7 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

This is the NCAA rule:

1. Secures firm control with the hand(s) or arm(s) of a live ball in flight
before the ball touches the ground, and

2. Touches the ground in bounds with any part of his body, and then

3. Maintains control of the ball long enough to enable him to perform an act common to the game, i.e., long enough to pitch or hand the ball, advance it, avoid or ward off an opponent, etc.

His second hand initially was on the ball and came off of the ball and it seems pretty obvious that the ball moves while he's sliding across the ground.  Once his second hand comes off the ball and the ball moves it's not firm control.   I know you think it didn't move but it did and the refs had a much better view than what we are going to see online.     

I don't think it moved.  A hand came off but ball didn't move on the hand that possessed it.

The fact that it hit the ground and still didn't budge in that hand helps demonstrate possession even more so. Not less.

You say the ball moved.  None of the angles on TV that had very clear views of the ball showed ball movement.

Announcers mentioned hand came off. Mentioned ball touched ground. They thought it was incomplete.  But not even they mentioned ball movement.  It didn't. They,  and the ref, just got it wrong. 

2 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Okay, now explain how he made second team all pro if, checks notes, Bleacher Report felt he had a "sub-par" season.

Pro Bowl is not the same as All Pro.

9 minutes ago, downundermike said:

And I posted a pretty clear picture of his right hand not on the ball and his left hand pinning it to the ground.

He didn't pin it. He had possession of it already. It just happened to touch the ground. 

7 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Maybe they should fine referees for being so blatantly wrong.

They should. 

7 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Remember when Tampa Bay couldn't win a game below freezing? 

The Vet Remembers. 

i cussed the hell out of McNabb and fat Andy

55 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'm keeping track of any type of hot take/prediction too if you want to give one

@LeanMeanGM  Eagles 12-5. BONUS: DeVonta has more receiving yards and touchdowns than Brown.

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

Pro Bowl is not the same as All Pro.

He was both a Pro Bowler, and 2nd team All-Pro.

10 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I suspect I hate Penn State as much as anyone here. I didn’t watch the game. After hearing about the catch this morning, I looked at it. And even this longtime Nittany Lion hater had to admit that wasn't a catch. Yeah, his hands touched the ball before it hit the ground, but the ground helped him secure it. That’s an easy overturned call. 

As a true Penn State fan, thank you.
 

Side note - I’d piss all over touchdown Jesus 

Wtf is happening in here? Arguing about Jason Peters trade value when Obama was still President, and arguing a call between two irrelevant NCAA teams? We got the Lions in nine days, people.

26 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Too soon.  I want a QB.  Having Pick 1 allows me to have my choice of the litter.  Is the right QB there, then no price makes me trade that pick.  If not, then I listen to offers.

With Will Anderson and Myles Murphy looking like candidates for the top pick, I think you can get your QB at pick #2 or pick #3.

The draft day picks trade history is interesting

For example:

St. Louis Rams received:

• Picks No. 6, 39 in the 2012 draft
• Pick No. 22 in the 2013 draft
• Pick 2 in the 2014 draft

Washington Redskins received: 

• Pick No. 2 in the 2012 draft

Here's another example:

Chargers took Mississippi's Manning first overall despite knowing he didn't want to play in San Diego. The Giants then took NC State's Rivers with the fourth overall selection. New York soon sent Rivers, a third-round selection and 2005 first- and fifth-round picks to the Chargers for Manning.

And another example:

1998 —  Chargers Move Up for Leaf

• Chargers received: No. 2 overall pick, which they used to select Ryan Leaf
• Cardinals received: 1998 first rounder (No. 3), 1998 second rounder (No. 33), 1999 first rounder (No 8), WR Eric Metcalf, LB Patrick Sapp 

And another

Falcons land Steve Bartkowski (1975)

The trade: Atlanta sends its first-round pick (No. 3 overall) and perennial Pro Bowl right tackle George Kunz to the Colts for their first-round pick (No. 1 overall) and a sixth-round pick.

17 minutes ago, UndyTaker said:

He good. The end.

I see what you did ... 😇

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Minnesota is not going to be easy, you know Justin Jefferson is going to come out and be sure that everyone is clear we made the wrong choice, and you know Reagor will have some type of impact on the game, just because that is how these things work out.

@Detroit, week 1, you never know.

@Washington will be interesting, and Wentz will probably have his best game of the wear that week, just because that is how these things work out.

Then you get Doug Pederson the following week.

Week 8 after the buy, Steelers have the personnel to do exactly what Tampa Bay did in the playoffs to Hurts, but do they have enough offense.

I think 4-3 after the first 7 is realistic.

Fair enough. 👍🏻

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

With Will Anderson and Myles Murphy looking like candidates for the top pick, I think you can get your QB at pick #2 or pick #3.

You don't take the risk when a QB is at stake.  Don't play, get your QB.  We'll see if the right one is there.

22 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Mega hyped edge rusher. Will be the first non-QB taken. Plays for Alabama

Here @mattwill a decent little primer

Thanks.  I hope that doesn't make you old.

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Steelers won the Super Bowl after the 2008 season.  They lost to the Eagles in Philly 15-6 that year, what is your point ??

That trends are usually trends for a reason. The Steelers have not won in Philly since 1965. They are a team in transition this year and are not great.

If you are predicting wins/loses over the year, you have to take into consideration trends and how teams play each other. If the Eagles were going to Pittsburgh, I would probably agree that it would be a tough game and they would most likely lose. This years Pittsburgh's team coming to Philly after a bye? I highly doubt they win this game.

Of course things can change with injuries and what not, but looking at this game on paper today? Unlikely.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You don't take the risk when a QB is at stake.  Don't play, get your QB.  We'll see if the right one is there.

If you know that your trading partner is going to take Anderson with #1, where is the risk if your new pick is #2?

Just now, mattwill said:

If you know that your trading partner is going tom take Anderson, where is the risk if your new pick is #2?

Double cross... or they trade with someone else.  When it comes to a QB, I prefer not to chance anything.... take your QB at #1. 

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He was both a Pro Bowler, and 2nd team All-Pro.

And as proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, it was absurd that he was a pro bowler or a second team all pro.

I love Will Anderson as a prospect.  My guess is, if the Eagles had a chance to draft him that they would play him at SAM?  As good as he is, he doesn't have the body to play DE in the NFL.  The Eagles just gave a very large contract to Hasson Reddick.  

If the Eagles don't use Reddick to his strengths and he is dropping in to coverage more than he should and only has 5-6 sacks and are then in position to draft Anderson, I would have to pass on that.  It would be pointless to use a high draft pick on a player they would have no idea how to use.  Unless Gannon is gone and a new DC comes in and vows to be creative.  It would be almost as crazy as using the 10th pick in the draft and then trading a 1st for a WR followed by a $100 million contract when you have a run heavy offense.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

And as proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, it was absurd that he was a pro bowler or a second team all pro.

Sure.  Doesn't change the fact that he was though, does it?

Just now, bpac55 said:

I love Will Anderson as a prospect.  My guess is, if the Eagles had a chance to draft him that they would play him at SAM?  As good as he is, he doesn't have the body to play DE in the NFL.  The Eagles just gave a very large contract to Hasson Reddick.  

If the Eagles don't use Reddick to his strengths and he is dropping in to coverage more than he should and only has 5-6 sacks and are then in position to draft Anderson, I would have to pass on that.  It would be pointless to use a high draft pick on a player they would have no idea how to use.  Unless Gannon is gone and a new DC comes in and vows to be creative.  It would be almost as crazy as using the 10th pick in the draft and then trading a 1st for a WR followed by a $100 million contract when you have a run heavy offense.

Give this man a prize, dropping fact after fact.

100% agree with this post.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Sure.  Doesn't change the fact that he was though, does it?

But you are using that to say he played well, he did not, and did not deserve either.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Give this man a prize, dropping fact after fact.

100% agree with this post.

But you are using that to say he played well, he did not, and did not deserve either.

I'm using it to show that he was both, nothing more or less.  @BigEFly said that the Pro Bowl is different from All-Pro, which is true.   And Peters was named both.   Also true.  

 

BTW... most of what was in bpac's post were opinions.  

48 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Oddly...I think the Jets, Lions, Texans and Jags will all do better than most think. And I think all will be better than the Saints at the end of the year. 

Lions got close in a lot of games last year.  I think Pep Hamilton and Davis Mills are going to surprise some folks and Lovie Smith knows how to coach defenses.  I suspect both the Jets and Jags rise to mediocre this year.  

9 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

That trends are usually trends for a reason. The Steelers have not won in Philly since 1965. They are a team in transition this year and are not great.

If you are predicting wins/loses over the year, you have to take into consideration trends and how teams play each other. If the Eagles were going to Pittsburgh, I would probably agree that it would be a tough game and they would most likely lose. This years Pittsburgh's team coming to Philly after a bye? I highly doubt they win this game.

Of course things can change with injuries and what not, but looking at this game on paper today? Unlikely.

That's a pattern, not a trend

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Give this man a prize, dropping fact after fact.

100% agree with this post.

But you are using that to say he played well, he did not, and did not deserve either.

47 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I agree.  My prediction has them going 7-2 over those first 9 games

Lions	Win	1-0
Vikings	Win	2-0
Commanders	Win but close	3-0
Jaguars	Win	4-0
Cardinals	Loss	4-1
Cowboys	Win	5-1
Bye
Steelers	Win	6-1
Texans	Win	7-1
Commanders	Loss but close	7-2
Colts	Win	8-2
Packers	Win but close	9-2
Titans	Win	10-2
Giants	Win	11-2
Bears	Win	12-2
Cowboys	Loss but close	12-3
Saints	Win	13-3
Giants	Tossup	13.5-3.5

@LeanMeanGM  Are half games allowed in predictions?