Turnbull has no control

8 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

I don't think he is that good period, he just had a good stretch

That might be a possibility too. But that means if that’s the case, you should’ve rode him until he completely fell off as a starter. Using Walker hurt you and not riding it out also hurt you 

Just now, Joe Shades 73 said:

Stubb is not that bad for a month, but marchan is useless, in other words he can play outfield for this team

We’re about to find out, there’s no offense for those guys so that makes the bottom of our lineup real slim. We’re gonna have to rely on pitching a lot more to win games now because offense is gonna dip for a while 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That might be a possibility too. But that means if that’s the case, you should’ve rode him until he completely fell off as a starter. Using Walker hurt you and not riding it out also hurt you 

True bit overall it is the 5th starter so not that big a deal, walker has been what you can expect from a 5th guy really

This team has average young talent, Bohm, stott and Marsh are around 260 hitters, rojas is barely a major leaguer, no catcher....sorry feeling very negative tonight

9 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

Marchan sucks, they need to draft a quality catcher soon

I said this after they traded o’happe knowing how many innings realmuto had played and he was going to begin to breakdown. They should’ve had it in consideration in that draft prior to that trade if they were thinking about trading o’happe 

3 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

True bit overall it is the 5th starter so not that big a deal, walker has been what you can expect from a 5th guy really

My issue was more and i said at the time dont just assume because you put Turnbull in the bullpen he going to be good or that transition is just gonna go well. It’s not as easy as people think. it’s showing you that it is not. I said he’s on a one-year contract you don’t know how much is left in that arm or if he’s gonna stay healthy or whatever. Ride him until he runs out of gas. Trying to conserve him and hoping he could transition when he’s never done it and all offseason he wasn’t working towards that was going to be harder than they thought 

I don't see this great defense from Marchan mccarthy keeps saying, he let a ball go right by him earlier

1 minute ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

I don't see this great defense from Marchan mccarthy keeps saying, he let a ball go right by him earlier

I saw that too, he didn’t square up to the ball to block it with his body, instead he tried to lean in to it and had no chance. Maybe it’s first game jitters and he needs to settle in with more playing time. I’m not gonna judge him after one game too harshly but I’m not impressed either 

Bohm hitting .228 since May 1. I still don’t think he’s a cleanup hitter. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Bohm hitting .228 since May 1. I still don’t think he’s a cleanup hitter. 

Bohm came back down to earth, dude is a double play machine lately. His defense has been nice for the most part 

Need to go 3-3 on this road trip. So far so good.

2 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Need to go 3-3 on this road trip. So far so good.

That orioles series is going to be a tough matchup. I’d argue we actually face the 3 best pitchers in their rotation (i know Cole Irvin has a lower era than Rodriguez but i don’t think his stuff is as good). Got Suarez vs. Bradish, walker vs. Rodriguez and wheeler vs burnes. Burnes was scheduled for Saturday but they pushed him back to Sunday which is probably better for us as Walker vs. burnes really favored orioles. Unfortunately with Turner, marsh and realmuto out, it’s really a bad time to face those 3 pitchers and then tonight facing houck for Boston who’s been great. Given up 5 runs in his last 5 starts (32.2 IP) 

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That orioles series is going to be a tough matchup. I’d argue we actually face the 3 best pitchers in their rotation (i know Cole Irvin has a lower era than Rodriguez but i don’t think his stuff is as good). Got Suarez vs. Bradish, walker vs. Rodriguez and wheeler vs burnes. Burnes was scheduled for Saturday but they pushed him back to Sunday which is probably better for us as Walker vs. burnes really favored orioles. Unfortunately with Turner, marsh and realmuto out, it’s really a bad time to face those 3 pitchers and then tonight facing houck for Boston who’s been great. Given up 5 runs in his last 5 starts (32.2 IP) 

2-4 wouldn't be a disaster but we can win with Suarez and then scrape out one of the others and make it 3-3.  A win tonight would go a long way to making that happen.

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

2-4 wouldn't be a disaster but we can win with Suarez and then scrape out one of the others and make it 3-3.  A win tonight would go a long way to making that happen.

I think the issue that we are going to see with realmuto, Turner and marsh all out is our staff has to be basically be close to perfect cause we don’t have the hitting to make up for it. Getting 6 runs last night should be enough. So if we are going to win they have to not commit errors, pitching to be what it has up to this point and figure a way to score enough runs which really means guys like schwarber, harper, casty, stott and bohm have to step up.

longview things, I think they’re pitching is going to take a little bit of a step back. Because I don’t think they’re gonna pitch this well the entire year cause frankly it’s been pretty ridiculous. Frankly, I think that July and August schedule is going to get them a little bit. Their July and beginning of August schedule is really tough. But I do think their pitching is good enough to win the World Series. 

Imo the biggest concern i have is with their offense. I get where they rank and have guys injured, but the end of last years NLCS still is an issue to me. Even if Turner is better this year, i still think they are a bat short. I felt that way going into the playoffs last year, this offseason and even now. Like they lost Rhys in spring training last year and really never replaced him. Turner was added to be in a lineup with Hoskins to make the depth of the lineup even better. They have yet to actually do it. It’s why I’d like for them to make a significant trade for an outfielder. However i just see them doing it cause i don’t see tucker becoming available and Roberts isn’t worth a Soto type package. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think the issue that we are going to see with realmuto, Turner and marsh all out is our staff has to be basically be close to perfect cause we don’t have the hitting to make up for it. Getting 6 runs last night should be enough. So if we are going to win they have to not commit errors, pitching to be what it has up to this point and figure a way to score enough runs which really means guys like schwarber, harper, casty, stott and bohm have to step up.

longview things, I think they’re pitching is going to take a little bit of a step back. Because I don’t think they’re gonna pitch this well the entire year cause frankly it’s been pretty ridiculous. Frankly, I think that July and August schedule is going to get them a little bit. Their July and beginning of August schedule is really tough. But I do think their pitching is good enough to win the World Series. 

Imo the biggest concern i have is with their offense. I get where they rank and have guys injured, but the end of last years NLCS still is an issue to me. Even if Turner is better this year, i still think they are a bat short. I felt that way going into the playoffs last year, this offseason and even now. Like they lost Rhys in spring training last year and really never replaced him. Turner was added to be in a lineup with Hoskins to make the depth of the lineup even better. They have yet to actually do it. It’s why I’d like for them to make a significant trade for an outfielder. However i just see them doing it cause i don’t see tucker becoming available and Roberts isn’t worth a Soto type package. 

If they can play .500 over the next six weeks they will be fine.  I think they can do that if the pitching remains a strength and it doesn't have to be where it has been so far.  Yes, they will lose some when the pen can't hold a lead but if the top 3 pitch 80% as well as they have done so far they can win half the games up thru the end of July.  Some nights they will fail to score but they still have some bats and Turner is back very soon which will help particularly if they can rotate Sosa around in different spots in the field.

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

If they can play .500 over the next six weeks they will be fine.  I think they can do that if the pitching remains a strength and it doesn't have to be where it has been so far.  Yes, they will lose some when the pen can't hold a lead but if the top 3 pitch 80% as well as they have done so far they can win half the games up thru the end of July.  Some nights they will fail to score but they still have some bats and Turner is back very soon which will help particularly if they can rotate Sosa around in different spots in the field.

My issue was less about the regular season. I think they’re going to be fine in the regular season. To me it’s about the playoffs. When you have detailed scouting reports and that’s the only team you’re focused on because if you don’t beat them your season over. That’s what happened with the Diamondbacks last year. Their scouting reports told them that the Phillies have a high chase rate. I know the chase rate is better this year, but I dont trust in the playoffs that they won’t revert back to it when they begin pressing.

The Dodgers have a good enough rotation to exploit that if you’re gonna revert back/begin to press. To me, they still need another bat healthy or not to help with the consistency of this lineup. I said it during the playoff last year,  if they stop hitting home runs, they’re gonna be in a lot of trouble because they weren’t hitting well with RISP.  they get into the stretches where they can’t hit with runners in scoring position. Believe last postseason they hit .230 with RISP. And the last five games of that diamondback series they hit around 160 with Risp.  I stated it multiple times last year and even this offseason, they need to actually find a bat to replace Rhys hoskins. You don’t lose a 25-30 homer and 80-90 RBI guy, who hit .292 with RISP in 2022 and makes pitchers really work and not have an it effect your lineup. I don’t believe they have replaced that in the lineup. Their lineup in 2023 was supposed to have Turner and Hoskins and Harper would’ve played OF, DH and some 1b. Instead then and now basically got harper, rojas and Turner. No offense it’s a massive downgrade in the hitting department to go from hoskins to rojas. Even for all of Hoskins flaws 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

My issue was less about the regular season. I think they’re going to be fine in the regular season. To me it’s about the playoffs. When you have detailed scouting reports and that’s the only team you’re focused on because if you don’t beat them your season over. That’s what happened with the Diamondbacks last year. Their scouting reports told them that the Phillies have a high chase rate. I know the chase rate is better this year, but I dont trust in the playoffs that they won’t revert back to it when they begin pressing.

The Dodgers have a good enough rotation to exploit that if you’re gonna revert back/begin to press. To me, they still need another bat healthy or not to help with the consistency of this lineup. I said it during the playoff last year,  if they stop hitting home runs, they’re gonna be in a lot of trouble because they weren’t hitting well with RISP.  they get into the stretches where they can’t hit with runners in scoring position. Believe last postseason they hit .230 with RISP. And the last five games of that diamondback series they hit around 160 with Risp.  I stated it multiple times last year and even this offseason, they need to actually find a bat to replace Rhys hoskins. You don’t lose a 25-30 homer and 80-90 RBI guy, who hit .292 with RISP in 2022 and makes pitchers really work and not have an it effect your lineup. I don’t believe they have replaced that in the lineup. Their lineup in 2023 was supposed to have Turner and Hoskins and Harper would’ve played OF, DH and some 1b. Instead then and now basically got harper, rojas and Turner. No offense it’s a massive downgrade in the hitting department to go from hoskins to rojas. Even for all of Hoskins flaws 

I'm not worried about the playoffs yet.  Let's get into the 2nd half of August and still leading the division by 7 or 8 games and then we can talk playoffs.

6 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

I'm not worried about the playoffs yet.  Let's get into the 2nd half of August and still leading the division by 7 or 8 games and then we can talk playoffs.

The reason why it bring it up right now, is the National League I would argue with the weakest it’s been over the last couple years. I thought it was gonna be better. But when you look at it, the Brewers are the third best team and I don’t even think their team is as good this year as it was last year. The Braves have lost two of their best players and really leaking oil.

The team that you’re really competing with is the Dodgers. So I say to myself are we good enough to beat the Dodgers in a seven game series? Not sure they are. The Dodgers pitching has been nearly as good as the Phillies. Frankly those 3 mvp type guys in freeman, betts and ohtani in the lineup surrounded by Hernandez having a good year, muncy is ridiculously good. And I’m guessing they’ll add at the deadline. IMO this isn’t the year to make a minimal upgrade. It’s the year to go all in cause this might be your best shot. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

IMO this isn’t the year to make a minimal upgrade. It’s the year to go all in cause this might be your best shot. 

I agree with this 100%

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

I agree with this 100%

Honestly the Phillies really need some big movements in the standings to make that happen. In the AL only 4 teams are outside of 4 games in the race for the last WC spot. In the NL it’s 2. Imo we really should be rooting against teams like Tampa, Astros, blue jays to just fall out of contention so the market is better.  Particularly the Astros. More reason for them to deal Tucker if they believe they are out of it. 

 

That’s not good 

 

Nola looking shaky tonight.

This feels like it’s going to be a really long night. Nola looks like he might not get to the 5th and our lineup is awful.