June 16, 20242 yr 14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: Makes this worse is the Braves look like they are gonna sweep the rays and picked up 2 games. people seem to think the Braves can’t catch them is laughable. They caught the Mets a couple years back with a similar type of lead. And the Phillies July through mid August schedule is brutal. Way too early for people to be assuming the Phillies have the division locked. Don’t think those people know that baseball is played for 162 games. This is what we all knew would happen with our Phils, struggles will happen to good teams it’s not how do they respond once they get back home and get healthy guys back. Losing JT is a serious impact and people also blowing him off saying he’s not a superstar we’ll be fine don’t know that a catcher is a lot more than bat and glove. Probably the most important player on the field besides the pitcher. The dark days have begun it’s just how long are we gonna be in the dark for?
June 16, 20242 yr 8 minutes ago, RoadToHell said: Way too early for people to be assuming the Phillies have the division locked. Don’t think those people know that baseball is played for 162 games. This is what we all knew would happen with our Phils, struggles will happen to good teams it’s not how do they respond once they get back home and get healthy guys back. Losing JT is a serious impact and people also blowing him off saying he’s not a superstar we’ll be fine don’t know that a catcher is a lot more than bat and glove. Probably the most important player on the field besides the pitcher. The dark days have begun it’s just how long are we gonna be in the dark for? At least the rays didn’t completely meltdown and lose today. Saving grace of todays awful performance. let me point out with the whole Jt realmuto issue, I said when they traded for Brandon marsh it didn’t love it because o’happe is a good hitting catcher prospect with solid defensive upside. It is hard to trade away a young catcher who was a top 100 prospect for an outfielder. It is much easier to find outfielders than good hitting catchers. It’s a coveted position. O’happe is having a very good year. He’s hitting .284/.335/.811 with 9 HRS and 31 RBIs. I like marsh. He’s a solid OF but i don’t think marsh has nearly the value a good catcher prospect had. Frankly think O’hoppe had higher upside as he’s a good hitting catcher and controllable for many years and JT was getting older. meanwhile they should’ve kept him or drafted and developed a catcher and tried to decrease JT’s innings caught instead of Stubbs who was never going to do that.
June 16, 20242 yr 4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: At least the rays didn’t completely meltdown and lose today. Saving grace of todays awful performance. let me point out with the whole Jt realmuto issue, I said when they traded for Brandon marsh it didn’t love it because o’happe is a good hitting catcher prospect with solid defensive upside. It is hard to trade away a young catcher who was a top 100 prospect for an outfielder. It is much easier to find outfielders than good hitting catchers. It’s a coveted position. O’happe is having a very good year. He’s hitting .284/.335/.811 with 9 HRS and 31 RBIs. I like marsh. He’s a solid OF but i don’t think marsh has nearly the value a good catcher prospect had. Frankly think O’hoppe had higher upside as he’s a good hitting catcher and controllable for many years and JT was getting older. meanwhile they should’ve kept him or drafted and developed a catcher and tried to decrease JT’s innings caught instead of Stubbs who was never going to do that. It's no coincidence things started going to crap with JT out.
June 16, 20242 yr 4 hours ago, Diehardfan said: It's no coincidence things started going to crap with JT out. I said when they made that marsh trade, you’re gonna need a better backup catcher because JT was not getting any younger. And he had the most innings caught of any catcher by a lot. there was the thought that by the time he got to the second last year that contract, he could really be declined and not be able to play as many games as you want him too as his body is breaking down. So you better have a competent backup or a young kid like O’hoppe that you platoon with him so he could stay fresher as he got older. I argued then and I’d argue now O’hoppe was a more valuable prospect due to position than marsh and with how marsh showed at the MLB level. The fact the Phillies won’t just let marsh be a full time player and they don’t play him with certain matchups is an issue. Cause he’s either a platoon player cause they don’t trust him or he’s not good enough to be an everyday hitter. Add on jt getting older could’ve used O’hoppe to keep him fresh so he doesn’t breakdown as fast. This isn’t to just bash marsh. I think he solid. I just think it is a bad move to trade away a promising good hitting catcher for an outfielder that the angels were down on because of what his career looked like early on. I thought they made a poor value trade. And I do believe as the years go on it is going to play out that o’hope is just a better player at a more coveted position than Brandon marsh.
June 16, 20242 yr 46 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: Makes this worse is the Braves look like they are gonna sweep the rays and picked up 2 games. people seem to think the Braves can’t catch them is laughable. They caught the Mets a couple years back with a similar type of lead. And the Phillies July through mid August schedule is brutal. Braves lose
June 16, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, John Blutarski said: Wheeler is horrible He will finish with a close to 4 ERA this year, he has lost velocity and he is not the same pitcher
June 16, 20242 yr 37 minutes ago, RoadToHell said: Way too early for people to be assuming the Phillies have the division locked. Don’t think those people know that baseball is played for 162 games. This is what we all knew would happen with our Phils, struggles will happen to good teams it’s not how do they respond once they get back home and get healthy guys back. Losing JT is a serious impact and people also blowing him off saying he’s not a superstar we’ll be fine don’t know that a catcher is a lot more than bat and glove. Probably the most important player on the field besides the pitcher. The dark days have begun it’s just how long are we gonna be in the dark for? 10-20
June 16, 20242 yr 10 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: Braves lose Yeah i saw. Saved by Siri hitting a homer in the 9th. And Tampa hanging on
June 16, 20242 yr 14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: The fact the Phillies won’t just let marsh be a full time player and they don’t play him with certain matchups is an issue. Cause he’s either a platoon player cause they don’t trust him or he’s not good enough to be an everyday hitter. How comes they don't play match ups with Rojas but they do Marsh? Makes no sense
June 16, 20242 yr 13 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said: How comes they don't play match ups with Rojas but they do Marsh? Makes no sense They do with Rojas. They haven’t as much cause marsh got hurt and Turner was out. they were really limited with LH outfielders. It was pache, Whit, Rojas, Dahl and Castellanos. Dahl was the only lefty. So essentially it was play Rojas or pache or whit. I figure they rather play Rojas to give him the at bats then whit with how he was hitting and pache who’s not long term option.
June 16, 20242 yr Honestly their outfield is a mess besides marsh and frankly he’s kind of just slightly above average. they need a starter and a bench guy cause whit, Dahl and pache are not good enough. That said the starter could’ve been avoided if we just signed bellinger this offseason when he got basically a 1 year deal with an option but decided the same lineup was good enough
June 16, 20242 yr 35 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: Honestly their outfield is a mess besides marsh and frankly he’s kind of just slightly above average. they need a starter and a bench guy cause whit, Dahl and pache are not good enough. That said the starter could’ve been avoided if we just signed bellinger this offseason when he got basically a 1 year deal with an option but decided the same lineup was good enough They don't have enough to give up, especially if they want to have a decent farm system
June 16, 20242 yr 3 hours ago, RoadToHell said: Way too early for people to be assuming the Phillies have the division locked. Don’t think those people know that baseball is played for 162 games. This is what we all knew would happen with our Phils, struggles will happen to good teams it’s not how do they respond once they get back home and get healthy guys back. Losing JT is a serious impact and people also blowing him off saying he’s not a superstar we’ll be fine don’t know that a catcher is a lot more than bat and glove. Probably the most important player on the field besides the pitcher. The dark days have begun it’s just how long are we gonna be in the dark for? this is why i hated dave's offseason, he doesnt take nothing seriously, it's like it's 82 game season to him and not 162 games, like you cant ride hamels and wheeler, that's the worst idea ever, no closer, no upgrades at bullpen, bench bats, i just hate the words, i like our team, that's exactly the reason why we will not win jack because he wont add more pieces, if he wants to win the world series, he has to add talent up the rear to win and not be in the middle of just not adding anyone. that's killing us right now.
June 17, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, Joe Shades 73 said: They don't have enough to give up, especially if they want to have a decent farm system It’s why I hated their off-season. Because even if you could make a trade at the deadline, you’re gonna have to give up prospects in your system. You’re better off just signing somebody in free agency and hoping it pans out than trying to make one at the deadline. At worse it’s just draft picks you are giving up to sign someone who’s tendered. Plus, the fact that the extra wildcard means there’s more teams that are still involved. There’s only really two teams out of it in the NL and three teams out of it in the AL. There’s a good chance that on July 31 you’re sitting there with maybe six or seven teams completely out of it. So a lot of those teams aren’t gonna wanna make moves to unload guys. we basically brought back the same team and added Merrifield and thought it was good enough. I didn’t think it was and still don’t. Add on your biggest competition in the dodgers have the farm system to do so and are going to make a move cause they are all in.
June 17, 20242 yr 3 hours ago, Joe Shades 73 said: He will finish with a close to 4 ERA this year, he has lost velocity and he is not the same pitcher Glad they gave him and Nola all that money.
June 17, 20242 yr Did they show the fighter jet on TV, flying around in the bottom of the 6th and top of the 7th? It was pretty loud, and the players stopped when they could see it coming. They apparently sang God Bless America before Take Me Out To The Ballgame, but the jet was hovering over the Inner Harbor and drowned out the entire song!
June 17, 20242 yr 41 minutes ago, xzmattzx said: Did they show the fighter jet on TV, flying around in the bottom of the 6th and top of the 7th? It was pretty loud, and the players stopped when they could see it coming. They apparently sang God Bless America before Take Me Out To The Ballgame, but the jet was hovering over the Inner Harbor and drowned out the entire song! Yes
June 17, 20242 yr Tough stretch but hopefully it wakes them up a bit. Keeps them hungry. We will see how they respond this week. Need Trea back badly so that will be nice. I'm all in on acquiring Luis Robert Jr.
June 17, 20242 yr 55 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said: Tough stretch but hopefully it wakes them up a bit. Keeps them hungry. We will see how they respond this week. Need Trea back badly so that will be nice. I'm all in on acquiring Luis Robert Jr. I like Robert but I’m not willing to give up a Juan Soto package that the padres gave up to acquire Soto if the reports are true on what the white Sox want. I don’t think he’s that type of player to do that. Even with 3.5 years of control that’s a big package for a guy who has concerns. Outside of 2022’s production Soto has been pretty consistent. Also soto had consistently played 150ish games (rookie year only year he only played 116 games and 2020 where it was a 60 game season). With Robert have durability concerns. Last year was the only year in the last 3 years he played over 100 games. He’s already been hurt this year. That is an issue. Frankly i think it’s part of the reason why the report by Bowden said they want a 4th outfielder cause they know there’s a chance he doesn’t stay healthy. I also don’t know if his 38 HRs last year is more of an outlier or he’s going to consistently do that. In the two previous seasons prior to 2023, he was on pace if he played 162 games for 30 and 20 hrs. His current pace this year would be 59. i don’t think he’d keep that pace up and it’s a small sample size of 19 games where he’s hit 7 HRs but also is hitting .186 with .260 OBP. This is kind of the same reason people are down on Randy A of the rays right now but Randy A the previous 3 years proved to be more durable than Robert and pretty consistent with his overall production. Frankly both have concerns and flaws.
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