeptical.

Uh, what? Dude was throwing up in the locker room, he didn’t have a choice to return or not.

 

21 minutes ago, downundermike said:

What is your point ??  Some of us have a job that affords us the luxury of being able to be on the board all day.  Some of us are the boss like @Outlaw, some of us have the time like @4for4EaglesNest.

I am on the board all day.  While I am on hold with vendors, architects, contractors, the Washington State department of L&I, electrical inspectors, I have plenty of time to post.

Being the owner of a business means I technically am always "on the clock." Thankfully I have a great team of employees who make my life far easier.

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I’ve put in my time.  But I am lucky, I have a good gig.  

Put in my time and money. Now my main job is to make sure I make great hires.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

LeSean McCoy, obviously racist.

25 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Eagles with more than I would have thought .

 

It makes sense. Hurts is an average QB, so we're in the middle of the pack (13 out of 32).

47 minutes ago, downundermike said:

What is your point ??  Some of us have a job that affords us the luxury of being able to be on the board all day.  Some of us are the boss like @Outlaw, some of us have the time like @4for4EaglesNest.

I am on the board all day.  While I am on hold with vendors, architects, contractors, the Washington State department of L&I, electrical inspectors, I have plenty of time to post.

If your employer polices you to that extent then it’s time for a new job. I’m given full autonomy to do whatever I want as long as my work gets done. It’s what adults do.