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Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

And folks can feel free to freak out about it.   I'm going to pass on that reaction.  

Or you can accept that history repeats itself vs calling it freaking out. It's who they are. You are watching the exact reason they lost the last two years. They haven't changed at all at the plate. 

Just now, Diehardfan said:

Or you can accept that history repeats itself vs calling it freaking out. It's who they are

And who they are is a top 4 team in MLB.  🤷‍♂️

Just now, Diehardfan said:

Or you can accept that history repeats itself vs calling it freaking out. It's who they are

I’d love to know if the Phillies blow an 11 game lead at one point, how many teams have blown that type of lead in the division but managed to go on an win the WS? I’m guessing it’s not often. 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

And who they are is a top 4 team in MLB.  🤷‍♂️

Which means absolutely nothing. See the Braves last year, but that's a deflection away from history repeats itself, and the same issues that cost them are still there. Sure, they can get hot, hit a ton of HR, and win some games in the playoffs, but that cools off in 7 game series, and you have to advance runners and bring them home. They are horrible at that. 

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Which means absolutely nothing. See the Braves last year, but that's a deflection away from history repeats itself, and the same issues that cost them are still there

No deflection at all.  If history repeats itself, the Phillies remain better than the Braves... and we will get to enjoy the baseball season (or be pissed off about it, if you prefer) until the LCS or WS (aka, top 4 team in MLB).  There are a lot of teams that would like to experience that.  Its not the ultimate prize, obviously, but only one team ever gets to experience that each year.   I choose to enjoy the ride until it ends.

Is there a perfect team in MLB that I'm not aware of?  Each team has flaws and something that could tank their season in the end.  The Phillies are not unique in that.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d love to know if the Phillies blow an 11 game lead at one point, how many teams have blown that type of lead in the division but managed to go on an win the WS? I’m guessing it’s not often. 

Let's cross that bridge when it comes rather than try to speak it into existence.  

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

No deflection at all.  If history repeats itself, the Phillies remain better than the Braves... and we will get to enjoy the baseball season (or be pissed off about it, if you prefer) until the LCS or WS (aka, top 4 team in MLB).  There are a lot of teams that would like to experience that.  Its not the ultimate prize, obviously, but only one team ever gets to experience that each year.   I choose to enjoy the ride until it ends.

Is there a perfect team in MLB that I'm not aware of?  Each team has flaws and something that could tank their season in the end.  The Phillies are not unique in that.

To each their own. I couldn't care less about watching a team win games knowing the outcome that is coming. Been there done that the last two. It's honestly worst now. 

9 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Which means absolutely nothing. See the Braves last year, but that's a deflection away from history repeats itself, and the same issues that cost them are still there. Sure, they can get hot, hit a ton of HR, and win some games in the playoffs, but that cools off in 7 game series, and you have to advance runners and bring them home. They are horrible at that. 

I look at it this way just cause you have a top 4 record doesn’t mean that’s what you are now. They had the best record 3 days ago didn’t mean they were the best

they had the best team and record after 51 games at 37-14

since they went on that Rockies and giants road trip they are 28-29. That’s 17th best over that time. And it’s more than a third of the season.

since London series they are 21-24 which is the 21st best record in baseball.

since dodgers series they are 4-11 which is the worst in baseball besides the white Sox.

they are trending with each passing week to be getting worse. Ultimately I think they turn it around. But the 2022 Mets who were cruising. Hit the skids, blew a big lead and lost the division to Atlanta and got themselves stabilized but they never really recovered. Why padres beat them. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I look at it this way just cause you have a top 4 record doesn’t mean that’s what you are. They had the best record 3 days ago didn’t mean they were the best

they had the best team and record after 51 games at 37-14

since they went on that Rockies and giants road trip they are 28-29. That’s 17th best over that time. And it’s more than a third of the season.

since London series they are 21-24 which is the 21st best record in baseball.

since dodgers series they are 4-11 which is the worst in baseball besides the white Sox.

they are trending with each passing week to be getting worse. Ultimately I think they turn it around. But the 2022 Mets who were cruising. Hit the skids, blew a big lead and lost the division to Atlanta and got themselves stabilized but they never really recovered. Why padres beat them. 

They will get hot and hit some HR again, and people will get excited, but we've been close for two years, so the excitement about just winning games is gone. It's all or nothing now, and they haven't changed, and we know what is coming. They will smash the ball and win games while still having issues with RISP. A good pitcher in the playoffs will dry that up and they will lose. Why they can't start doing the little things to improve that with all the talent they have is beyond me. It's a coaching and approach issue to me. 

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

To each their own. I couldn't care less about watching a team win games knowing the outcome that is coming. Been there done that the last two. It's honestly worst now. 

Yeah.... I get that.  I didn't watch the end of the basketball season for similar reasons.

 

But, as I've gotten older I've also started to focus on the journey and not just the destination.  Life is too short to get pissed off about a sports team.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Yeah.... I get that.  I didn't watch the end of the basketball season for similar reasons.

 

But, as I've gotten older I've also started to focus on the journey and not just the destination.  Life is too short to get pissed off about a sports team.

That's in my DNA being from Philly. 

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

They will get hot and hit some HR again, and people will get excited, but we've been close for two years, so the excitement about just winning games is gone. It's all or nothing now, and they haven't changed, and we know what is coming. They will smash the ball and win games while still having issues with RISP. A good pitcher in the playoffs will dry that up and they will lose. 

I've enjoyed many a steak dinner at restaurants in my life... and each time I knew at the end of it there was a big bill coming at the end.  And, I didn't let the knowledge of the big check at the end diminish my enjoyment of the steak while it was there to be enjoyed.  

11 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

That's in my DNA being from Philly. 

Braves 6.5 back. Next 17 games: 4 vs. marlins, 3 vs. brewers, 3 at Rockies, 4 at giants and 3 at angels 

Phillies: 3 at Seattle, 3 at dodgers, 4 at dbacks, 2 vs. marlins and 4 vs. nats

id bet it’s within 2-3 games by the time they face each other in Atlanta August 20

9 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

That's in my DNA being from Philly. 

I'm from Philly too.  But, I've also experienced real loss... and come to realize... its just sports.  In fact, it was the run in '22 that helped my family through a sudden death in the family and even though they didn't win the WS, having baseball as a distraction during those tough days was a great blessing.  It gave us something to talk about, something that put a smile on our face and something to distract us at a time we desperately needed it.   My perception of the games has changed.  They are a past time.  They are entertainment, but I can't live and die with the team anymore.  This team will right the ship, as you said, and start to hit again.   And it will be fun, and I hope that it won't end the same way, but if it does, I'll still enjoy the games along the way.

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm from Philly too.  But, I've also experienced real loss... and come to realize... its just sports.  In fact, it was the run in '22 that helped my family through a sudden death in the family and even though they didn't win the WS, having baseball as a distraction during those tough days was a great blessing.  It gave us something to talk about, something that put a smile on our face and something to distract us at a time we desperately needed it.   My perception of the games has changed.  They are a past time.  They are entertainment, but I can't live and die with the team anymore.  This team will right the ship, as you said, and start to hit again.   And it will be fun, and I hope that it won't end the same way, but if it does, I'll still enjoy the games along the way.

I'm sorry for your loss, I also was dealing with my mom in the hospital dying during that run. It really helped me through it. I don't get the people that only come in here when they are losing to bring everyone down with them. It's just a game like you said and I'm going to enjoy it while it lasts too. 

11 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I'm sorry for your loss, I also was dealing with my mom in the hospital dying during that run. It really helped me through it. I don't get the people that only come in here when they are losing to bring everyone down with them. It's just a game like you said and I'm going to enjoy it while it lasts too. 

Appreciate it, and I'm sorry to hear of your loss.

21 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I'm sorry for your loss, I also was dealing with my mom in the hospital dying during that run. It really helped me through it. I don't get the people that only come in here when they are losing to bring everyone down with them. It's just a game like you said and I'm going to enjoy it while it lasts too. 

I remember talking to you when that was happening. It’s amazing how just a couple hours to get away from everything watching them can be therapeutic. My dog has cancer that came back. Been doing all different types of chemo with minimal success. So when i get to watch I’d much more enjoy them playing well cause at least i have that makes me happier right now. It’s not a mom but i understand when you are upset and sad, watching them helps you become a distraction  

that said im here game in and game out. Be here good or bad. Watching almost every game this year i think this team isn’t nearly as good as that 37-14 record. And they aren’t nearly as bad. Frankly i think never truly replacing Rhys and doing minimal during FA to make the team better was always going to eventually catch up to them. My preseason prediction was they’d lose in the NLDS cause i think everyone around them got better. Atlanta is not as good due to the injuries but padres, dodgers, dbacks when they are fully healthy have improved and are better. Even the pirates are much improved. Frankly i kind of think the Phillies bringing everyone back benefitted them early. April and May a lot of teams don’t have the continuity cause they have a much different team and figuring everything out. I think that benefitted the Phillies cause only new face was whit. I think eventually those teams that are actually good eventually figure it out and get better and catch up to you. 

This team blows.  Season can’t end soon enough 

33 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I look at it this way just cause you have a top 4 record doesn’t mean that’s what you are now. They had the best record 3 days ago didn’t mean they were the best

they had the best team and record after 51 games at 37-14

since they went on that Rockies and giants road trip they are 28-29. That’s 17th best over that time. And it’s more than a third of the season.

since London series they are 21-24 which is the 21st best record in baseball.

since dodgers series they are 4-11 which is the worst in baseball besides the white Sox.

they are trending with each passing week to be getting worse. Ultimately I think they turn it around. But the 2022 Mets who were cruising. Hit the skids, blew a big lead and lost the division to Atlanta and got themselves stabilized but they never really recovered. Why padres beat them. 

what's worse about this,this losing streak and the lack of moves by dave and the excuses by enabling fans that this is ok, it's exactly what this organization is and why we will never sniff a world series again, if the organization, dave, rob wont hold accountability with themselves to make things better, why should the players care and it's effecting them, they want to win and the organization doesnt.  that's why this team took such a long time to sniff a playoff appearance because john middleton just doesnt give a s###, he would rather wait until the big fish are available 8 years later after cliff lee choked in the playoffs rather than fix the internal problems and get good players that help them win along the way. ownership is all about paycheck and nothing else.

 

42 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Braves 6.5 back. Next 17 games: 4 vs. marlins, 3 vs. brewers, 3 at Rockies, 4 at giants and 3 at angels 

Phillies: 3 at Seattle, 3 at dodgers, 4 at dbacks, 2 vs. marlins and 4 vs. nats

id bet it’s within 2-3 games by the time they face each other in Atlanta August 20

That is sickening. Robby T should be fired the moment the Braves catch them.

Just now, toughfighter83 said:

what's worse about this,this losing streak and the lack of moves by dave and the excuses by enabling fans that this is ok, it's exactly what this organization is and why we will never sniff a world series again, if the organization, dave, rob wont hold accountability with themselves to make things better, why should the players care and it's effecting them, they want to win and the organization doesnt.  that's why this team took such a long time to sniff a playoff appearance because john middleton just doesnt give a s###, he would rather wait until the big fish are available 8 years later after cliff lee choked in the playoffs rather than fix the internal problems and get good players that help them win along the way. ownership is all about paycheck and nothing else.

 

Tbh my biggest gripe has been they never actually replaced Rhys. Last year their solution was Castro. This year it’s hays and marsh. They should’ve just brought Rhys back for a year. Played him at 1b. Had Harper play LF for a year. It wasn’t going to destroy or deteriorate him. That argument was one of the dumbest ones i kept reading. He does stuff at first where he almost gets hurt too. So it can happen anywhere. If you do that you at least have an extra bat that can potentially get hit and carry you when everyone else stinks. No offense to marsh, hays, Rojas but they aren’t the type that can carry a team for 3-4 games. As many warts as hoskins has he showed he can change a series (nlds vs. atlanta) and be a guy that lift the team for a week if he’s hot. 

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I remember talking to you when that was happening. It’s amazing how just a couple hours to get away from everything watching them can be therapeutic. My dog has cancer that came back. Been doing all different types of chemo with minimal success. So when i get to watch I’d much more enjoy them playing well cause at least i have that makes me happier right now. It’s not a mom but i understand when you are upset and sad, watching them helps you become a distraction  

that said im here game in and game out. Be here good or bad. Watching almost every game this year i think this team isn’t nearly as good as that 37-14 record. And they aren’t nearly as bad. Frankly i think never truly replacing Rhys and doing minimal during FA to make the team better was always going to eventually catch up to them. My preseason prediction was they’d lose in the NLDS cause i think everyone around them got better. Atlanta is not as good due to the injuries but padres, dodgers, dbacks when they are fully healthy have improved and are better. Even the pirates are much improved. Frankly i kind of think the Phillies bringing everyone back benefitted them early. April and May a lot of teams don’t have the continuity cause they have a much different team and figuring everything out. I think that benefitted the Phillies cause only new face was whit. I think eventually those teams that are actually good eventually figure it out and get better and catch up to you. 

I'm sorry about your dog man that can be a really hard loss too. Even when they aren't playing great it's still a good distraction it just doesn't make for a happy distraction lol.

I know you are here day in and day out and that wasn't directed towards you so I hope you didn't think that. Listen even after all I said today was the first time in this slide that I said to 2 people that this team is in trouble.  I don't have my head in the sand, I just choose not to piss and moan about it after every loss . 

I enjoy your posts it helps me understand more about the game

Once they get bounced in the Playoffs and Harper comes up small as usual, with only  4 years left I think they can get some stupid team to trade for him and give alot back

41 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

Once they get bounced in the Playoffs and Harper comes up small as usual, with only  4 years left I think they can get some stupid team to trade for him and give alot back

Frankly the one thing i think would be a silver lining if the offense is just awful in the playoffs or has the issues it has with RISP is that they might actually go all in on Soto