4 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

Tuas little bro can play. 

Yeah.  I said it since I saw him last year,  I think he is better than his brother. 

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

The best part is when Hurts gets injured on a running TD, it will be everyone else’s fault.

How has your Jalen Hurts voodoo doll been working out this year?

7 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

QBs almost always get hurt in the pocket or trying to throw when moving behind the line.

Randall was in the pocket both times.  No.  HIs ankle was broken on a scramble - 1994.

Foles got crushed often in the pocket. (collarbone x2, JD Clowney cheap shot, cheap shot vs DC)

Brady in the pocket.

Rodgers rolling to his right as a passer looking to pass.

Brees in the pocket.

Dak once running and once in the pocket.

Wentz is not really a running QB but he gets hurt when running.

 

The most dangerous place in the NFL is behind the line of scrimmage. You have pass rushers, blitzers, and lineman falling on you.

Everywhere else they are tying to tackle you and stop you from gaining yards. Behind the line they want to hurt you.

 

Shall we discuss when QBs got hurt running?  Vick in 2003 preseason.  RGIII, knee bends the wrong direction.  Alex Smith - gross injury.   Lots of others.... 

 

Long story short, there are protections in place for QBs in the pocket.   There are far far less protections for QBs who are running, and we've seen it with Hurts just this season.  How many times was he landed on when he was sliding?   As for the 'behind the line they want to hurt you'.   Nope.  That's an individual thing with the defenders in question.  A lot of defenders don't like it when the QBs run on them and try to embarrass them with the run, so they will take a shot, because it's there to be taken.

3 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

Yeah. Teams can't challenge in college?

And they let McCarthy get away with a grounding call that was blatant.  

Maybe not quite Barry Sanders but Darren Sproles level?

 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Yeah.  I said it since I saw him last year,  I think he is better than his brother. 

Only reason he didn't suit up for Saban is Bryce Young came. Was surprised he went to Maryland though. Happy though. Like the terps. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And they let McCarthy get away with a grounding call that was blatant.  

Big ten doesn't want to screw up one of their playoff contenders. 

@Iggles_Phan

Randall was dropping back to pass and stepping up to avoid the rush. He throws the ball on the play.

Either way it was not a designed run or a take off and run play.

That kick wasn't even close lol

Terps looking good 

TCU having easy time with SMU so far

@LeanMeanGMEagles 28 Commanders 26, commanders fail on a two point conversion to tie late in the 4th and we run out the clock.

Prediction, wentz and hurts both throw 3 tds.

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I'm not trolling, I'm just calling out how ridiculous some of you people are to try and find ways to hate on Hurts as he continues to prove you wrong.  You do understand that you current complaints are completely irrelevant due to the fact that the Eagles are not only moving the ball but scoring, right?  You understand that they aren't moving the ball only to get stuck in the redzone and settle for field goals, right?  Because rushing touchdowns = the same amount of points as rushing touchdowns.  Some of you are so detached from reality that you consider anyone a troll that doesn't go along with your hivemind off the wall opinions.  

Do you realize the hypocrisy of your last sentence?  You assume anyone who criticizes or wants to see an area of Hurts game improved up as hate.  You don't even look at what someone is talking about or what they back up their stance with.  You see any criticism or disagreement as hate.  That falls right in line with 2022 though.  You don't agree with me, that means you hate me.  What a horribly shallow view on things.  It's the 2nd easiest cop out right behind you don't like Hurts so you must be racist.   

Case in point.  Did you read the first 2 sentences in how statistics are going to relate to contract talks???  I wasn't saying the lack of TD passes is effecting the outcome of the game.  And no, he might not need a new contract until 2024 but he's eligible after this year.  I'm looking at both the Kyler Murray and Lamar Jackson situations as to why I'm asking that question.  You can bet your bottom dollar a Hurts extension is way up there on offseason story lines.

Also, wanting a QB to throw TD's is NOT HATE.  MY GOODNESS.  I've never played a minute of fantasy football so you lose that argument too.  I've given Hurts credit, especially after the last game but geez I never knew that wanting the quarterback to throw TD passes was a bad thing.  

The Eagles are 2-0.  The offense scored 31 and 24 points in their two games.  Hurts looked great distributing the ball and running the ball against the Vikings.  It was encouraging to see.  But Hurts has to do it again and again to show that he really is progressing the way he needs to be....and yes throwing TD passes to the $180 million, 2 1st round, 2nd and 3rd round picks they have invested on Hurts top 3 targets is part of the progression I want to see.

12 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Do you realize the hypocrisy of your last sentence?  You assume anyone who criticizes or wants to see an area of Hurts game improved up as hate.  You don't even look at what someone is talking about or what they back up their stance with.  You see any criticism or disagreement as hate.  That falls right in line with 2022 though.  You don't agree with me, that means you hate me.  What a horribly shallow view on things.  It's the 2nd easiest cop out right behind you don't like Hurts so you must be racist.   

Case in point.  Did you read the first 2 sentences in how statistics are going to relate to contract talks???  I wasn't saying the lack of TD passes is effecting the outcome of the game.  And no, he might not need a new contract until 2024 but he's eligible after this year.  I'm looking at both the Kyler Murray and Lamar Jackson situations as to why I'm asking that question.  You can bet your bottom dollar a Hurts extension is way up there on offseason story lines.

Also, wanting a QB to throw TD's is NOT HATE.  MY GOODNESS.  I've never played a minute of fantasy football so you lose that argument too.  I've given Hurts credit, especially after the last game but geez I never knew that wanting the quarterback to throw TD passes was a bad thing.  

The Eagles are 2-0.  The offense scored 31 and 24 points in their two games.  Hurts looked great distributing the ball and running the ball against the Vikings.  It was encouraging to see.  But Hurts has to do it again and again to show that he really is progressing the way he needs to be....and yes throwing TD passes to the $180 million, 2 1st round, 2nd and 3rd round picks they have invested on Hurts top 3 targets is part of the progression I want to see.

Just win.  

 

14 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Do you realize the hypocrisy of your last sentence?  You assume anyone who criticizes or wants to see an area of Hurts game improved up as hate.  You don't even look at what someone is talking about or what they back up their stance with.  You see any criticism or disagreement as hate.  That falls right in line with 2022 though.  You don't agree with me, that means you hate me.  What a horribly shallow view on things.  It's the 2nd easiest cop out right behind you don't like Hurts so you must be racist.   

Case in point.  Did you read the first 2 sentences in how statistics are going to relate to contract talks???  I wasn't saying the lack of TD passes is effecting the outcome of the game.  And no, he might not need a new contract until 2024 but he's eligible after this year.  I'm looking at both the Kyler Murray and Lamar Jackson situations as to why I'm asking that question.  You can bet your bottom dollar a Hurts extension is way up there on offseason story lines.

Also, wanting a QB to throw TD's is NOT HATE.  MY GOODNESS.  I've never played a minute of fantasy football so you lose that argument too.  I've given Hurts credit, especially after the last game but geez I never knew that wanting the quarterback to throw TD passes was a bad thing.  

The Eagles are 2-0.  The offense scored 31 and 24 points in their two games.  Hurts looked great distributing the ball and running the ball against the Vikings.  It was encouraging to see.  But Hurts has to do it again and again to show that he really is progressing the way he needs to be....and yes throwing TD passes to the $180 million, 2 1st round, 2nd and 3rd round picks they have invested on Hurts top 3 targets is part of the progression I want to see.

 

So disingenuous.  Jalen Hurts threw for 333 yards, 83.9% completion and 10.7 YPA.  Yet you still find a way to try to **** about his passing.  A touchdown is a touchdown.  It doesn't matter if it comes through the air or on the ground.  It counts for the same.  The Eagles offense is not in a situation where they are unable to get into the endzone.  They have the #1 offense in the league and Jalen is a massive part of that.  

Shelf this woe is me no one hates Jalen nonsense.  This board has a major agenda against Hurts which it put in full display all offseason, after their week 1 victory and now also after their week 2 victory.  It's just flatout pathetic.  Be an Eagles fan.  Enjoy a great young talent at QB that we have that has done nothing but bust his ass to improve and continues to do so.  A great leader, a great teammate and a flatout winner who has this team at 2-0. 

Instead you people just want to nitpick away at anything you can to hang onto whatever last strands you can of your hate of Jalen to try to point to as to why he isn't the QB.  From the same crowd that spent all summer fawning over Strong who didn't even make the team.  That talked about how much they would rather Baker Mayfield than Jalen Hurts.  I even saw people say they'd take Drew Lock over Hurts during the offseason.  

8 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

@Iggles_Phan

Randall was dropping back to pass and stepping up to avoid the rush. He throws the ball on the play.

Either way it was not a designed run or a take off and run play.

He was clearly running... no, not designed, but still an injury while running and not in the pocket.

 

The issue with the designed runs, and I mentioned it in the Jalen Hurts thread is the frequency with which he is running.  

Someone mentioned how often the likes of Young, Cunningham and Elway ran.  
I laid it out there, and you are welcome to check it out, but here's the long and the short.

Young ran 10+ times in a game a total of 8 times in his career.  169 games... 8 times at 10 rushes or above.  And never more than 11.
Cunningham ran 10+ times in a game 13 times in his career.   161 games.   And he never went over 14.
Elway ran 10+ times in a game ONCE in his career. 
Fran Tarkenton ran 10+ times 3 times in his career, and only once after his first year.

Hurts has run 10+ times 10 times already in 21 starts.   He's topped the 14 rushes mark 3 times already.   

 

The point: He's taking more punishment than the average QB.  He's going to get hit in the pocket AND he's going to get hit running.  And his style of running also means he's taking extra hits that those guys often didn't, because they would hit the ground or run out of bounds more frequently... though, I know there are highlights of them all taking big hits out of the pocket.   I don't think I ever saw any of them taking on LBs at the goal line though.

Running QBs have to deal mostly with DBs and some LBs.

QBs in the pocket get murdered. Its the most dangerous place in all of sports.

Do some running stupid QBs get hurt? See Watson staying in-bounds and getting annihilated (he had to take a bus to Jacksonville the next week because his ribs / lungs could not take the pressure of a flight)

Did Jimmy G get a freak non contact injury on a rollout? Yes those happen sometimes.

 

Taking some soap box stand that running as a QB is insanity because its so dangerous is absolute crap.

Wilson has 933 runs in his career. His 1 game missing injury was in the pocket.  The biggest hit he ever took was after an interception. (Matthews)

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He was clearly running... no, not designed, but still an injury while running and not in the pocket.

He was avoiding pressure. Sometimes the result of that is a 1 yard sack instead of 7 or a pass or a run. Its a designed pass play.

There was no decision to run there. He was trying to stay alive from 4 guys closing in on him in the pocket. All QBs do this.

Do you want Hurts to fall down early like Simms would before Reggie got him? Simms still got hurt in 1990. (twice)

1 minute ago, SkippyX said:

Running QBs have to deal mostly with DBs and some LBs.

QBs in the pocket get murdered. Its the most dangerous place in all of sports.

Do some running stupid QBs get hurt? See Watson staying in-bounds and getting annihilated (he had to take a bus to Jacksonville the next week because his ribs / lungs could not take the pressure of a flight)

Did Jimmy G get a freak non contact injury on a rollout? Yes those happen sometimes.

 

Taking some soap box stand that running as a QB is insanity because its so dangerous is absolute crap.

Wilson has 933 runs in his career. His 1 game missing injury was in the pocket.  The biggest hit he ever took was after an interception. (Matthews)

Hurts just chose to stay in bounds and take on 4 defenders at the goal line.  Is his decision not stupid, because the outcome was different?  Nah.  It was the same decision, just a different outcome, and were the defender more interesting in hitting him than trying to strip the ball, we could be having a different discussion today.

 

You are talking anecdotes with Wilson.  But, let's look at his history.   Only 14 games with 10+ rushes in a game.... in 160 games in his career, and he's very well known for his baseball slides to avoid contact.  He almost never takes on defenders while running.  And if Hurts did, it wouldn't bother me as much.  But, his two rushing TDs this past week... he put his head down and tried to plow through multiple defenders on both.  It worked.  But, is it sustainable?  Time will tell, but the history of the league says an unequivocal 'No'.

Keep pushing this narrative Turron.

4 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

He was avoiding pressure. Sometimes the result of that is a 1 yard sack instead of 7 or a pass or a run. Its a designed pass play.

There was no decision to run there. He was trying to stay alive from 4 guys closing in on him in the pocket. All QBs do this.

Do you want Hurts to fall down early like Simms would before Reggie got him? Simms still got hurt in 1990. (twice)

Nope.   What I want is my QB to avoid contact when he's running.  Hurts seeks it many times.   That's a problem.  Hurts is also running at a higher rate than any of the 'running Qbs' of the past at a ridiculously high rate.  I don't want designed runs by my QB as a large part of the foundation of the offense.   If Hurts is running out of the pocket, great.  Avoid contact while doing so.  

 

I went through the stills that @justrelax posted on the 2nd TD run by Hurts.  If Hurts follows Goedert's block and runs out of bounds at the 6 or 7, I'm overjoyed with that play.  He was never in danger.  Instead, he cuts back and takes on 4 defenders.  In the process, he ends up exposing his back to multiple defenders as he runs over one, who is going for the strip.  He's taking risks.  That's his game.  It's what got him to the NFL.  What I am asking for from him is to get smarter and show better discernment on putting his body in harm's way.

 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Hurts just chose to stay in bounds and take on 4 defenders at the goal line.  Is his decision not stupid, because the outcome was different?  Nah.  It was the same decision, just a different outcome, and were the defender more interesting in hitting him than trying to strip the ball, we could be having a different discussion today.

 

You are talking anecdotes with Wilson.  But, let's look at his history.   Only 14 games with 10+ rushes in a game.... in 160 games in his career, and he's very well known for his baseball slides to avoid contact.  He almost never takes on defenders while running.  And if Hurts did, it wouldn't bother me as much.  But, his two rushing TDs this past week... he put his head down and tried to plow through multiple defenders on both.  It worked.  But, is it sustainable?  Time will tell, but the history of the league says an unequivocal 'No'.

So he needs to not do that. (take on 4 guys) That has nothing to do with running vs passing.

The whole point is Mr Salty thinking he is righteous because he wants Hurts to get injured when running so he can "I told you so" 

 

That's pathetic and its not based in reality. He gets nailed in the pocket worse than when he runs and he can make the running easier by running smarter.

This comes with experience, the same as becoming a better passer.

You could also say the TD run was dangerous but carrying a DB into the end zone from the 5 is not the same as that other bad decision of taking on 4 guys.

10 minutes ago, RLC said:

Keep pushing this narrative Turron.

They aren’t going to get great value for him now. First this is another shot at his durability. Missed an entire year. Had this injury this year which likely keeps him out 6 weeks. He had some games where he’s been banged up from. So durability is a concern with dillard. Second he’s never started more than a couple games. So no clue whether he’s capable of ever holding up for a majority of the season as a starter or how he looks over an entire season. Third he needs a new contract. He’s a free agent at year’s end so if we let him walk at this point might get a 4th round comp pick for him. I just think the value after this recent injury is not going to enough to move him as compared to having him as a competent backup to mailata in case he goes down. 

Dumb question but only external FA signings count towards the comp pick formula right?  So if for example we signed Gardner-Johnson to an extension this off-season that doesn't factor in correct?

Just now, DEagle7 said:

Dumb question but only external FA signings count towards the comp pick formula right?  So if for example we signed Gardner-Johnson to an extension this off-season that doesn't factor in correct?

Correct 

Oh, we are talking about the same run?

Yeah, you are just plain wrong.

I want my QB scoring on that play every time. Mahomes does this too. Allen does this.

Football is about making plays, not being a wimp.

 

There are times when you have no shot and you don't take a beating. Slide at 7 yards instead of getting nailed at 9 for example.

 

You are free to root for the Eagles to be 10-7 because all their players played it safe instead of trying to score.

I will root for Super Bowl by making plays that are there to be made.

1 minute ago, DEagle7 said:

Dumb question but only external FA signings count towards the comp pick formula right?  So if for example we signed Gardner-Johnson to an extension this off-season that doesn't factor in correct?

The deadline was the Monday after the draft so nothing past that matters. Plus CGJ was a trade. 

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Correct 

Its also time based. After the draft UFAs from other teams don't count into the formula.

OBJ will be free to whoever signs him for example. JPP was free for the Ravens.

Anyone who is cut like Bobby Wagner never counts into the formula.