34 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

@LeanMeanGM 

34-24 Vikings

Bonus: there's some kind of on-field fight/shoving match etc

What should be the judgement of that? Flags thrown, or enough of a tussle other players get involved? Or a you’ll know when you see it?

10 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I wish it was about something, only because I want to see Howie throw the challenge flag from the press box down to the field.  That would be a throw.

He has a better arm than our QB at least

43 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Glad you asked. I just finished clocking them. We ran seven ROs in the second half, three of which were on our last possession when we were trying to kill the clock. Hurts kept the ball once. We ran zero RPOs.

@Iggles_Phan

@justrelax

Please confirm my understanding that an RO is where the QB is reading a player at the LOS (DL/LB) to determine who carries the ball. 

Whereas an RPO, the QB is reading a player in coverage (LB/S/NCB) to choose between run or pass.  The only time the QB would run on an RPO is if he can't release the ball quickly and runs to avoid an illegal receiver downfield penalty (as the OL continues to block the run).

2 hours ago, UndyTaker said:

Every team that makes 5 trips to the redzone and 4 of those result in TDs, at least 1 of those are passing TDs. In that drive alone you really see how limited this offense is AND WAS LAST YEAR. Once we get inside the 20 Hurts is dam near useless trying to pass the ball. How many passing TDs do you think he will have on Monday night?

Actually, it shows a real talented running offense that punched the ball in four times on the ground with four different players scoring. On the play that Brown took down to the five and tried to drag the DB another five yards, that would be scored as a passing TD for Hurts if Brown would have made it but was undoubtedly was more physical running by Brown than Hurts or the three RBs on their scoring plays.  One of the most misleading stats there is in the NFL is passing TDs because it completely ignores YAC by the receiver as a part of the stat for the QB.   Ask Marshawn Lynch about the Super Bowl loss from not handing him the ball.  

49 minutes ago, UndyTaker said:

lol alright well then how can he be our franchise QB for the future if hes going to be having all these off days? We need more consistency from your QB to have good games dont you think? Especially come playoff time.

 

There isn't a QB in the history of the league that doesn't have a bad game from time to time. 

43 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Are you just being stubborn because your afraid to admit your wrong and boy wonder blows? or are you dumb.

AN RPO gives the QB(hurts) the option on run or pass. 

An Audible, is when a coach calls one play and the quarterback has the opportunity to change it at the LOS. (LOS stands for Line of Scrimmage) 

IF the coaches(who you think have the final say) run 20 RUNS, 20 Passes and 20 RPO's, it's quite EASY for the QB to make it 45 passes and 15 runs. EASILY

 

It's on the coaches to call designed runs. Go try to setup some fights on the message board and then no show. 

2 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

He does it intentionally and then all of you rush to defend him? Seeing the hypocrisy here when you criticize everyone else?

Who has rushed to defend him?  Most recognize trolling when they see it and ignore it.  You are on the end of the line because you aren’t seeing the 

34 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Basically you can't. That's why added: I didn't believe Hurts was really running a true RO on most of them but was showing the RO action to freeze the DE.

If you can, go back and look at the second TD drive.  It starts with an RPO to Brown.

Then they run the ball with Sanders.  It's the same mesh action as an RO, but there isn't an unblocked defender to read.  Straight run.

Next play, is also a run by Sanders.  But this time Hurts is reading the DE.  Read Option.

Of course the announcers called them the same play.

4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

There isn't a QB in the history of the league that doesn't have a bad game from time to time. 

 

It's on the coaches to call designed runs. Go try to setup some fights on the message board and then no show. 

Hurts runs 17 times, but you think he has no responsibility for that because the coaches aren't calling enough runs to the RBs. 

You're so far gone 

12 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

@justrelax

Please confirm my understanding that an RO is where the QB is reading a player at the LOS (DL/LB) to determine who carries the ball. 

Whereas an RPO, the QB is reading a player in coverage (LB/S/NCB) to choose between run or pass.  The only time the QB would run on an RPO is if he can't release the ball quickly and runs to avoid an illegal receiver downfield penalty (as the OL continues to block the run).

Yep. On the money.

8 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Go try to setup some fights on the message board and then no show. 

Oh snap, @Bacarty2 has been called out.

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Called or not is irrelevant. It shows just how much he runs off script too which is a huge part of the problem

Can't agree. Six called runs, of which two were ROs where he kept. One kneel-down, and 10 scrambles. Of those 10, he broke from a decent pocket twice. So, off-script twice. The other eight were of necessity.

Oh gosh. 
 

 

9 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Who has rushed to defend him?  Most recognize trolling when they see it and ignore it.  You are on the end of the line because you aren’t seeing the 

 No more Austin tips from you I guess lol

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Hurts runs 17 times, but you think he has no responsibility for that because the coaches aren't calling enough runs to the RBs. 

You're so far gone 

Hi.  Throw out the kneel at the end.  You now have 16 rushes.  The game book has it as 8 scrambles and 8 runs.

Of the 8 runs, I only saw three that were designed for Hurts.  Two RO looks where he has a pulling TE leading him around the edge.  The other was the sneak to seal the game.  So it seems five times Hurts pulled the RO and ran himself.  Again, only eight runs out of the run scheme.

The other eight were scrambles.  And two, IMO, were designed keepers.  One was the first TD.  I'm not going to evaluate protection, but it's a fair assumption that half of the scrambles were probably Hurts leaving the pocket too soon.  An issue that all but a handful here acknowledge.

I think throwing 17 around is a bit misleading.  But who knows, you guys have a new Head of State.  Maybe it's policy now. 

So our WRs are rich fake superheroes. 

6 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Can't agree. Six called runs, of which two were ROs where he kept. One kneel-down, and 10 scrambles. Of those 10, he broke from a decent pocket twice. So, off-script twice. The other eight were of necessity.

Do you think any of the eight out of necessity, could be prevented by diagnosing the play better pre-snap and finding a hot read?

7 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Can't agree. Six called runs, of which two were ROs where he kept. One kneel-down, and 10 scrambles. Of those 10, he broke from a decent pocket twice. So, off-script twice. The other eight were of necessity.

That assumes the eight couldnt have still be completed if he had the ability to keep his eyes up

2 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

So our WRs are rich fake superheroes. 

That makes Reagor Robin, doesn't it.

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Hi.  Throw out the kneel at the end.  You now have 16 rushes.  The game book has it as 8 scrambles and 8 runs.

Of the 8 runs, I only saw three that were designed for Hurts.  Two RO looks where he has a pulling TE leading him around the edge.  The other was the sneak to seal the game.  So it seems five times Hurts pulled the RO and ran himself.  Again, only eight runs out of the run scheme.

The other eight were scrambles.  And two, IMO, were designed keepers.  One was the first TD.  I'm not going to evaluate protection, but it's a fair assumption that half of the scrambles were probably Hurts leaving the pocket too soon.  An issue that all but a handful here acknowledge.

I think throwing 17 around is a bit misleading.  But who knows, you guys have a new Head of State.  Maybe it's policy now. 

17 is what it is. I'll give up the kneel down, but that's still 16 more hits in addition to regular drop back passing hits. He was nearly concussed by the end of the game.

They shouldn't call any designed runs for him, considering his propensity to scramble will give him enough "opportunities". 

But the original argument started because a certain poster said the coaches are why Hurts ran 17 times, and it wasn't Hurts fault. That's wrong. 

Just now, downundermike said:

Do you think any of the eight out of necessity, could be prevented by diagnosing the play better pre-snap and finding a hot read?

Of course.  Or by altering the protection.

There were two plays, IIRC, where he audibled to a slip screen against a blitz look.  Both times the pass was batted down.

15 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Actually, it shows a real talented running offense that punched the ball in four times on the ground with four different players scoring. On the play that Brown took down to the five and tried to drag the DB another five yards, that would be scored as a passing TD for Hurts if Brown would have made it but was undoubtedly was more physical running by Brown than Hurts or the three RBs on their scoring plays.  One of the most misleading stats there is in the NFL is passing TDs because it completely ignores YAC by the receiver as a part of the stat for the QB.   Ask Marshawn Lynch about the Super Bowl loss from not handing him the ball.  

Which is why I said in the redzone specifically. Not much room for YAC within the 20. Its generally a QB who knows what to do before and after the snap  and can make quick decisions and accurate throws. But you know passing TDs are a thing in the NFL and im sure only throwing 1 TD or less in 9 games last year had more to do with our offense sputtering than anything else. I mean who knows what would happen if a team stopped our running game....oh wait 

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

Of course.  Or by altering the protection.

There were two plays, IIRC, where he audibled to a slip screen against a blitz look.  Both times the pass was batted down.

Well you say of course, I agree with you, but some folks think that there is nothing wrong with him pre-snap and this is everybody else’s fault

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

17 is what it is. I'll give up the kneel down, but that's still 16 more hits in addition to regular drop back passing hits. He was nearly concussed by the end of the game.

They shouldn't call any designed runs for him, considering his propensity to scramble will give him enough "opportunities". 

But the original argument started because a certain poster said the coaches are why Hurts ran 17 times, and it wasn't Hurts fault. That's wrong. 

Agreed.  RememberTheCertainPoster is wrong.

5 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

But who knows, you guys have a new Head of State.  Maybe it's policy now. 

You just be careful; our King will throw you down faster than a leaky pen

1 minute ago, UndyTaker said:

Which is why I said in the redzone specifically. Not much room for YAC within the 20. Its generally a QB who knows what to do before and after the snap  and can make quick decisions and accurate throws. But you know passing TDs are a thing in the NFL and im sure only throwing 1 TD or less in 9 games last year had more to do with our offense sputtering than anything else. I mean who knows what would happen if a team stopped our running game....oh wait 

8 of 20 dude, 8 of 20.

(That's games Hurts has thrown ZERO TDs. That's a problem)

Just now, Alphagrand said:

You just be careful; our King will throw you down faster than a leaky pen

Ol Sausage Fingers Chuck?