16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

LMAO. Dombrowski is such a stooge.

Well, they can't draft hitters and bring them through the minors, so might as well stop trying. I can't even fathom what this lineup will look like in just 2 years. It will be completely non-viable.

12 hours ago, iladelphxx said:

Is this Alex Carr dude Dombrowski’s grandson?

I realize the MLB draft is all about getting talent. Get the guys that project well. Combination of upside and a realistic path to get there. If that's all pitchers, then that's all pitchers. Let the chips fall where they may.

But seriously, what is the 2-3 year plan for this lineup? Their farm system has TWO players that project as full time hitters. One has zero power and some questions about how he'll translate to MLB and the other is hitting .235 in AA with at least a 3+ year ETA, if he doesn't Kingery himself first.

3 years from now, Harper and Trea will be nearly useless. Schwarber will either be gone or similarly overpaid and past prime. Castellanos and Bohm not under contract. Stott/Realmuto mercifully out of the lineup.

Who the hell is going to hit the damn ball for this team? For all the crap Bohm gets, he's the ONLY player on the current MLB roster I might actually want in this lineup 2-3 years from now.

24 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I realize the MLB draft is all about getting talent. Get the guys that project well. Combination of upside and a realistic path to get there. If that's all pitchers, then that's all pitchers. Let the chips fall where they may.

But seriously, what is the 2-3 year plan for this lineup? Their farm system has TWO players that project as full time hitters. One has zero power and some questions about how he'll translate to MLB and the other is hitting .235 in AA with at least a 3+ year ETA, if he doesn't Kingery himself first.

3 years from now, Harper and Trea will be nearly useless. Schwarber will either be gone or similarly overpaid and past prime. Castellanos and Bohm not under contract. Stott/Realmuto mercifully out of the lineup.

Who the hell is going to hit the damn ball for this team? For all the crap Bohm gets, he's the ONLY player on the current MLB roster I might actually want in this lineup 2-3 years from now.

Crawford (CF), Tait (C) and Miller (SS). Beyond those guys, they don’t have much. Harper will play first, Turner in LF, and Schwarber at DH. They’ll have holes at 3B, RF and 2B, assuming Bohm and Stott aren’t retained. My guess is they buy a big FA RF in the offseason. I wouldn’t mind buying low on Stott and offering him an extremely below market value contract extension in the hopes he turns his hitting around, but yeah, it doesn’t look good for him at the moment.

30 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

Crawford (CF), Tait (C) and Miller (SS). Beyond those guys, they don’t have much. Harper will play first, Turner in LF, and Schwarber at DH. They’ll have holes at 3B, RF and 2B, assuming Bohm and Stott aren’t retained. My guess is they buy a big FA RF in the offseason. I wouldn’t mind buying low on Stott and offering him an extremely below market value contract extension in the hopes he turns his hitting around, but yeah, it doesn’t look good for him at the moment.

I’m guessing Bohm is gone. He’s going to be 30ish when his arbitration runs out. And i don’t see them giving him the money he probably wants. Stott is likely also gone as i suspect if they keep miller he goes to SS and they may move turner over to 2b. Frankly Stott is likely a candidate where he leaves and goes elsewhere and has slightly more success with a better hitting coach that helps with his stance. As a player he reminds me cardinals Donovan. He doesn’t have much power but the cardinals in the minors and during his time in the majors made adjusted his stance to add some hard hit balls. IMO Stott has regressed partially on his own but also long’s time as a hitting coach has passed.

The issue doesn’t change though even if you drafted bats in this draft. If you draft kids from college after first two rounds, they don’t have as high of ceilings cause most are older when drafted (unless most don’t think they can be signed and that’s why they fall). So closer to finished product which is fine but if struggle in minors then it’s obvious they aren’t mlb players. If you take the high school players, they are further away from the majors. It’s why these HS kids who are 18 or 19 stay in the minors for four or five years then they’re ready by the time they’re 23-25. Like Andrew painter turned 22 in April. He was going to be the exception at 20 until his elbow. Kid they just drafted wood is turning 22 in December. miller just turned 21 and likely up sometime next year or 2027. So will be 22 when making a debut. Also last 10 games he’s hitting .265/.432/.500/.932. Also his expected batting average on the balls he’s hit has been .304. So if you wanted high upside ceiling after taking wood then taking HS players that’s going to take 4-5 years of development (may or may not pan out) or guys you’d have to overpay to get to sign with you to get them here. Exactly what happened with the one kid Fisher in the 7th round who may or may not sign here.

Kerkering is the example with most college pitchers who project to bullpen pitchers. At south Florida Kerkering was a relief pitcher his first two years then went to mostly a starter his last. However he was close to his ceiling, everyone figured he’d be a relief pitcher in mlb and it’s why he fell to 5th round. Guys who most teams project to be RP arms tend to fall as most teams covet starters over bullpen in the draft. Kerkering was drafted in July and in the Phillies bullpen by late September as he was polished and basically why he flew through the minors in 2 months. I’m guessing Phillies hopefully that maybe Craig could be that (kid from Baylor) and maybe wood. Although i think wood with the shoulder they likely don’t similar to going slow with painter

4 hours ago, mikemack8 said:

Is this Alex Carr dude Dombrowski’s grandson?

he's DD's hype man lol

Honestly I’m happy cause he’s a great player but always hurt. You’d be basically crossing your fingers he makes it to and through October

4 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m guessing Bohm is gone. He’s going to be 30ish when his arbitration runs out. And i don’t see them giving him the money he probably wants. Stott is likely also gone as i suspect if they keep miller he goes to SS and they may move turner over to 2b. Frankly Stott is likely a candidate where he leaves and goes elsewhere and has slightly more success with a better hitting coach that helps with his stance. As a player he reminds me cardinals Donovan. He doesn’t have much power but the cardinals in the minors and during his time in the majors made adjusted his stance to add some hard hit balls. IMO Stott has regressed partially on his own but also long’s time as a hitting coach has passed.

The issue doesn’t change though even if you drafted bats in this draft. If you draft kids from college after first two rounds, they don’t have as high of ceilings cause most are older when drafted (unless most don’t think they can be signed and that’s why they fall). So closer to finished product which is fine but if struggle in minors then it’s obvious they aren’t mlb players. If you take the high school players, they are further away from the majors. It’s why these HS kids who are 18 or 19 stay in the minors for four or five years then they’re ready by the time they’re 23-25. Like Andrew painter turned 22 in April. He was going to be the exception at 20 until his elbow. Kid they just drafted wood is turning 22 in December. miller just turned 21 and likely up sometime next year or 2027. So will be 22 when making a debut. Also last 10 games he’s hitting .265/.432/.500/.932. Also his expected batting average on the balls he’s hit has been .304. So if you wanted high upside ceiling after taking wood then taking HS players that’s going to take 4-5 years of development (may or may not pan out) or guys you’d have to overpay to get to sign with you to get them here. Exactly what happened with the one kid Fisher in the 7th round who may or may not sign here.

5 hours ago, Blazehound said:

Crawford (CF), Tait (C) and Miller (SS). Beyond those guys, they don’t have much. Harper will play first, Turner in LF, and Schwarber at DH. They’ll have holes at 3B, RF and 2B, assuming Bohm and Stott aren’t retained. My guess is they buy a big FA RF in the offseason. I wouldn’t mind buying low on Stott and offering him an extremely below market value contract extension in the hopes he turns his hitting around, but yeah, it doesn’t look good for him at the moment.

I don't think anyone fully appreciates how barren the cupboard is on offense with the Phillies. For the 2027 season, Turner, Harper, and Schwarber will all be 34. Either 2 or 3 of them will still be on the roster and we'll all wish it was 0 of 3. Crawford will be the CF, but we have no idea what he's actually going to bring as a hitter. And Miller...he is FAR from a sure thing with a long road ahead that may not even lead to a MLB lineup. He may be starting the 2026 season in AA, so I have a hard time picturing him as the starting SS in 2027. Ignoring contract situations, Bohm is the one player on the entire MLB roster right now that we might actually WANT in the lineup 2027-2028.

Imagine if the Eagles offense had ONE player that actually projected to contribute at a reasonable level 2 years down the road….and it was a fairly unpopular non foundational player who would not actually be here 2 years down the road. There would be a meltdown.

30 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't think anyone fully appreciates how barren the cupboard is on offense with the Phillies. For the 2027 season, Turner, Harper, and Schwarber will all be 34. Either 2 or 3 of them will still be on the roster and we'll all wish it was 0 of 3. Crawford will be the CF, but we have no idea what he's actually going to bring as a hitter. And Miller...he is FAR from a sure thing with a long road ahead that may not even lead to a MLB lineup. He may be starting the 2026 season in AA, so I have a hard time picturing him as the starting SS in 2027. Ignoring contract situations, Bohm is the one player on the entire MLB roster right now that we might actually WANT in the lineup 2027-2028.

Imagine if the Eagles offense had ONE player that actually projected to contribute at a reasonable level 2 years down the road….and it was a fairly unpopular non foundational player who would not actually be here 2 years down the road. There would be a meltdown.

No offense they were going to be barren at that point unless miller, tait and Crawford were ready with this draft anyway. Unless you take a college kid who’s basically at his ceiling and could move up 5 different levels in 2 years. The time to have those guys ready would’ve been your 2021-2024 (lesser 2024) drafts.

Their other issue is their international development hurts them. They should have more hitters/everyday players coming through there. They literally haven’t had an everyday player that was remotely good since Carlos Ruiz.

Also thinking they are going to have Jt, Castellanos, Walker, wheeler and potentially schwarber all off the books them. So they can spend on more hitters.

I’d add there’s a great chance there’s not a 2027 season. Matt gelb alluded to it in his latest article

Those aughts teams are ancient history.

Schwarber just won the All-Star game by himself.

Just now, Dave Moss said:

Schwarber just won the All-Star game by himself.

NL bullpen looked like the Phillies. Then schwarber won it for the NL

Schwarber went 0-2 for in the game and won the All-Star MVP

Even money odds they replace Extra Innings with the Swing Off in the next 5 years

1 minute ago, iladelphxx said:

Even money odds they replace Extra Innings with the Swing Off in the next 5 years

I like it better than the stupid ghost runner

1 hour ago, iladelphxx said:

Even money odds they replace Extra Innings with the Swing Off in the next 5 years

Kind of like a shootout. I like it for the regular season not the playoffs.

19 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Kind of like a shootout. I like it for the regular season not the playoffs.

20 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I like it better than the stupid ghost runner

20 hours ago, iladelphxx said:

Even money odds they replace Extra Innings with the Swing Off in the next 5 years

I think you can't have that crap in the playoffs. Playoff marathon games are a thing of beauty.

In the regular season? They are really just annoying. Sometimes mercifully ending the game and saving the pen is more important than even getting the win. I think it would be interesting to toy with it. Ghost runner is terrible. 3 players 3 swings each team with the most HR winning...kind of fun.

21 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I think you can't have that crap in the playoffs. Playoff marathon games are a thing of beauty.

In the regular season? They are really just annoying. Sometimes mercifully ending the game and saving the pen is more important than even getting the win. I think it would be interesting to toy with it. Ghost runner is terrible. 3 players 3 swings each team with the most HR winning...kind of fun.

Agree. It works for soccer and the NHL. Regular season games where position players are pitching and 7+ hours long don't interest me. They could even do a hybrid where they play a 10th inning without GR and then go to HRs.