4 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

Mike McDaniel is super odd; I saw an interview of him at the Combine and thought he was stoned; not an issue but it turns out that is how he speaks.  He'll either be super over with the players or some will tune him out completely.

 

 

 

Mike and Nick are gonna break out the Laremy Tunsil gas mask next week after practice 

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

You are an excellent creator of autobiography.  Props to you.

Not to disparage TEagle, don't know him yet but that's some funny sht you just posted...

Love your subtle methodology.....

33 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Both DT and DE are positions that rotate two players at each of the four slots.  The wear and tear at those positions is greater than any other positions on the team.  Look back at the value of Chris Long and Beau Allen to understand the necessity of depth in the D-Line positions.

No denying that.  Reports are that both Marvin Wilson and Marlon Tuipulotu look much improved.  If that's the case, IMO, it makes Hargrave expendable.   You still have depth behind your impact players in Davis, Cox and Williams.  Again, if you look at Hargrave's last 3/4 of the season, he was invisible.  I'd think between Wilson and Tuipuloto that they could manage 1.5 sacks and 11 tackles.  

BG can still kick down and Milton Williams can kick out for a bigger line.  I'm not saying go light at DT, but if the younger guys are improving, I would much rather hang on to young, inexpensive talent that is trending up instead of keeping an aging, underproductive overpaid Hargrave.

 

 

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

No denying that.  Reports are that both Marvin Wilson and Marlon Tuipulotu look much improved.  If that's the case, IMO, it makes Hargrave expendable.   You still have depth behind your impact players in Davis, Cox and Williams.  Again, if you look at Hargrave's last 3/4 of the season, he was invisible.  I'd think between Wilson and Tuipuloto that they could manage 1.5 sacks and 11 tackles.  

BG can still kick down and Milton Williams can kick out for a bigger line.  I'm not saying go light at DT, but if the younger guys are improving, I would much rather hang on to young, inexpensive talent that is trending up instead of keeping an aging, underproductive overpaid Hargrave.

 

 

I'd take the Marvin Wilson and Tui talk with a grain of salt 

Much improved for them might be going from complete trash to passable bottom of the roster players.

Id rather take my chances with a proven commodity in Hargrave  than roll the dice with two unproven scrubs.

48 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Why? Because he’s a terrific player. Why part 2. If he leaves, and for a hefty contract which he clearly deserves, there’s a comp pick coming back. And why part 3. What possesses you to want to pull apart a defense that looks like it might be really good before they’ve ever played a game? Just nuts.

Javon Hargrave is DT3 on this team.  Trading him would not be pulling apart the defense one bit.  It gives more opportunities for Milton Williams, who I think can be a force.  His athleticism inside paired with Jordan Davis sheer size and strength is going to cause havoc.  Davis is going to command double and triple teams allowing Williams to win those inside battles where he has one guy on him.

I wouldn't call Hargrave terrific.  I think he's a solid DT but he's far too hot and cold.  Again, terrific players don't disappear for 3/4 of the season.  

The comp pick thing has been beaten to death.  Even if he signs a good contract somewhere else, there's no telling what the Eagles do.  Maybe they finally break the bank on a safety or CB2.  I would never keep a guy just for the chance he MIGHT bring back a comp pick.  

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

No denying that.  Reports are that both Marvin Wilson and Marlon Tuipulotu look much improved.  If that's the case, IMO, it makes Hargrave expendable.   You still have depth behind your impact players in Davis, Cox and Williams.  Again, if you look at Hargrave's last 3/4 of the season, he was invisible.  I'd think between Wilson and Tuipuloto that they could manage 1.5 sacks and 11 tackles.  

BG can still kick down and Milton Williams can kick out for a bigger line.  I'm not saying go light at DT, but if the younger guys are improving, I would much rather hang on to young, inexpensive talent that is trending up instead of keeping an aging, underproductive overpaid Hargrave.

 

 

Is that a move you would make now or let it play out over the season? Sunk costs and such.  

What's an expected return and benefit for moving Hargrave now?

12 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

No denying that.  Reports are that both Marvin Wilson and Marlon Tuipulotu look much improved.  If that's the case, IMO, it makes Hargrave expendable.   You still have depth behind your impact players in Davis, Cox and Williams.  Again, if you look at Hargrave's last 3/4 of the season, he was invisible.  I'd think between Wilson and Tuipuloto that they could manage 1.5 sacks and 11 tackles.  

BG can still kick down and Milton Williams can kick out for a bigger line.  I'm not saying go light at DT, but if the younger guys are improving, I would much rather hang on to young, inexpensive talent that is trending up instead of keeping an aging, underproductive overpaid Hargrave.

 

 

That is quite a jump from "much improved " to being productive at the NFL level… Hargrave was likely schemed for… not gonna happen with Reddick, Davis etc

12 minutes ago, Doc S. said:

Not to disparage TEagle, don't know him yet but that's some funny sht you just posted...

Love your subtle methodology.....

You two are quite the comedians.

Also, don’t know me yet? Been here a while. Haven’t seen you post until recently.

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I'd take the Marvin Wilson and Tui talk with a grain of salt 

Much improved for them might be going from complete trash to passable bottom of the roster players.

Id rather take my chances with a proven commodity in Hargrave  than roll the dice with two unproven scrubs.

Don't disagree that their improvement might not be much.  If they are at a Hassan Ridgeway level now I'd be more than happy.  I don't want or expect them to take over for Hargrave.  That's not the point.  They could add valuable, young, inexpensive depth.  

If you trade Hargrave, you're just giving more snaps to your investments...Jordan Davis and Milton Williams.  Those are the guys I want on the field as much as possible.  The 1st round pick you traded up for and is looking like a franchise player and the DT that your GM drafted and pissed off the other scouts.   

In no way am I saying trade Hargrave and give his snaps to Wilson or Tui.  

13 minutes ago, Doc S. said:

Not to disparage TEagle, don't know him yet but that's some funny sht you just posted...

Love your subtle methodology.....

I thought the Gif was his subtle way of telling you he changed his monicker.  

Corral done for the year 

Just now, bpac55 said:

Don't disagree that their improvement might not be much.  If they are at a Hassan Ridgeway level now I'd be more than happy.  I don't want or expect them to take over for Hargrave.  That's not the point.  They could add valuable, young, inexpensive depth.  

If you trade Hargrave, you're just giving more snaps to your investments...Jordan Davis and Milton Williams.  Those are the guys I want on the field as much as possible.  The 1st round pick you traded up for and is looking like a franchise player and the DT that your GM drafted and pissed off the other scouts.   

In no way am I saying trade Hargrave and give his snaps to Wilson or Tui.  

Not sold on Milton as being a solid DT2. He’s kind of a tweener. I fully expect them to extend Hargrave. Way too early to tell if guys like Marvin & Marlon pan out.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Corral done for the year 

Solid IR stash. They have their starter and backup for this year.

2 minutes ago, Doc S. said:

Is that a move you would make now or let it play out over the season? Sunk costs and such.  

What's an expected return and benefit for moving Hargrave now?

The Eagles have a clear need at safety, RB and I would argue, TE2.  If Hargrave can bring back a starter at safety, a RB2 that could also be a starter or a TE2 who isn't just a blocker than you have to consider it.  

Also, after watching Hard Knocks, I think a dark horse RB trade option could be D'Andre Swift.  I think Duce, as much as he sees the potential, could get tired of him quick.   

1 minute ago, Texas Eagle said:

You two are quite the comedians.

Also, don’t know me yet? Been here a while. Haven’t seen you post until recently.

Since 2001, nice to see ya!

Took some time off to avoid the Hurts bashing.

You seem a reasonable guy, informed, I look forward to some good Eagles talk with you.

No harm intended, moving forward?

Hargrave should stay. He is a key contributor to the rotation. Should be great this year since he has a chance to stay fresh. And I cant remember the last time our DT position wasnt decimated by injuries so Ill definitely keep the insurance.

A move I would like to see made (aside from a Reagor trade we all hope for) would be trading Harris if he has any value left. Start Epps and Tartt (I know he has been quiet but he is a pro who can play in the league, and is not washed up. He will be fine). Blankenship can back up both positions. Chachere  for STs. 

Not much established talent there. But I like the group based on what we have been seeing throughout camp. Good youth movement. And you can improve it next offseason if need be.

 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Corral done for the year 

he sucked anyway. Not a bad idea to redshirt him.

2 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Not sold on Milton as being a solid DT2. He’s kind of a tweener. I fully expect them to extend Hargrave. Way too early to tell if guys like Marvin & Marlon pan out.

 

He doesn't have to be DT2 yet.  He can be DT3 this year while Marvin/Marlon fill out the bottom DT4/5.  You see how all three of them play this year and next year you might have DT1-4 with valuable experience.  Even if only one of Marvin/Marlon develop, you know the Eagles will address DT in the draft and FA.  

I just think the addition of Jordan Davis and his development/focus have made Hargrave expendable.   I also think Hargrave isn't worth extending.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

 

He doesn't have to be DT2 yet.  He can be DT3 this year while Marvin/Marlon fill out the bottom DT4/5.  You see how all three of them play this year and next year you might have DT1-4 with valuable experience.  Even if only one of Marvin/Marlon develop, you know the Eagles will address DT in the draft and FA.  

I just think the addition of Jordan Davis and his development/focus have made Hargrave expendable.   I also think Hargrave isn't worth extending.

Sooo many needs though. Why not extend Hargrave and focus on the secondary/DE in FA/draft? (Unless of course Hurts doesn’t pan out, then we have even less to work with)

7 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

You two are quite the comedians.

Also, don’t know me yet? Been here a while. Haven’t seen you post until recently.

I think you changed your Avatar and online name since Doc was on here last. @Doc S. has been a long time poster on the Blog but recently took a break and I think you made the change since that time. Perhaps if you shared your earlier identity with him, he might recognize you.  Frankly, I thought that was what your gif was poking at and interpreted Matt’s dig as a play on that.  

Just now, BigEFly said:

I think you changed your Avatar and online name since Doc was on here last. @Doc S. has been a long time poster on the Blog but recently took a break and I think you made the change since that time. Perhaps if you shared your earlier identity with him, he might recognize you.  Frankly, I thought that was what your gif was poking at and interpreted Matt’s dig as a play on that.  

Used to be Eaglesflyers#1 but changed that name for obvious reasons

1 minute ago, Texas Eagle said:

Sooo many needs though. Why not extend Hargrave and focus on the secondary/DE in FA/draft? (Unless of course Hurts doesn’t pan out, then we have even less to work with)

Hargrave is an over 30 DT on his second contract.  I think barring a decrease in salary, that’s the kind of extension we have seen too much of from Howie. 

3 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Used to be Eaglesflyers#1 but changed that name for obvious reasons

@Doc S.   I am pretty sure Eaglesflyers#1 was posting when you took time off.  Recognize him now?

Texas Eagle, did you give any consideration to Eagles and Comcast profit #1.  I jest.  

Just now, BigEFly said:

Hargrave is an over 30 DT on his second contract.  I think barring a decrease in salary, that’s the kind of extension we have seen too much of from Howie. 

Yeah I would still take a 1-2 year extension while we work things out at QB, DE, CB, S. Soon enough we will need to start thinking RT as well.

17 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Javon Hargrave is DT3 on this team.  Trading him would not be pulling apart the defense one bit.  It gives more opportunities for Milton Williams, who I think can be a force.  His athleticism inside paired with Jordan Davis sheer size and strength is going to cause havoc.  Davis is going to command double and triple teams allowing Williams to win those inside battles where he has one guy on him.

I wouldn't call Hargrave terrific.  I think he's a solid DT but he's far too hot and cold.  Again, terrific players don't disappear for 3/4 of the season.  

The comp pick thing has been beaten to death.  Even if he signs a good contract somewhere else, there's no telling what the Eagles do.  Maybe they finally break the bank on a safety or CB2.  I would never keep a guy just for the chance he MIGHT bring back a comp pick.  

DT3?  Who do you have ahead of him?  Everything I have seen indicates he is DT1.

4 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Sooo many needs though. Why not extend Hargrave and focus on the secondary/DE in FA/draft? (Unless of course Hurts doesn’t pan out, then we have even less to work with)

Again, I think Jordan Davis and Milton Williams make Hargrave expendable.  He's no an asset that can help this team fill one of those needs.  

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

DT3?  Who do you have ahead of him?  Everything I have seen indicates he is DT1.

Fletcher Cox and Jordan Davis. 

My understanding is that Davis will be primarily used in odd man fronts.