1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

@4for4EaglesNest @NCiggles you in the path of this Fiona storm? 

I'm perfectly safe. She may spit on us some if we get too close to the stage.  

13 minutes ago, mattwill said:

That is on interesting take.  Which players have given any indication that they label him selfish?

Bo Wulf’s article in the Athletic paints the opposite picture 

Its early yet. Not a lot of people have realized. Its coming. 

51 minutes ago, justrelax said:

 (I throw that in so that the resident scorpion can wax wroth.)

 

 

 

 

 

Nice entomology reference. Science!

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Its early yet. Not a lot of people have realized. Its coming. 

So the consensus hardest-working player on the team is selfish because he tried to score a touchdown? 

38 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Well took longer than expected but here we are 2-3 days after the game and the crowd that is against Hurts has found theor new most important stat to cling to and that's the lack of touchdown passes despite it not representing a lack of a very productive winning offense. 

Hurts has had one very good game as a passer.  No one is unhappy with the way he played. I think the question is whether he can have a repeat performance.  I remember when the Eagles thought they had had an answer at QB in Bobby Hoying after one good game.  I think Hurts is more in line with early McNabb. He is a difference maker as a runner at QB.  He needs to be consistently above average as a passer.  Being above average as a passer does mean he should have more passing TDs.  I think the concern is that taking too many risks running are going to wear him down.  He has a penchant for keeping the ball on run option plays when the better decision is to just hand it off so he avoids contact.  The team didn't score any points, despite moving the ball, in the second half.  I don't think this was on Hurts except to the extent that the holding call on Mailata was really because Hurts left the pocket and Hunter turned which put Mailatas hands outside of his body.  Hurts made probably his best throw of the night on that play to Watkins.  Now this is the type of play that Rodgers makes all of the time without those types of holding calls.  Getting back to my first point, let's see how he does against Washington.  

10 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

So the consensus hardest-working player on the team is selfish because he tried to score a touchdown? 

Thanks. Loved the drive to get it into the Endzone. Joe Dirt realized and destroyed the CB enroute.

Problem for some people?

Not  a fan of the "look at me" celebration afterward, need to see him congratulate his O line and WRs on excellent play and downfield blocking. He did High Five Kelce as I recall...Learning to share the success I hope.

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

So the consensus hardest-working player on the team is selfish because he tried to score a touchdown? 

I wouldn't say it's selfishness but it seems he trusts himself on some read option plays more than he trusts his RBs and other teammates.  One of the things I liked on Monday was his willingness to trust his teammates to make catches.  He had good placement on balls in to tight windows and trusted his receivers to make plays.  

13 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I had an odd attraction to her back in the day.  Dirty dirty girl  

You're not alone. 

3 hours ago, olsilverhair said:

44 posts?  you are laughable

Since you need to be patted on the back for the amount of posts you make, here is a pat on the back.

 

Since that was your only reply, I would say what I said was enough said. 

56 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Quick yes or no.

Do you think throwing the ball is important in a passing league?

 

Did we not throw the ball in Monday night? You goofs are acting like there wasn't a very effective passing offense on display. 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

This always makes me laugh.  Are we surprised that a guy who made it to D1 football and started and then made it to the NFL is a "hard worker"?  Shouldn't that be assumed?  I know there are degrees and all....but sheesh.  Come on man.  

I wonder if it will rub other players the wrong way to continually hear he is the hardest working guy, like they don't put in the work also.

37 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Except smitty was complaining just a week ago.

has his passing improved? Maybe. Significantly? Sorry no.

winning does tend to cure most ills but we have weak opponents to start. If anything the coaches had schemes ready for the vikings

It is a small sample size but yes, his passing appears to have improved significantly. 26 of 31 with two drops is pretty good. 

46 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im less concerned with style points, and more concerned with team morale, and ability to recruit WRs to play with him. 

This very well may be sustainable short term (a year or 2) while we have these WRs under contract and hopefully Hurts continues to win games. But if he gets the selfish label, which he is working hard on earning, then we might not be able to retain, or replace WRs of this caliber.  

And that may prove this to be not sustainable long term. It may prove to be problematic at that point and the team worsens because of it. Then we start winning less games. Still with a selfish QB. Suddenly things dont sound so good. 

Thats why we have to wait and see. Not just on his performance. But on players reaction to it. Not about style points. Its about ego management and roster building.

I don't get the ego thing although I think any pro QB had better have a big ego. as for the roster building...

42 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Is it Burrow's fault that his o-line is the worst in the league? I think anybody would swap Burrow for Hurts without question, and behind the Eagles o-line and with our skill players, Burrow would be in the conversation with Allen/Mahomes for top 3 QB in the league, instead of that 5-7 range he's in now. 

No, it's not. But, to cite HE above, it's about roster building and the Eagles have built what appears today, to be a better one.

37 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

If you dont account for called runs, pay attention to how much he chooses to run on 3rd down, and in the red zone. He has a major hero complex. 

And his superman celebration? Spare me. We dont need a superman. We just need our QB to distribute the ball to his elite weapons, not act like they arent there and pretend the team needs a hero.

He's not distributing? Really? Who didn't get the ball Monday night? BTW, I checked his runs against Minnesota. Four on first down, one on second, one on third. Four scrambles, one on first down, three on third down.

You're projecting, HE. IMHO of course. Been wrong before.

11 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

So the consensus hardest-working player on the team is selfish because he tried to score a touchdown? 

he has you fooled with work ethic. You can be a hard worker and a selfish ball hog at the same time. He has a lot of people fooled with this work ethic and leadership story that has been parroted over the last 2-3 years + when he was in college.  Itll take time for everyone to see through that and catch on. But itll come.

15 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Its early yet. Not a lot of people have realized. Its coming. 

I see what you did there, going back to his Alabama days.   Not a lot of fans realize what you’re talking about, but yea, it’s an issue that’ll bite him again. 

47 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Makes A ton of sense. Rb1 loves to call his own number so it can be "look at me im superman”.

not hard to understand why he might have a chip in his shoulder and an inferiority complex

I respect your opinion, but I think you are doing a lot of projecting in that opinion. Either that or channeling Dt1.

55 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Except smitty was complaining just a week ago.

has his passing improved? Maybe. Significantly? Sorry no.

winning does tend to cure most ills but we have weak opponents to start. If anything the coaches had schemes ready for the vikings

I will keep saying it, sample is small.  If we are using this small sample, Tua is the 3rd best QB in the NFL.

14 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

So the consensus hardest-working player on the team is selfish because he tried to score a touchdown? 

Hurts' haters are really having a tough week, if they have stooped this low.

Here's hoping they have many more this season!

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

This always makes me laugh.  Are we surprised that a guy who made it to D1 football and started and then made it to the NFL is a "hard worker"?  Shouldn't that be assumed?  I know there are degrees and all....but sheesh.  Come on man.  

 

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I wonder if it will rub other players the wrong way to continually hear he is the hardest working guy, like they don't put in the work also.

His teammates are the ones that point to his hard work.

Guys....you're reaching here with the selfishness angle.  

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I wonder if it will rub other players the wrong way to continually hear he is the hardest working guy, like they don't put in the work also.

I wonder what Epps thinks about that. He must not have worked very hard to go from UDFA to starting safety (and doing a pretty good job of it so far).

I wonder what Graham thinks of that. To have a college football HOF type of career at Michigan. Be compared to Earl Thomas and called a bust for his first many years in the league. Work back through multiple season ending injuries. And earn pro bowls and being one of the beloved philly athletes. Surely he cant have worked as hard as hurts even though he has actually faced a TON of adversity in his career.

Man... this list can probably go on and on but the people who love that "hard worker" line probably still wouldnt get the point. 

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

 

His teammates are the ones that point to his hard work.

Guys....you're reaching here with the selfishness angle.  

Just throwing it out there.  If you keep hearing the guy next to you at work is such a hard worker while you are doing the same with no acknowledgement of it, you wouldn't get a little irritated ??

5 minutes ago, justrelax said:

 

I don't get the ego thing although I think any pro QB had better have a big ego. as for the roster building...

 

When I said ego management you assumed I am just talking about Hurts. Im also talking about the WRs. Its a balancing act to manage all of those egos. And if he wants to keep playing superman, its going to tip over.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You're reaching with lumping me in with the folks saying he's selfish.  Where did I say that?  I was asking about the hard work stuff.  Which all of them are hard workers.  I think it's rather degrading to his awesome abilities if that's the first thing that someone points to.  

OK.  

7 minutes ago, justrelax said:

It is a small sample size but yes, his passing appears to have improved significantly. 26 of 31 with two drops is pretty good. 

I don't get the ego thing although I think any pro QB had better have a big ego. as for the roster building...

No, it's not. But, to cite HE above, it's about roster building and the Eagles have built what appears today, to be a better one.

He's not distributing? Really? Who didn't get the ball Monday night? BTW, I checked his runs against Minnesota. Four on first down, one on second, one on third. Four scrambles, one on first down, three on third down.

You're projecting, HE. IMHO of course. Been wrong before.

the bolded is exactly the point. He ALWAYS wants to scramble on 3rd downs. He wants to be the guy converting 1st downs. Thats where the glory is. The spotlight is not as bright on 1st and 2nd. When you have to pick up a 1st or the drive ends, on 3rd down- that is where the glory is. Making that play. And he always calls his own number. 

A lot of those other runs may have been called QB runs. There were some designed runs. Others may have been read option where he kept it (some were the right read. some may not have been.) But as I said aside from called runs- when you look at his propensity to call his own number on 3rd downs, and goal line, and watch his superman celebration- its become clear he is all about himself. Despite what he says to the press that makes people believe he is a good teammate. His actions are different than his words.

 

11 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

he has you fooled with work ethic. You can be a hard worker and a selfish ball hog at the same time. He has a lot of people fooled with this work ethic and leadership story that has been parroted over the last 2-3 years + when he was in college.  Itll take time for everyone to see through that and catch on. But itll come.

Do you think Hurts pays off all his own loans, or lets the government do it for him?  

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Elaborate

More so at Oklahoma, some on Riley’s staff believed he was not what he portrayed himself to be.  More selfish than they were led to believe. 
 I’ve said before that he’s one of the reasons Daboll declined to interview with the Eagles. 

Just now, mikemack8 said:

Do you think Hurts pays off all his own loans, or lets the government do it for him?  

I think he had boosters pay for a lot of stuff for him.