21 minutes ago, UndyTaker said:

Theres just a clear difference in how some fans view and watch games vs others. You and his believers watched Hurts on Sunday and saw the offense put up 31 points while he had a great connection with AJ Brown and he made a lot of plays with his legs and got some big first downs. 

Others like myself watched him on Sunday and saw the bigger picture. That his type of play like he showed vs the Lions will not get it done in the playoffs. It can only go so far. If a QB can not read through his progressions before and after the snap, and if that QB does not have the arm strength to make certain types of throws...then they are inevitably doomed and will lose vs better teams with better defenses in the biggest of stages. We have seen it time and time again. 

You watched what happened Sunday and are happy and hopeful long term. We watched what happened on Sunday and we see a waste of time, because we know there is no happy ending, and I think thats pretty much the major difference between fans. Some see short term success and thats all it takes to make them happy and hopeful, while others are always looking at what it takes to win the Superbowl because at the end of the day nothing else matters. Its about what does it take to win the Superbowl and if you dont have what it takes then its a waste of a season and its disappointing for us.....and that leads to extreme takes like "he played god awful". We know he didnt play god awful, but we are disappointed because this whole season is a waste of time and a waste of talent around the QB.

Not sure it could be said any better than this right here.

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Fruit cup. That sounds good right now. Would be a good palate cleanser after that Chipotle burrito. 

So you don’t even know what the agenda is that you’re accusing others of having. You just talk to say words. Got it.

14 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

My initial take on McPhearson winning STs player of the week was, geez all he did was catch an onside kick like you are trained to do.  But on watching the All 22, there is more.  He was very good on blocking on returns.  Except for the play where he ran into Covey, so was Pascal.   I suspect at some point we are going to see returns start to develop as Covey gets more used to NFL speed.  I joke about using the 53rd spot but I would just keep Covey active.  

I was thinking the same thing.  Geez, he catches one onside kick and wins the award?  Good to know he did more.   I agree that as the season goes on and they mesh more we are going to see Covey break some.

2 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

I've seen Hurts play like a real QB at times. Not consistently, obviously, and I don't believe we'll ever see it consistently, but I can at least talk myself into thinking he could get hot during a playoff run because he's shown flashes.

I have zero faith in Gannon. None. He's shown nothing. He's the biggest question mark on the team BY FAR despite having the personnel to be a top 10 unit.

That's the whole point.  If everything is perfect, he can QB like a real pro.   If something is a bit amiss, its athleticism to the rescue.

Just now, Texas Eagle said:

So you don’t even know what the agenda is that you’re accusing others of having. You just talk to say words. Got it.

If you can’t figure out peoples’ Hurts agendas in here then you’re just a lost cause bro. 

Just now, EaglePhan1986 said:

If you can’t figure out peoples’ Hurts agendas in here then you’re just a lost cause bro. 

You can’t put the words together to explain what it is because you don’t even know. You’re just using the word of the month to try and make a point. But you don’t even know what that point is. Sounds like you’re the lost one.

3 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

We beat a 3-win team by 3 points; what's not to get excited about??  It was a win, on the road, in Week 1 where a lot of favorites crapped the bed.  That's the good news.

I was listening to NFL Radio last night and the hosts were downplaying the Vikings win over the Packers and talking about how much more difficult their game against the Eagles was going to be.  I wish I shared their optimism.

Tbh not to downplay a good win but the Vikings always play Green Bay really well at home. They’ve had some mediocre teams and still beaten good packers teams over that time.  it’s why i took the Vikings in a parlay this past weekend. The packers are 2-5 in their last 7 games at Minnesota. Held GB to 20.6 ppg in those 7 games. 

the bigger fear for me is cousins has pretty much looked like a pro bowler most of his career against us outside of one game in 2017. He’s 6-3 with a 104.9 passer rating, averaging 67% completion, 306 passing yards per game and a 21-6 td to int ratio. 

5 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

They had like 3 3 and outs in a row and really settled in pretty well after the 1st drive.  That's why we were able to build a pretty comfortable lead. 

We had some PDs by the secondary,  and the pick 6. There was a time in that game where they looked great flying around making plays. 

They completely collapsed for the entire second half.  Mostly because Detroit began exploiting Maddox and Edward's in coverage over and over again. 

At half time both Hockenson and St Brown had 6 targets each,  but only 3 catches for like 30  yards or less. I think I recall 27 for one of them when I checked.  We had them handled.  Till they just targeted them while Maddox or Edward's were on them. 

We had a couple nice blitzes on those drives, but I thought the Lions stopped themselves more than we stopped them. Regardless, those 3 stops are nothing relative to the 35 points that were scored going up and down the field.

I did think the pass defense was okay. Not good, especially considering it was Jared Goff, but not completely terrible. The run defense on the other hand...

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

Defense should win some snaps. I saw Hurts bail on a clean pocket once where there was an open receiver watching the All 22 and in that case Dickerson was clearly at least three yards downfield. Overall the best play on the field Sunday was Lane (one misstep that I saw, I don’t blame him for the overloads), Brown,  Sanders (wonder if because of the hammy if he was on a snap count), then Hurts.  Kelce shined at times but looked a bit rusty.  Mailata makes some miscues but then bam.  Loved the play where he was lead blocker on the TD run and was almost like a mammoth fullback.  Not clean OL play yesterday. TEs were hot and cold blocking. 

As usual, I seem to be the only one who paid attention to Seumalo enough to see that he played well. Sanders bounced outside once on an OZ right when the alley was inside the numbers. Other than that he was very good. Good pass pro blocks as well. I agree about Lane and Kelce. Mailata had an early whiff but settled down. Detroit took a number of cheap shots and he was right there to express his disapproval. Stoll blocked better than Goedert. Togiai had a drop. Smith had a drop and a catch negated by penalty. Quez was a rumor.

2 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

You can’t put the words together to explain what it is because you don’t even know. You’re just using the word of the month to try and make a point. But you don’t even know what that point is. Sounds like you’re the lost one.

Let me know the word of the month next month and I’ll come up with something else that’s simple yet dumbfounds a good ole boy from Texas 

2 hours ago, austinfan said:

This is the kind of meaningless analysis that ignores scheme.

RPO throws are going to be close to the LOS for obvious reasons, the throw has to come out before the OL get downfield. So unless you account for the RPOs, then analyze each passing play to determine if there were open targets downfield (you want to reward a QB for throwing into coverage?), those numbers are useless. Which is why metrics have become more sophisticated, but useful metrics are more labor intensive.

Then you completely missed the point.  Our scheme, which is based on Hurts' limitations, means that the throws are quick and close to the LOS.  Generally, Hurts and RPOs aren't what is happening, please update your talking points.  Hurts runs ROs, and he throws the ball from the Shotgun.  That doesn't make the throw an RPO.  RPOs means he's actually reading a defender and making the decision to give it away or keep it to throw quickly, meanwhile the OL is run blocking.  He was slow last year on those reads, the OL got downfield and we got penalized... frequently.   So they went away from RPOs with him.   I didn't study it during the game, but I'm pretty sure there were actually very few RPOs that were run.  @justrelax I've got an assignment for you, if you are willing.  How many actual RPOs were there in the game?

 

Meanwhile, the reason that was a valuable bit of analysis is that it shows that even while he was statistically good, his style remains very much the same, and that means the same type of defense that shut him down last year can do it again.   Crowd the LOS, overload the right side, take away the quick throws,  and force him left where he can't throw downfield (lots of ugly throw aways on Sunday running to his left... and one that should have been grounding).    

So, is it useless to show that the middle of the field is only used for screen passes, and that he's only throwing slants to Brown and no one else?   I saw nothing in the game Sunday that shows me that a team should ever play with 2 deep safeties.  On the contrary, it made me almost think that they should just play with 9 in the box.  Maybe only 8 and bracket Brown.

9 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

On the Duffy/Cosell podcast they pointed out that 4 of the 5 longest runs were on likely passing downs.

1 2-11-DET 24 (14:27) D.Swift left tackle to PHI 26 for 50 yards (D.Slay).
4 1-10-DET 20 (12:37) D.Swift up the middle to DET 38 for 18 yards (M.Epps).
3 3-10-DET 25 (9:04) (Shotgun) D.Swift up the middle pushed ob at DET 41 for 16 yards (J.Bradberry).
2 2-10-PHI 42 (4:34) D.Swift left tackle to PHI 29 for 13 yards (M.Epps).
1 2-20-PHI 25 (12:19) (Shotgun) D.Swift up the middle to PHI 14 for 11 yards (M.Epps; A.Maddox).

Those four plays were half of their rushing yardage (90/181).  A reasonable person could understand why we weren't in a 5-man front with Davis on the field on those downs.  It still doesn't absolve the play of the eleven on the field, however.

Piggybacking on this, on Detroit's first possession they ran the ball six times and passed three. 

On the next four possessions they ran a total of once.

Bad coaching, methinks.

t i t for tat. Also, this is under the 6 day window - unless the move was made yesterday.

Edit: Read Vikings instead of Lions because I had too many Lone Stars and moonshine last night in Texas.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh not to downplay a good win but the Vikings always play Green Bay really well at home. They’ve had some mediocre teams and still beaten good packers teams over that time.  it’s why i took the Vikings in a parlay this past weekend. The packers are 2-5 in their last 7 games at Minnesota. Held GB to 20.6 ppg in those 7 games. 

the bigger fear for me is cousins has pretty much looked like a pro bowler most of his career against us outside of one game in 2017. He’s 6-3 with a 104.9 passer rating, averaging 67% completion, 306 passing yards per game and a 21-6 td to int ratio. 

The sins we pay for laughing at Kirk Cousins MVP talk.

24 minutes ago, UndyTaker said:

You think QBs only use their mouths to audible in a loud stadium?????

If you paid attention you could see that he changed plays several times. Hand signals only do so much, especially with some of the exotic blitzes Detroit was dialing up.

10 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's the whole point.  If everything is perfect, he can QB like a real pro.   If something is a bit amiss, its athleticism to the rescue.

This is a good summary of Hurts.

You can't discount that athleticism, of course, but it lowers his ceiling.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

May be reading too much into this. Smith didn’t do a lot of his wide cuts against the Lions.  He did have a groin in TC.  May be not test it too much when Brown is killing them. 

I definitely might be.  But, I'd guess that Smith being observably upset might suggest that the groin is fine and that he wants to see the ball more.  Just a guess and tea leaf reading on my part, but it is worth noting, but not necessarily cause for concern yet.

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Not sure what the absolute coup is.  We traded a 4th round pick for a 5th round talent, and got about 5th round production out of him.

sarcasm.  

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Then you completely missed the point.  Our scheme, which is based on Hurts' limitations, means that the throws are quick and close to the LOS.  Generally, Hurts and RPOs aren't what is happening, please update your talking points.  Hurts runs ROs, and he throws the ball from the Shotgun.  That doesn't make the throw an RPO.  RPOs means he's actually reading a defender and making the decision to give it away or keep it to throw quickly, meanwhile the OL is run blocking.  He was slow last year on those reads, the OL got downfield and we got penalized... frequently.   So they went away from RPOs with him.   I didn't study it during the game, but I'm pretty sure there were actually very few RPOs that were run.  @justrelax I've got an assignment for you, if you are willing.  How many actual RPOs were there in the game?

 

Meanwhile, the reason that was a valuable bit of analysis is that it shows that even while he was statistically good, his style remains very much the same, and that means the same type of defense that shut him down last year can do it again.   Crowd the LOS, overload the right side, take away the quick throws,  and force him left where he can't throw downfield (lots of ugly throw aways on Sunday running to his left... and one that should have been grounding).    

So, is it useless to show that the middle of the field is only used for screen passes, and that he's only throwing slants to Brown and no one else?   I saw nothing in the game Sunday that shows me that a team should ever play with 2 deep safeties.  On the contrary, it made me almost think that they should just play with 9 in the box.  Maybe only 8 and bracket Brown.

You're brutal. 

I'll try if I can find the time.

2 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

t i t for tat. Also, this is under the 6 day window - unless the move was made yesterday.

6 day window is just for signing someone from your upcoming opponent. We already played Detroit so there is no window. 

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

If you paid attention you could see that he changed plays several times. Hand signals only do so much, especially with some of the exotic blitzes Detroit was dialing up.

I was just making sure you knew that the QB could audible without using his mouth.

4 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

t i t for tat. Also, this is under the 6 day window - unless the move was made yesterday.

The 6 day window applies to your upcoming opponent, the Lions do not play the Eagles next week.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

6 day window is just for signing someone from your upcoming opponent. We already played Detroit so there is no window. 

Idk why I thought that said Vikings. Need more coffee.

15 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

If you can’t figure out peoples’ Hurts agendas in here then you’re just a lost cause bro. 

 

I clearly stated @Texas Eagle and my agenda earlier, see below.  If you do not think this is our agenda, please enlighten us as to what you think our agenda is.

 

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

I am sure you and I are aligned in our "agenda" for the Eagles to have a QB who can win a Super Bowl, with his arm.

 

1 minute ago, Texas Eagle said:

Idk why I thought that said Vikings. Need more coffee.

Probably because you live in TEXAS 

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I definitely might be.  But, I'd guess that Smith being observably upset might suggest that the groin is fine and that he wants to see the ball more.  Just a guess and tea leaf reading on my part, but it is worth noting, but not necessarily cause for concern yet.

On the radio broadcast, Merrill Reese made it quite clear that AJ Brown was consoling him on the sideline and he looked upset.