18 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The conference has plunged so deep into mediocrity that I'm not even sure who to root against during the bye week.  

NYG and Dallas...meh...we've got 3 games head to head against them and you have to believe in the Eagles taking care of their own business.

I do think the Rams will sort a few things out and will be a factor in the playoffs, but they are on a bye.  We have the Vikings head to head, but I think they are going to ring up a lot of wins this year...bye.  It would be nice to see the Bucs and Packers get driven under .500.  That pushes them completely out of the #1 seed discussion.

I'll probably root for our draft pick with the Cards on Thursday (although I don't think I hate myself enough to watch much of that game) and will pull for Doug against the Giants on Sunday.

When drawing out my rooting guide, I find myself focusing entirely on how to push that Saints pick higher. I kinda already assume we're gonna be the #1 seed. Wild.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I wouldn’t even go as far as to say he shouldn’t be extended.  I just want to see more.

At his current level of development, they can't afford to extend him for the crazy numbers other QBs are getting.  

 

Something to look at during the bye week.

Scoring by Quarter.

1st 2.3 ppg.
2nd 18.7 ppg
3rd 2.8 ppg
4th 3.0 ppg

 

Way more than half of the points come in the 2nd quarter.    That's good... and bad.

15 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Only people who see "politics” or agenda are those mindless enough to look for it.  Not surprising you’re one of those people.  Enjoy your hangover.  

No hangover.  As for being "mindless” I’ll take that as a compliment coming from you. 

19 minutes ago, RLC said:

Hurts is playing like a top 10 QB right now. He's good enough to get to the SB. 

Hurts' should not be extended given his playing style.

Both things can be true.

I don’t agree with either of those. 

Don’t think Hurts is a top 10 QB but an extension seems inevitable because who we going to get that’s better… definitely won’t find a better all around athlete. 

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You just don't get it.  TNF is the product being discussed, not the NFL, not the level of teams in the NFL.  TNF is a NATIONAL product.  It is a showcase game.  You know that it is meant to be a showcase game, because it is pumped up and marketed separately from the rest of the Sunday lineup.  The bad games on Sunday don't get NATIONAL exposure, they are tucked away and hidden from view everywhere but the local areas of those teams, and sometimes its even hidden from the local area with the blackout.  

TNF, aka, the forcing of every team to play on short rest, because they can't ask the good teams to play marquee matchups on short rest repeatedly through out the year.  They have to 'spread out the pain' to the entire league, and that's where you get the garbage matchups and bad teams getting a 'showcase'.  TNF is bad.  I laid out the lineup for you between TNF's slate of games and MNF's.  Dramatically different quality.  And if you look at the MNF games you'll notice that multiple teams show up there multiple times.  🤔.  Meanwhile, if you check the TNF schedule, you'll see not a single repeat of any team... ever.   🤔.   There's a reason for that.

 

TNF is successful for the NFL, because it provides a revenue stream that wouldn't exist without it.  And like I said, FOX and CBS don't care to lose one game a week, because they still get to broadcast in the host cities of the teams involved on TNF on Sunday afternoons, and a lot of those fans still tune in.  So, they pay the same as before, but now the NFL can get someone else to pay for another slate of games and rake in more money.   Forget that the matchups are pretty much lousy more often than not.  They are making money.   But, they only make money, if we tune in to that dreck.  It's one of the reasons I don't tune in for it, except for once a year.

 

One day you'll figure out that TNF is a separate entity, just as MNF and just as SNF, etc.  SNF, TNF and MNF are 'showcase games' each and every week, as much as CBS got to 'showcase' the Bills-Chiefs yesterday afternoon as their national broadcast game.  The NFL got that right and made sure that CBS got to showcase that matchup.  That type of matchup is what makes us fans.  If we were subjected to the likes of Chicago-Washington routinely, we'd never have become fans in the first place.  Those types of games should be visible only to the local audience, and not shared with the rest of the country.  TNF forces everyone that's hankering for NFL football to tune in.  The NFL knows their fan base are in large part sheep, and/or gambling addicts who can't not put some money on the game and then have a rooting interest... even if its fantasy players.  TNF remains a bad product, when it is looked at in isolation as just the game on the field, not the gambling impacts, the fantasy piece, etc.  Just the football that is played.  That is bad football, and it is broadcast nationally, by design.  

Lol welcome to an argument with Bacarty. It never ends well....pig in the mud, and all that. 

6 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Again, JFC with the long post.

1- I know how the scheduling works

2) I dont care about marquee matchups or advertising dollars each week

2- I know MNF and SNF should** have a better match up each week

3- Bolded part is part of my overall point. Short rest has nothing to do with bad teams being bad. 

I'll put it this way.. If TNF had the same scheduling rules and requirements but were forced to play Monday Night at 6pm, IT WOULD STILL BE A crap GAME!!!!!

It has everything to do with why each team has to be put on there... 

The argument isn't that the NFL has bad matchups each week.  Duh.  Obvious.   The argument is that TNF now highlights it.   You even heard it, if you watched the Bills-Chiefs.  Nance made fun of the dreck that is TNF when the Bills-Chiefs were 3-0.  (Even though the game was far more exciting than that score would indicate.)

 

BTW, yes... it would still be a bad product on MNF if they forced that with the same rules as TNF.  But the NFL doesn't want to do that with MNF... because they recognize it as bad.  So, they don't.  They try to make it a game many people WANT to see.   You just made my argument for me.  TNF is bad because of the way that they have to fill the roster of matchups.    I rest my case.

8 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Why do you say that?

Folks are to happy in the moment, I am playing the long game, and there is things that need to be cleaned up to win in the playoffs.

Look, I think we're all ecstatic that we're 6-0 headed into a much needed bye, and that we just thumped the Cowboys. It's f'in awesome.

 

But, there are certainly things to be critical of, and this is where we discuss them. Just because we want to discuss things, doesn't mean we aren't enjoying the ride. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Something to look at during the bye week.

Scoring by Quarter.

1st 2.3 ppg.
2nd 18.7 ppg
3rd 2.8 ppg
4th 3.0 ppg

 

Way more than half of the points come in the 2nd quarter.    That's good... and bad.

This really needs fixing. It can't just be coincidence at this point. I've been wondering whether it's a schematic thing where other teams are analysing the first half and making good adjustments for the 2nd half, which we struggle to adjust to ourselves. Or... is it more of a mentality/conservative play calling thing where we just go into "safe mode" trying to not lose the game?

@4for4EaglesNest

Completion percentage 66.8%, 252 passing yards/game, 3 TD:1INT.   I got a slight edge everywhere for now but it's still close

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That’s all fine and good.  But doesn’t explain the lack of production in the 1st quarter.  It’s just odd.  

How many times have we had the ball first? How many scoring drives started in the first quarter? This is part of the answer you are seeking. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That’s all fine and good.  But doesn’t explain the lack of production in the 1st quarter.  It’s just odd.  

True. Although I have noticed a number of times this season where a drive has started in Q1 but the points actually get scored in the beginning of Q2. So the points get attributed to Q2 but they were the result of some good Q1 play.

I'm curious if there's a stat of our D turnovers forced by quarter. It might be that the O is running up the board in Q2 because the D is getting a lot of turnovers in that Q?

I've seen a few Pat McAfee clips with him saying "Jawn" when talking about Philly and then there was that sign during the Phils game. Can someone please educate me on this Philly slang? How do you use it in a sentence? Origin?

4 minutes ago, bbabraham said:

This really needs fixing. It can't just be coincidence at this point. I've been wondering whether it's a schematic thing where other teams are analysing the first half and making good adjustments for the 2nd half, which we struggle to adjust to ourselves. Or... is it more of a mentality/conservative play calling thing where we just go into "safe mode" trying to not lose the game?

The futility of the other 3 quarters is a big issue.  They are far and away the top 2nd quarter team.   But near the bottom in every other quarter.

1st - 24th
2nd - 1st. (More than 6 points higher than #2, 8 points higher than #3, and more than double everyone else in the league.)
3rd - 24th
4th - 28th

 

 

7 minutes ago, bbabraham said:

True. Although I have noticed a number of times this season where a drive has started in Q1 but the points actually get scored in the beginning of Q2. So the points get attributed to Q2 but they were the result of some good Q1 play.

I'm curious if there's a stat of our D turnovers forced by quarter. It might be that the O is running up the board in Q2 because the D is getting a lot of turnovers in that Q?

That happens across the league though.  Quarter 2 has a higher scoring rate than Quarter 1.  But ranked against the rest of the league, the Eagles are an anomaly.  No other team has such a skewed scoring breakdown.

4 minutes ago, bbabraham said:

I've seen a few Pat McAfee clips with him saying "Jawn" when talking about Philly and then there was that sign during the Phils game. Can someone please educate me on this Philly slang? How do you use it in a sentence? Origin?

Jawn is any noun.  

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The futility of the other 3 quarters is a big issue.  They are far and away the top 2nd quarter team.   But near the bottom in every other quarter.

1st - 24th
2nd - 1st. (More than 6 points higher than #2, 8 points higher than #3, and more than double everyone else in the league.)
3rd - 24th
4th - 28th

 

 

Yeah. And 2nd quarter goes beyond just being #1 in the league. It's #1 (or close to #1) all time - depending on the specifics of how the stat is framed.

5 minutes ago, bbabraham said:

I've seen a few Pat McAfee clips with him saying "Jawn" when talking about Philly and then there was that sign during the Phils game. Can someone please educate me on this Philly slang? How do you use it in a sentence? Origin?

It's an substitute for any noun. 

Just now, DEagle7 said:

It's an substitute for any noun. 

And its been around for decades but I guess it’s not really a Philly secret anymore.

I still have lingering doubts on Hurts, but hanging what should've been 27pts against that defense isn't something I'm gonna try to downplay (even with short fields.) Not exactly sure what was asked of him last night as part of the game plan, but he didn't turn the ball over and still made plays when he needed to. Would I like to see better results when facing a blitz? Of course. Would I like to see better accuracy on 3rd down at times? Sure. Would it be nice if he could take a deep shot every now and then to lighten up the box load? Maybe, but I don't know yet what coverages they were in and what exactly he was seeing. 

In the meantime, I'll enjoy the win and try to exercise patience, since we might not have answers to any of the open questions for a while yet considering the rest of our schedule.

Man winning brings out the strangest behavior in Eagles fans...

 

It definitely wasnt the dream scenario where Hurts beats the Cowboys with his arm.  But there were some real positives, and the Eagles were clearly the better team.

As a former Wentz defender and Hurts doubter, I will say this: Wentz would have had multiple turnovers yesterday and Im not sure we hold onto that lead.   

 

I was disappointed we didnt see any max protect with some deep shots.  Really no deep shots at all.   I don't think they trusted the OL after Lane went down, but that's probably the right call because we were running the ball well.

The offense got cute and the defense got lazy, and we almost pissed it away. That 15 play, 93 yard TD drive to pull within 3 was horrific.  The tackling and effort were very poor.

But good teams rise to the occasion and they scored the TD when they absolutely had to.   I have a feeling we handle the Cowboys im Dallas and beat them even worse, Dak or not.  But that's for later.

13 minutes ago, bbabraham said:

I've seen a few Pat McAfee clips with him saying "Jawn" when talking about Philly and then there was that sign during the Phils game. Can someone please educate me on this Philly slang? How do you use it in a sentence? Origin?

I think it's supposed to be the word "joint" with a Philly accent. Watch the movie Creed. That's how I heard about it.

52 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't like unnecessary shuffling and I acknowledge that we won't be seeing Micah Parsons every week, but I think Dillard LT / Mailata RT when Lane goes down is going to be a better option than Mailata / Driscoll.

 

Driscoll is a liability.  We know how great Stoutland is, there is NO DENYING his coaching abilities.  However, the fact that they can't get Dillard to play RT is maddening.  He's in his 4th year in the NFL and has had the best coach at his position for all 4 years.  If he could play RT that would solve so many issues going forward.  It would offer the Eagles a legit swing tackle who you can plug in when Mailata or Johnson go down.  It would also give you a plan to replace Lane down the road if Dillard could just manage at RT.  

56 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Just want to check in on how @RememberTheKoy is doing this morning with ELITZZZ defense letting up 26. with no take aways I might add.

While the "good" Eagles defense dominated for 41 minutes and had 3 turn overs. 

 

Great showing for Hurts and the Eagles offense to perform well against the best defense they will face all season.