Is Thomson Fing stupid? Top of the lineup coming up and Kerkering hasn’t pitched since Monday. Use Fing Kerkering. JFC.

White flag by Rob going to Romano. Expect it to be a 6-4 or 7-4 padres win

Gee I thought MArsh would come through

either Kerkering is more than just "sore” and more hurt then they are leading on (major issue if true) or Thomson not using him since Monday in 2 close games and using banks in back to back games is gross mismanagement by Thomson

Having our 1-2-3 hitters up in the 9th down 1 run went about how I expected.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

either Kerkering is more than just "sore” and more hurt then they are leading on (major issue if true) or Thomson not using him since Monday in 2 close games and using banks in back to back games is gross mismanagement by Thomson

Maybe he just forgot that he didn't use him... Ever think of that smart guy!?

Just now, Bwestbrook36 said:

Maybe he just forgot that he didn't use him... Ever think of that smart guy!?

lol

But in seriousness unless he’s hurt and they don’t wanna put him on the IL due the All-Star break being right there there’s no reason not to use him. they’ve been in two back-to-back close games and it using him is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen. You haven’t used your best reliever with a bad bullpen in two close games.

Phillies 36-19 to start the year

Last 40 games 18-22

Eerily similar to last year

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

lol

But in seriousness unless he’s hurt and they don’t wanna put him on the IL due the All-Star break being right there there’s no reason not to use him. they’ve been in two back-to-back close games and it using him is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen. You haven’t used your best reliever with a bad bullpen in two close games.

What you are saying makes a ton of sense but, with this team can we be so sure thats the case?

Thankfully i missed this one watching fireworks lol.

Was Wheeler that bad ( when i say bad, i mean as far as wheelers standards go) or were things just breaking right for the Padres?

1 minute ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

What you are saying makes a ton of sense but, with this team can we be so sure thats the case?

Thankfully i missed this one watching fireworks lol.

Was Wheeler that bad ( when i say bad, i mean as far as wheelers standards go) or were things just breaking right for the Padres?

Yeah he wasn’t great. Jackson hit two homers off him. Frankly Jackson has been zapped of power prior to this game on the year. Had 5 HRs entering this game.

Even so the 3-13 with RISP and not using Kerkering in a tied game with padres top of the lineup coming up was stupid. Not shocking since their 13-0 beat down of the giants they are 4-17 with RISP

On 7/4/2025 at 11:44 AM, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d bet they go 3-6 into the break. They are usually awful in San Francisco. So I can see them losing two of three to the reds. Then getting swept in San Francisco and then winning two of three against San Diego.

Well my 3-6 prediction happens if they get swept tomorrow. Not how i expected to get to 3-6 but either way what a prediction.

Just a reminder that Stott is a bad hitter. Verdict in.

i hate wishing losing on this team because this is organization is too dumb to admit this team isnt a world series contender but i hope they do lose so they can finally retool this roster and get rid off dave dumba## and not give up prospects for more trash. hire someone from dodgers front office and let this person retool this roster.

1 hour ago, toughfighter83 said:

i hate wishing losing on this team because this is organization is too dumb to admit this team isnt a world series contender but i hope they do lose so they can finally retool this roster and get rid off dave dumba## and not give up prospects for more trash. hire someone from dodgers front office and let this person retool this roster.

They won’t admit it cause they are over the highest luxury tax threshold and if Dave admits they aren’t then he probably on the hot seat to lose his job. More amazing the guys that put them over were Romano, Ross and Kepler. So it’s not just $24 mil they gave them this offseason that we are paying Romano, Kepler and Ross. I believe it’s closer to $40 something mil due to the luxury tax.

The decision at the deadline wouldve been easy if the Phillies wound up pulling what the Mets did in 2023 where they completely cratered.

I think the single biggest issue is how bad they are at producing MLB hitters. From scouting, drafting, and progression through the system…they just can’t do it. It’s why I have no confidence and place minimal value in Crawford and Miller. And it’s why I’ve turned my thinking upside down to say that maybe they just go all in on what they have now and then tolerate sucking for the next 5 years until they can buy a new lineup….because they sure as hell aren’t building one.

Last 40 games (quarter of a 162 game season) by current playoff teams:

Dodgers 23-17 (had a 7 game losing streak in there)

Cubs 22-18

Mets 21-19 (lost 10 of 11 games during this stretch)

Brewers 28-12

Phillies 18-22

Padres 20-20

So the Phillies out of the six current playoff teams have been the worst over the last quarter of the season.

32 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I think the single biggest issue is how bad they are at producing MLB hitters. From scouting, drafting, and progression through the system…they just can’t do it. It’s why I have no confidence and place minimal value in Crawford and Miller. And it’s why I’ve turned my thinking upside down to say that maybe they just go all in on what they have now and then tolerate sucking for the next 5 years until they can buy a new lineup….because they sure as hell aren’t building one.

Then relief pitchers exist. The hitters at the trade deadline don’t exist. The two best guys are Buxton who’s unlikely waiving his NTC and he is perpetually getting injured. So chanc eyou get him and he’s hurt like he has been most of his career. There’s Suarez who’s gone after this year into free agency and rumors are Yankees are going to massively overpay. We don’t have the prospect pool the Yankees do to do that and get bullpen.

So it comes down to who is available to trade away your top prospects to get the type of bat you need? It’s why I was so adamant in the off-season that they should make the move for Kyle Tucker. The trade deadline isn’t what it was 6-7 years ago. The extra wild card makes less available so marginal upgrades require a big overpay. Better off doing those trades in the offseason.

41 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Then relief pitchers exist. The hitters at the trade deadline don’t exist. The two best guys are Buxton who’s unlikely waiving his NTC and he is perpetually getting injured. So chanc eyou get him and he’s hurt like he has been most of his career. There’s Suarez who’s gone after this year into free agency and rumors are Yankees are going to massively overpay. We don’t have the prospect pool the Yankees do to do that and get bullpen.

So it comes down to who is available to trade away your top prospects to get the type of bat you need? It’s why I was so adamant in the off-season that they should make the move for Kyle Tucker. The trade deadline isn’t what it was 6-7 years ago. The extra wild card makes less available so marginal upgrades require a big overpay. Better off doing those trades in the offseason.

I'm not asking that they trade everything for anything just because I think their prospects are overrated. But opportunities to improve the bullpen are there. I would protect Painter and, for the right bullpen arm(s), the rest of them would/should be available.

I also think they can't afford to have both Stott and Kepler in the lineup. Both left handed bats who can't hit anyone, but certainly struggle against LHP. Sosa is far from special, but he's more viable than both right now and at least presents a different look. They really should have either Trea in left with Stott at SS and Sosa at 2B with Kepler on the bench (too late for that now) or just swap Stott and Sosa at 2B. The 2nd half of their lineup is just anchored by terrible left handed hitter after terrible left handed hitter with a wrong side of the cliff JT sprinkled in between. Getting a right handed bat in there full time might at least prevent the opposing pitcher from completely taking innings off and coasting 6-9 every time through the order. At least throw a different look out there. That's part of why they suck with RISP. The top of the lineup with a respectable OBP gets on and then these guys blow it.

13 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I'm not asking that they trade everything for anything just because I think their prospects are overrated. But opportunities to improve the bullpen are there. I would protect Painter and, for the right bullpen arm(s), the rest of them would/should be available.

Problem is they don’t just need bullpen to win. Even if they get Duran and another RP, they will get to the playoffs and not be able to score enough.

Also because you are continuously in close games til end of the year and in a race then bullpen arms are going to eventually implode. Frankly it’s what i think happened with the Mets last year. The Phillies made the race for the NL East way closer than it had to be playing poorly. the innings for Alvarado in the past caught up to him kind of like strahm this year. they were in close games a lot of the times. They didn’t give themselves enough games where they were just blowing teams out. Give guys longer rest. So they continuously kept having to use them. And I think when they got to the playoffs and all those accumulated innings eventually caught up to them and they just didn’t have it anymore.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Problem is they don’t just need bullpen to win. Even if they get Duran and another RP, they will get to the playoffs and not be able to score enough.

Also because you are continuously in close games til end of the year and in a race then bullpen arms are going to eventually implode. Frankly it’s what i think happened with the Mets last year. The Phillies made the race for the NL East way closer than it had to be playing poorly. the innings for Alvarado in the past caught up to him kind of like strahm this year. they were in close games a lot of the times. They didn’t give themselves enough games where they were just blowing teams out. Give guys longer rest. So they continuously kept having to use them. And I think when they got to the playoffs and all those accumulated innings eventually caught up to them and they just didn’t have it anymore.

If there are no bats available and they are doomed from the start unless the lineup turns around, then they might as well shake it up. Despite all our frustration and fatigue, I think this is more a case of the bats not being good enough than personalities in need of a wakeup call. But they might as well give it a shot.

Why not bench Stott for Sosa and bring up Crawford for a while and bench Kepler?

Turner

Schwarber

Harper

Bohm

Castellanos

JT

Sosa

Marsh

Crawford

Might as well see how it goes. Shake it up if you can't add a real bat. Status quo isn't working. Do I think Sosa comes back to earth and Crawford hits about .230 with no power in their first stints as full time MLB players? Yep, I do. But I feel like they have to try something.

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If there are no bats available and they are doomed from the start unless the lineup turns around, then they might as well shake it up. Despite all our frustration and fatigue, I think this is more a case of the bats not being good enough than personalities in need of a wakeup call. But they might as well give it a shot.

Why not bench Stott for Sosa and bring up Crawford for a while and bench Kepler?

Turner

Schwarber

Harper

Bohm

Castellanos

JT

Sosa

Marsh

Crawford

Might as well see how it goes. Shake it up if you can't add a real bat. Status quo isn't working. Do I think Sosa comes back to earth and Crawford hits about .230 with no power in their first stints as full time MLB players? Yep, I do. But I feel like they have to try something.

They did that with Sosa last year when he was red hot for 2 months. He Eventually reverted back to being what he is. more you use Sosa the more he is essentially losing what makes him effective off the bench and playing 2-3 times a week. Sosa is great 2-3 times a week in a platoon. Once you make him a full time starter he’s consistently shown the league catches up to him and he loses value. Also Sosa is bad against RHP .215/.239/.562. He is great against LHP .344/.408/.940.

Frankly they should bring up Crawford and trade or DFA Kepler. They aren’t doing it yet and frankly kind of think Crawford is likely getting dealt if you are getting a Duran/clase. Frankly i think you likely getting a platoon with kemp/sosa and stott/sosa.

Want to wake them up i think you fire kevin long. Thats probably the best wake up call they could do. Unfortunately the Phillies are too much of p*ssies to do it

Feels like Suarez is likely costing you something like Crawford and Abel. And even that probably doesn’t beat the Yankees offer

Probably could get Luis Robert jr really cheap as he’s been bad and has a club option for $20 mil next year that the white Sox aren’t picking up. Frankly I’d deal something like Kepler or Rojas with a lesser prospect to take a chance for 2 months that he catches fire.

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

If there are no bats available and they are doomed from the start unless the lineup turns around, then they might as well shake it up. Despite all our frustration and fatigue, I think this is more a case of the bats not being good enough than personalities in need of a wakeup call. But they might as well give it a shot.

Why not bench Stott for Sosa and bring up Crawford for a while and bench Kepler?

Turner

Schwarber

Harper

Bohm

Castellanos

JT

Sosa

Marsh

Crawford

Might as well see how it goes. Shake it up if you can't add a real bat. Status quo isn't working. Do I think Sosa comes back to earth and Crawford hits about .230 with no power in their first stints as full time MLB players? Yep, I do. But I feel like they have to try something.

Sosa is great at his role, he is not an everyday player