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Official Philadelphia Phillies Thread - Still can't hit for crap

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16 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Alonso is a player Bryce would move to RF for. They apparently ask Bryce about it last offseason

Dumbrowski said they aren't going to a 400 million payroll so I think this is out the window unless you mean letting Kyle walk?

Just now, Khani1 said:

Dumbrowski said they aren't going to a 400 million payroll so I think this is out the window unless you mean letting Kyle walk?

I wish i saved the tweet but schwarber getting $10 mil more per so $30 mil but jt reducing from $23.1 to $13-15 (likely based off projections). So it comes close to balancing out what it was this year.

Would also have Castellanos gone (half as i think he’s tradeable if you eat half the salary and not take anything back), ranger’s arbitration is off ($8.8), Romano is off, Ross is off and Kepler is off ($24 mil). I also don’t think alavardo is coming back at $9 mil. Probably less than what he got this year due to suspension and injury. If you deal Bohm also his arbitration which was $7.7 mil. So with Castellanos at half that’s about $50.5 mil off their 307 mil payroll in 2025 (if you get schwarber at 4 years $120/5 for $150mil and jt somewhere between 12-15 mil per). I think they are probably willing to go higher to 325-330.

So they could spend and get one big move. Will they? I kind of question whether they will. I kind of think they actually are gonna trade for a bat and use the money on bullpen arms. Also have a couple guys who are in the minors who might also come up next year in terms of bullpen. Cade Obermueller and wood might be able to help contribute in the pen at some point next year.

25 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I wish i saved the tweet but schwarber getting $10 mil more per so $30 mil but jt reducing from $23.1 to $13-15 (likely based off projections). So it comes close to balancing out what it was this year.

Would also have Castellanos gone (half as i think he’s tradeable if you eat half the salary and not take anything back), ranger’s arbitration is off ($8.8), Romano is off, Ross is off and Kepler is off ($24 mil). I also don’t think alavardo is coming back at $9 mil. Probably less than what he got this year due to suspension and injury. If you deal Bohm also his arbitration which was $7.7 mil. So with Castellanos at half that’s about $50.5 mil off their 307 mil payroll in 2025 (if you get schwarber at 4 years $120/5 for $150mil and jt somewhere between 12-15 mil per). I think they are probably willing to go higher to 325-330.

So they could spend and get one big move. Will they? I kind of question whether they will. I kind of think they actually are gonna trade for a bat and use the money on bullpen arms. Also have a couple guys who are in the minors who might also come up next year in terms of bullpen. Cade Obermueller and wood might be able to help contribute in the pen at some point next year.

Good insight, thanks.

1 hour ago, Khani1 said:

Good insight, thanks.

I actually thought the Phillies show towards the end touched on their payroll of this year. With a looming lockout i wouldn’t be shocked if there’s some sort of cap implementation (can thank the dodgers) if you get the opportunity to buy out some contracts to become compliant

I thought Jim Salisbury made a good point, cause I was gonna mention this last night when the report came out that the tigers were like $250 million apart from skubal. The Phillies when they tried to get Garrett crochet, were willing to give up Aidan Miller and Justin Crawford. the Phillies don’t have a need for starting pitching, I wouldn’t completely rule out the fact that if they don’t believe Andrew painter is as good as they think he was gonna be that they would tie him Miller and even Crawford to go out and get a skubal. I think it would take all three of them. I do think the tigers would take that offer because it’s three top 60 prospects. Plus, he’s a free agent at the end of the year. Plus, whoever takes them unless they get a contract done prior is risking the fact that he could just walk at the end of the year. Plus, if you did have a contract done, you’re gonna have to pay him like $400 million. That said I don’t think it’s very likely at all

Obviously, it’s not very likely, but there is some sense that when Wheeler retires in 2027 you have that money opening up and his spot in the rotation. Luzardo, you might not be able to get a contract done. And if you’ve got skubal (no way it gets done without a contract in place) you could actually look to trade luzardo and bring back some prospects that you like. And how often does the best pitcher in the game become available. The Phillies anytime a big name pitcher becomes available seemingly are in those trade rumors. I don’t think they could get it done, but I wouldn’t be shocked if somehow they’re mentioned in those trade rumors.

18 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m more in favor of keeping Bohm til the deadline when they bring up miller. Then use Bohm at the deadline to bring back either a BP or prospects. I think the smarter decision would be signing Alonso or Tucker then when miller is ready in June/July trade Bohm. That said bichette’s 2024 was awful it’s why Bohm’s numbers are better last two years. Bichette was good in 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2025. He was better all those years than Bohm in avg, OBP, slugging and ops and usually HRs too

Add on in 2025 bichette was significantly better before he got hurt was on pace for a career year besides his HR total. Defensively bichette played shortstop so hard to know if his defense would improve switching to third.

2021: .298/.343/.484/.828 29 HRs and 102 RBI

2022: .290/.333/.469/.802 24 HRs and 93 rbi

2023: .306/.339/.475/.814 20 hrs and 73 rbi (135 games)

2024: .225/.277/.322/.598 4 hrs and 31 rbi (81 games)

2025: .311/.357/.483/.840 18 HRs and 94 rbi (139 games)

Bohm since 2021:

2021: .247/.305/.342/.647 7 HRs and 47 rbi (115 games)

2022: .280/.315/.398/ .713 13 HR and 72 rbi

2023: .274/.327/.437/.765 20 HR 97 rbi

2024: .280/.322/.448/.779 15 hr and 97 rbi

2025: .287/.331/.409/.741 11 hrs and 59 rbi (120 games)

I’d also trade marsh now when he has 2 controllable years left and off a good year. Cash in when another team still believes they can fix his left handed pitching issue.

Bichette has something Bohm doesn't have and that's speed. So I'd take that into consideration.

Sir Anthony Dominguez blows it

Lol, Seranthony Dominguez just hit a batter then gave up a grand slam. 🤣

Seranthony just gave up a grand slam in the 8th

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Seranthony just gave up a grand slam in the 8th

To be fair he walked into a bad situation but, still failed miserably

2 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

To be fair he walked into a bad situation but, still failed miserably

He pulled a strahm

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He pulled a strahm

Jays manager pulled a Thomson by making a lefty face freaking Cal Raleigh right out of the pen

5 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Jays manager pulled a Thomson by making a lefty face freaking Cal Raleigh right out of the pen

Should’ve went with a righty. Raleigh’s numbers (still good) aren’t as good vs. RHP on the season. Postseason he’s been awful vs. LHP but eventually that was going to flip. However little has been arguably their best RP all year.

Schneider is an idiot

Yup Phillies were the second best team and likely the only team that had the pitching to actually beat the dodgers.

I guess the Phillies get just a sliver of credit for being the only team to beat the Dodgers in a playoff game at all this fall.

People said the Dodgers were built for the playoffs, and that is certainly true.

What date and time are the parade?

Dave Roberts is an idiot for saying let’s go win 4 more and really ruin the sport. I’d be willing to bet a lot of owners will want to stick it to them when that lockout hits for being arrogant and airing that out there

I’m for no cap and spending money to build the team. However the dodgers attitude about what they did is laughable. The BS using deferred money in a way it was never intended and just abused something that was made to help smaller markets keep a star. Never a system that was made to defer over 600+ mil so could circumvent a way to keep adding but not be fully dinged at the time. Imo the dodgers arrogance is going to be the reason the new cba is written the way it is as other owners are going to clap back. But by then they probably don’t care as they’ll have 2 maybe 3 more titles

4 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Dave Roberts is an idiot for saying let’s go win 4 more and really ruin the sport. I’d be willing to bet a lot of owners will want to stick it to them when that lockout hits for being arrogant and airing that out there

I’m for no cap and spending money to build the team. However the dodgers attitude about what they did is laughable. The BS using deferred money in a way it was never intended and just abused something that was made to help smaller markets keep a star. Never a system that was made to defer over 600+ mil so could circumvent a way to keep adding but not be fully dinged at the time. Imo the dodgers arrogance is going to be the reason the new cba is written the way it is as other owners are going to clap back. But by then they probably don’t care as they’ll have 2 maybe 3 more titles

He's a piece of crap

27 minutes ago, John Blutarski said:

He's a piece of crap

I find it really funny. The Dodgers are talking, the only World Series they had before they got Ohtani and deferring all this money so they can sign a whole bunch of players was the one in 2020. Because they weren’t deferring money to duck more taxes so they can continuously sign guys every offseason. Dave Roberts continuously made mistakes. Roberts still makes mistakes but he’s able to get away with it because his team is so far more talented than most of these teams.

I see a lot of Dodgers fans are like oh your owner can do that. No owner is getting paid the TV contract they are or LA market. the rest of the owners understand what the deferment was set up and intended for. They are not abusing that system to gain an advantage.

I’ve said this before the lockout is going to change the rules on that deferment. And the Dodgers are likely going to be the team that has to pay the piper for egregiously abusing it. Granted, I think in their mind if they win two or three World Series it’s worth it to them.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I find it really funny. The Dodgers are talking, the only World Series they had before they got Ohtani and deferring all this money so they can sign a whole bunch of players was the one in 2020. Because they weren’t deferring money to duck more taxes so they can continuously sign guys every offseason. Dave Roberts continuously made mistakes. Roberts still makes mistakes but he’s able to get away with it because his team is so far more talented than most of these teams.

I see a lot of Dodgers fans are like oh your owner can do that. No owner is getting paid the TV contract they are or LA market. the rest of the owners understand what the deferment was set up and intended for. They are not abusing that system to gain an advantage.

I’ve said this before the lockout is going to change the rules on that deferment. And the Dodgers are likely going to be the team that has to pay the piper for egregiously abusing it. Granted, I think in their mind if they win two or three World Series it’s worth it to them.

Watch this....the Dodgers win a bunch of World Series, file bankruptcy and don't pay the players....now that would be friggin' hysterical!!

4 minutes ago, NYEagle said:

Watch this....the Dodgers win a bunch of World Series, file bankruptcy and don't pay the players....now that would be friggin' hysterical!!

Would be funny but not happening. I think selling the team down the road depending on how much deferred money they rack up makes it much more challenging. That said they might not sell but at some point guys get older and era passes. Going to be paying 200 mil in past decisions on deferments plus trying to a roster together of 300+ mil plus luxury taxes seems like eventually it’ll blow up in their face

Meanwhile the Phillies won’t

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