August 12, 20206 yr Just now, SBorBust said: Does the extra runner count toward a pitcher’s ERA? They feel sorry for the Bullpen so no lol
August 12, 20206 yr And Roman Quinn once again being a Fing idiot trying to dive for a ball he has no chance at. Who the hell is teaching him when to dive for a ball. That’s the second time in a week he’s botched that.
August 12, 20206 yr Did anyone else look up, see Scott Kingery, then drop their head in sadness? ANNDDDDD... K
August 12, 20206 yr 5 minutes ago, SBorBust said: Did anyone else look up, see Scott Kingery, then drop their head in sadness? ANNDDDDD... K More upsetting if Roman Quinn just plays the ball off the bounce it’s a single this game is tied at nine instead of being 10-9 and then I’m forced to watch him bat which He sucks at too.
August 12, 20206 yr 2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: He's not a "big time RBI" guy. He's "batting" second cause he's a big time "get on base" guy. Dude, he draws walks. Come on ..... I miss the days where first basemen hit for power and drove in runs. Now he’s a lesser Travis Lee.
August 12, 20206 yr 50 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: That's being kind. I missed the days where you 1 and 2 hole guys were on base speedsters who drew walks and stole bases. Oh and Hit and Run! i don’t know if you saw the highlights last night but if it doesn’t speak to this era of Phillies baseball nothing will. Like from botched pop ups with 2 outs allowing the orioles to score 2 runs to quinn completely misjudging a ball he obviously had no chance at to hoskins grounding out weakly with runners at 2nd and 3rd to tie and win the game. To the bullpen imploding. Heck wheeler couldn’t even pitch 6 innings against the orioles and our manager continuing to mismanage. It’s like the same thing over and over and over the last 5-6 years. So disheartening.
August 12, 20206 yr 2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: i don’t know if you saw the highlights last night but if it doesn’t speak to this era of Phillies baseball nothing will. Like from botched pop ups with 2 outs allowing the orioles to score 2 runs to quinn completely misjudging a ball he obviously had no chance at to hoskins grounding out weakly with runners at 2nd and 3rd to tie and win the game. To the bullpen imploding. Heck wheeler couldn’t even pitch 6 innings against the orioles and our manager continuing to mismanage. It’s like the same thing over and over and over the last 5-6 years. So disheartening. part of it is the manager but most of it is the players and that starts with klentak. if the phillies dont make the playoffs, klentak has to go.
August 12, 20206 yr 3 hours ago, toughfighter83 said: part of it is the manager but most of it is the players and that starts with klentak. if the phillies dont make the playoffs, klentak has to go. He isn't going anywhere, they will use the excuse of a short season.
August 12, 20206 yr do you think the Phillies took pop-up on the infield practice for anticipation of tonight’s huge embarrassing failure?
August 12, 20206 yr 7 minutes ago, Shocker54 said: McCutchen sucks maybe he should switch careers to activist or analyst on MSNBC or CNN What i don’t get is why he and Quinn routinely get starts over haseley. Neither of them our the Phillies long term future whereas haseley might be as we took him top 10 in the draft a couple years ago. I rather see what he can do to know then know mccutchen isn’t what he was and Quinn is a fourth outfielder
August 13, 20206 yr Get Hoskins out of the most important Fing spot in the Fing batting order!!!!!!!!!!!
August 13, 20206 yr Impressive showing by hoskins tonight. Grounded into 3 double plays. Slowly becoming Travis Lee 2.0
August 13, 20206 yr 13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: Impressive showing by hoskins tonight. Grounded into 3 double plays. Slowly becoming Travis Lee 2.0 Baseball is the hardest of the 4 major sports to understand what you do or do not have in players. It takes the longest...additionally, the most subtle and reversible flaws can derail production in potential studs, while transient torrid hot streaks in players that the opposition has not yet scouted/dissected can make scrubs look like building blocks. It's hard and every year even the best armchair GM's give in to brief sample sizes and make statements about what a player ultimately can be. With all of that said, it's becoming very, very hard not to label Kingery a utility infielder and Hoskins pinch hit power on good teams...or placeholder starters on weak ones. Hoskins is settling in as a career sub .240 hitter at 1st base. He doesn't walk THAT much or hit THAT many home runs to justify that egregious level of contact for a first basemen. I think it's pretty much time to close the book there. Kingery looks even worse at the plate right now, but he does have the COVID excuse and is earlier in his development. But at 26, he's not a baby anymore. Just another in a long line of recently hyped Phillies bats that dissipated after fantastic production in the minors. Makes you wonder if it's a systemic problem at this point.
August 13, 20206 yr 43 minutes ago, eagle45 said: Baseball is the hardest of the 4 major sports to understand what you do or do not have in players. It takes the longest...additionally, the most subtle and reversible flaws can derail production in potential studs, while transient torrid hot streaks in players that the opposition has not yet scouted/dissected can make scrubs look like building blocks. It's hard and every year even the best armchair GM's give in to brief sample sizes and make statements about what a player ultimately can be. With all of that said, it's becoming very, very hard not to label Kingery a utility infielder and Hoskins pinch hit power on good teams...or placeholder starters on weak ones. Hoskins is settling in as a career sub .240 hitter at 1st base. He doesn't walk THAT much or hit THAT many home runs to justify that egregious level of contact for a first basemen. I think it's pretty much time to close the book there. Kingery looks even worse at the plate right now, but he does have the COVID excuse and is earlier in his development. But at 26, he's not a baby anymore. Just another in a long line of recently hyped Phillies bats that dissipated after fantastic production in the minors. Makes you wonder if it's a systemic problem at this point. With hoskins this is been going on for about a year and a half now. I went back to August 2018 a couple weeks back showing how he’s regressed since that point in time til now. Furthermore Franco if he got the same amount of at bats over the same period of time as hoskins, he would have a higher average, more RBIs and like 7 less homers. At some point in time when it’s been a year and a half and he’s the same player over that stretch you have to say he is what he is. They need to find themselves a first baseman. Whether you move bohm to first or go to the market to get a first baseman. And it’s not even just his production it’s the fact when you watch him at the plate he doesn’t have any confidence. He doesn’t look like the same player when he came up to the Phillies. He looks lost and like he’s never going to get it back. I had high hopes for Kingery. I watched him at Arizona and he definitely had some Pop to his bat but man besides the 2 month start last year where he was good he’s really been bad to below average at the major-league level. Add on his defense has not been very good. There’s been way more balls that reach the outfield because he’s not in the right position or he doesn’t have the range to make the play. I think his career is likely destined to be a utility guy. He hasn’t had as much time as hoskins but the time he has had he has been more below average then I’d say even average or above average. I think it’s a multi thing problem. First I think they’re drafting guys that Their scouts overrate in terms of talent. I think this is been a problem in the organization since around 2010. Like even trades they made during that run how many of those prospects went on to do anything anywhere else. Carlos Carrasco might be the best prospect they traded. I remember the pitcher Knapp was supposed to be great turned out to never do anything. Drabek‘s kid was supposed to be great turned out to never do anything granted had some injuries. I think they hype up these guys and they wind up being not close to what their scouts are telling them. Which brings me to my second point of I don’t think their player development has been very good under Matt klentak and previously under amaro. I think klentak has gone way overboard on the analytical approach to the point where he’s ruining some of his players. Hoskins is a perfect example of changed his swing and approach and he’s lost. I feel like kingery is like that. Well Nick Williams pissed away his talent I think part of the problem is the Phillies made him change a lot of what he was taught in the Texas Rangers organization that made him a top prospect. They need better coaches to get the most out of these players and they’re not getting it. Lastly I don’t think they do a very good job international scouting. I look at the big market teams having success, there’s at least 2-4 good or great players from the international scouting on almost everyone of those teams. The Phillies don’t have any. They had one in sixto Sanchez and that was it. I can’t remember the last international player the phillies sign and turned out to be a good or great at the Mlb level. It legitimately might be Carlos Ruiz I can’t remember anyone else. And that’s a hell of a long time ago Frankly they need a fire Klentak and then they need a whole new philosophical approach with what they’re doing in their draft and development. It clearly isn’t working so clean house and get better scouts/coaches. invest more money in your international scouting so you can get those type of players that Atlanta or the Yankees or the Dodgers are pulling out of there frequently
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