Same ole Phillies every year!  

Both the avs and oilers scored more goals in game 1 then the amount of runs Phillies have scored in any game over the past week 

In the bottom of the ninth tonight, with the score tied and Harper due up fourth, all three Phillies batters took the first pitch for a ball and proceeded to swing at the ensuing 1-0 pitch that was well out of the strike zone. Instead of getting to 2-0 counts, they all were at 1-1...for no good reason. Do any Phillies hitters other than Harper have a clue about what they're doing in the batters box? Do any of them have any situational awareness? Don't they understand the concept of taking pitches, making the opposing pitcher actually throw the ball over the plate, and potentially get the winning run on base?

Pitching to Pederson…smart. 

"Official" attendance was 20,927

Official game length was 4:52

Much respect to the hardcore fans who can sit through 5 hours of this junk. 

16 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

In the bottom of the ninth tonight, with the score tied and Harper due up fourth, all three Phillies batters took the first pitch for a ball and proceeded to swing at the ensuing 1-0 pitch that was well out of the strike zone. Instead of getting to 2-0 counts, they all were at 1-1...for no good reason. Do any Phillies hitters other than Harper have a clue about what they're doing in the batters box? Do any of them have any situational awareness? Don't they understand the concept of taking pitches, making the opposing pitcher actually throw the ball over the plate, and potentially get the winning run on base?

Tbh i think schwarber is overrated. I’ve felt that since his cubs days. Cubs fans always talked about how great he was going to be and how much of a great hitter he was. He’s overrated. I didn’t want to sign him because i felt if there was a player who was never going to live up to the contract they were going to receive it was him. He got hot for 3.5 months and now is back to what he’s always been. You basically overpaid a guy due to a career hot streak type season. It’s why i wanted kris Bryant over him and even castellanos. He’s a proven consistent hitter. Something the Phillies needed badly. Plus it gave you the flexibility to trade hoskins for an outfielder and move bohm to first and keep Bryant at third. Instead you are likely stuck with schwarber for his contract when he is what he’s always been. 

i had less of a problem with castellanos cause i think he can be a good hitter around 270-300 yearly. Problem is he can’t field like schwarber. With Harper’s injury you have too. 

segura is a fine second baseman. But apparently broke his finger so he’s done for a while. 

Quinn has no business being on a mlb roster. Frankly i think moniak is just not that good. I think he was a great white hope that’s really likely to be closer to what you get from odubel in terms of production. 

if i were the Phillies I’d look to see what i could get for some guys like realmuto, segura, eflin, gibson, hand at the deadline. The reason i say realmuto is because they have a kid at double A in O’hoppe who’s supposedly tearing it up and blocked by realmuto. Not that it means much with Phillies prospects. But if i can get out of realmuto’s contract before he really falls off I’d do it. 

6 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Both the avs and oilers scored more goals in game 1 then the amount of runs Phillies have scored in any game over the past week 

Season just started, gotta give this incredible lineup a chance. 

7 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh i think schwarber is overrated. I’ve felt that since his cubs days. Cubs fans always talked about how great he was going to be and how much of a great hitter he was. He’s overrated. I didn’t want to sign him because i felt if there was a player who was never going to live up to the contract they were going to receive it was him. He got hot for 3.5 months and now is back to what he’s always been. You basically overpaid a guy due to a career hot streak type season. It’s why i wanted kris Bryant over him and even castellanos. He’s a proven consistent hitter. Something the Phillies needed badly. Plus it gave you the flexibility to trade hoskins for an outfielder and move bohm to first and keep Bryant at third. Instead you are likely stuck with schwarber for his contract when he is what he’s always been. 

i had less of a problem with castellanos cause i think he can be a good hitter around 270-300 yearly. Problem is he can’t field like schwarber. With Harper’s injury you have too. 

segura is a fine second baseman. But apparently broke his finger so he’s done for a while. 

Quinn has no business being on a mlb roster. Frankly i think moniak is just not that good. I think he was a great white hope that’s really likely to be closer to what you get from odubel in terms of production. 

if i were the Phillies I’d look to see what i could get for some guys like realmuto, segura, eflin, gibson, hand at the deadline. The reason i say realmuto is because they have a kid at double A in O’hoppe who’s supposedly tearing it up and blocked by realmuto. Not that it means much with Phillies prospects. But if i can get out of realmuto’s contract before he really falls off I’d do it. 

I’d add Nola to that list as well. You’d get a nice haul for him. I can’t see him re-signing once his contract expires in 2023.

7 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh i think schwarber is overrated. I’ve felt that since his cubs days. Cubs fans always talked about how great he was going to be and how much of a great hitter he was. He’s overrated. I didn’t want to sign him because i felt if there was a player who was never going to live up to the contract they were going to receive it was him. He got hot for 3.5 months and now is back to what he’s always been. You basically overpaid a guy due to a career hot streak type season. It’s why i wanted kris Bryant over him and even castellanos. He’s a proven consistent hitter. Something the Phillies needed badly. Plus it gave you the flexibility to trade hoskins for an outfielder and move bohm to first and keep Bryant at third. Instead you are likely stuck with schwarber for his contract when he is what he’s always been. 

i had less of a problem with castellanos cause i think he can be a good hitter around 270-300 yearly. Problem is he can’t field like schwarber. With Harper’s injury you have too. 

segura is a fine second baseman. But apparently broke his finger so he’s done for a while. 

Quinn has no business being on a mlb roster. Frankly i think moniak is just not that good. I think he was a great white hope that’s really likely to be closer to what you get from odubel in terms of production. 

if i were the Phillies I’d look to see what i could get for some guys like realmuto, segura, eflin, gibson, hand at the deadline. The reason i say realmuto is because they have a kid at double A in O’hoppe who’s supposedly tearing it up and blocked by realmuto. Not that it means much with Phillies prospects. But if i can get out of realmuto’s contract before he really falls off I’d do it. 

it's like the culture that matt klentak has created when he got here really killed the players confidence, it's like every player that comes here is toxic but when they leave, they are killing it. this organization really has to figure out what players are bad when it comes to the culture. i can say it's probably hoskins and nola.

i mean i remember in 06 or 07 they traded scott rollen, he was bad culture player, then this team really took off. i mean you can say fire joe because i think he's not coming back he's on the last year of his deal, neither would i, he deserves better but it wont change anything. it's a deeper problem than the manager because it's the same issues, nothing has changed.

1 hour ago, Blazehound said:

I’d add Nola to that list as well. You’d get a nice haul for him. I can’t see him re-signing once his contract expires in 2023.

I was debating nola because if you deal him then 2023 you are really in a position where you are likely not competing again as you only would have wheeler as a mainstay in your rotation. Then again he’d bring a nice haul back with how he’s pitching. If that’s the case i think you might also be willing to deal wheeler as well as you likely aren’t competing and he’s getting older. Essentially i think you’d have to go to harper and tell him you are going into basically a rebuild. I wonder how he’d take that in the middle of his prime 

41 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I was debating nola because if you deal him then 2023 you are really in a position where you are likely not competing again as you only would have wheeler as a mainstay in your rotation. Then again he’d bring a nice haul back with how he’s pitching. If that’s the case i think you might also be willing to deal wheeler as well as you likely aren’t competing and he’s getting older. Essentially i think you’d have to go to harper and tell him you are going into basically a rebuild. I wonder how he’d take that in the middle of his prime 

Trade Harper too.  Who cares.  We’re definitely not winning with him so trade everyone and start a rebuild the right way.

30 minutes ago, GoEagles5921 said:

Trade Harper too.  Who cares.  We’re definitely not winning with him so trade everyone and start a rebuild the right way.

I’d do it. But i don’t see the Phillies willing to do it. Right now with the elbow i don’t think you’d get the haul as if he were completely healthy. I think it’s obvious he’s gonna need tommy John on it. It’s not like hoskins where it was non throwing elbow. since his contract is so long. I’m guessing the team acquiring him likely wants the Phillies to pay some of that contract on the backend if you deal him with the elbow injury right now without it being certain if that elbow holds up the rest of the year and then needing surgery that keeps him out hopefully just to the start of 2023. 

18 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d do it. But i don’t see the Phillies willing to do it. Right now with the elbow i don’t think you’d get the haul as if he were completely healthy. I think it’s obvious he’s gonna need tommy John on it. It’s not like hoskins where it was non throwing elbow. since his contract is so long. I’m guessing the team acquiring him likely wants the Phillies to pay some of that contract on the backend if you deal him with the elbow injury right now without it being certain if that elbow holds up the rest of the year and then needing surgery that keeps him out hopefully just to the start of 2023. 

Trade him next season then.

4 minutes ago, GoEagles5921 said:

Trade him next season then.

They’d need to see where they are at that point in the season and how he recovers from the TJ surgery. If miraculously the Phillies are actually competing and in A wild card spot they aren’t going to do it especially after missing the playoffs 11 straight years. 

Just now, Alpha_TATEr said:

My personal favorite is their Nike city edition jerseys for 2023 

 

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

My personal favorite is their Nike city edition jerseys for 2023 

 

i mean, i didn't have any have blinders on going into this season, but i certainly thought they would be better than this. i thought maybe 85 wins, maybe, but wtf ! 

something needs to change, today. 

13 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

i mean, i didn't have any have blinders on going into this season, but i certainly thought they would be better than this. i thought maybe 85 wins, maybe, but wtf ! 

something needs to change, today. 

I said 84-85 wins. And frankly right now looks bleak. They are also facing their hardest part of their schedule which is clearly showing they aren’t good enough to beat those teams. That said they still have 60 games against the nats, marlins, cubs, reds and pirates. Granted this team manages to find ways to lose to the marlins. But i suspect they wind up finishing around 78-82 wins

 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I said 84-85 wins. And frankly right now looks bleak. They are also facing their hardest part of their schedule which is clearly showing they aren’t good enough to beat those teams. That said they still have 60 games against the nats, marlins, cubs, reds and pirates. Granted this team manages to find ways to lose to the marlins. But i suspect they wind up finishing around 78-82 wins

if they keep girardi and his defeated attitude, i dont see 78. 

On 6/1/2022 at 9:00 AM, Alpha_TATEr said:

if they keep girardi and his defeated attitude, i dont see 78. 

I tend to think girardi is gonna get fired. I think part of the reason it wasn’t this week is cause gabe is in town and it would be a bad look for them. That’s how the Phillies as a organization thinks. 

id frankly blow it up. Then again i thought they should’ve done that after 2020 when they failed in 60 games. And felt that way after last year. Hoskins shouldn’t be here anymore. He’s not re-signing nor should they want too after his arbitration is up after 2023. I’d actually like to keep nola cause he’s still relatively young and looks like he’s back on track. I’d also say if you had wheeler and nola and painter and Abel develop faster than we expect so that by midway next year they are ready, then you could have a pretty nice rotation in 2024. Then you can figure out the positional players. 

really nothings changing in terms of good player development with the Phillies until they fire the entire scouting department. Even guys like Abel and painter i don’t trust as much due to our development. Get rid of girardi, dombrowski and go out and get scouts from the dodgers or rays organization and draft and develop their farm. We ragged on Ed Wade but in Philly he did a good job of drafting and developing. He did it in houston to help them get to where they are even though he got fired right before they took off. Similar to here. 

One of the shows this morning mentioned a rumor that Girardi is done but the Phillies are basically too embarrassed to do it with Gabe in town.  Kinda like how you want your ex to think everything is fine with your new relationship even though it's not.  If this is true, this is extremely childish imo. 

19 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I tend to think girardi is gonna get fired. I think part of the reason it wasn’t this week is cause gabe is in town and it would be a bad look for them. That’s how the Phillies as a organization thinks. 

id frankly blow it up. Then again i thought they should’ve done that after 2020 when they failed in 60 games. And felt that way after last year. Hoskins shouldn’t be here anymore. He’s not re-signing after his arbitration is up after 2023. I’d actually like to keep nola cause he’s still relatively young and looks like he’s back on track. I’d also say if you had wheeler and nola and painter and Abel develop faster than we expect so that by midway next year they are ready, then you could have a pretty nice rotation in 2024. Then you can figure out the positional players. 

really nothings changing with the Phillies until they fire the entire scouting department. Get rid of girardi and dombrowski and go out and get someone from the dodgers or rays organization who brings scouts with him and draft and develop their farm. We ragged on Ed Wade but in Philly he did a good job of drafting and developing. He did it in houston to help them get to where they are even though he got fired right before they took off. Similar to here. 

Dombrowski is signed through 2024 so he isn't going anywhere. I'm pretty sure they overhauled their scouting department with the hiring of Preston Mattingly. Unfortunately, we're gonna have to wait at least a couple of years to see if that pays off. Honestly, I would go up to both Bryce and Zach Wheeler, apologize for the organizational incompetence, and ask where they would like to be traded too. Explain to them it's going to be a long, arduous rebuild and it would be better for them and their families to go to a team with a winning culture. They deserve that. I would then take the best offers that come in for the remaining stiffs even if that means taking back bottom of the barrel players and eating some money on contracts. This team needs an enema. 

1 minute ago, vsptroops said:

 This team needs an enema. 

perfectly stated. 

On 6/1/2022 at 9:43 AM, vsptroops said:

Dombrowski is signed through 2024 so he isn't going anywhere. I'm pretty sure they overhauled their scouting department with the hiring of Preston Mattingly. Unfortunately, we're gonna have to wait at least a couple of years to see if that pays off. Honestly, I would go up to both Bryce and Zach Wheeler, apologize for the organizational incompetence, and ask where they would like to be traded too. Explain to them it's going to be a long, arduous rebuild and it would be better for them and their families to go to a team with a winning culture. They deserve that. I would then take the best offers that come in for the remaining stiffs even if that means taking back bottom of the barrel players and eating some money on contracts. This team needs an enema. 

I’m skeptical with dombrowski and building up a farm and trading away the farm if he does. His MO is trading away prospects for proven players. And it’s not been great in building up a farm system. I’d be more high on mattingly if we had a GM that was better at building up farm systems. I tend to think they just need to completely clean house and start over. I think dealing harper right now isn’t in the cards due to his elbow. He needs TJ so it’s about when he does it. Too hard to pull that off right now. Id say this offseason but with surgery to throwing arm need him to come back and rake then deal him at the deadline. Id deal wheeler depending on the return. However goes back to dombrowski. He’s better at acquiring proven MLB players. I don’t think his speciality or where he thrives at is acquiring prospects or identifying ones in trades that pan out. 

i think dombrowski’s likely gone after 2023 with his contract running out in 2024 if this continues. I don’t see him being a lame duck for 2024 and with how this team has been the last two years i think the move in a different direction unless we turn it around. What should really piss off Phillies fans is that the Mets declined similar to the Phillies (2012) after 2009. Built up to get to a WS in 2015 and solid in 2016. then went back into another kind of rebuild to now very very good. Meanwhile the Phillies are in year 11 since last making them playoffs looking like they need a second complete rebuild. Heck at this rate the nats might do another rebuild before the Phillies get back through there’s