1 hour ago, GoEagles5921 said:

Hopefully they actually make some real changes this offseason.  Need more contact/high OBP guys, less home run or nothing.

I wish there were players like Tony Gwynn or Rickey Henderson nowadays.  We need people that get on base and advance.  Where are the pure hitters and the base stealers?

2 minutes ago, xzmattzx said:

I wish there were players like Tony Gwynn or Rickey Henderson nowadays.  We need people that get on base and advance.  Where are the pure hitters and the base stealers?

Padres are the closest to that. They struck out the least in mlb and they put the ball in play a lot. It’s why they’ve been pretty consistent after their rough start. 

Not talked about enough in this game, the decision to play Sosa wound up backfiring. Because he’s not as good of a fielder as Bryson Stott. Stott is at second base you probably turn that double play and you’re out of the inning without giving up 2 runs. Sosa was great when Turner was hurt but really that is not who he is. He regressed back to his mean. He is what he is a solid backup. At some point need Stott to play everyday and just see if he grows or not. Love and die with your best guys out there. 

1 minute ago, xzmattzx said:

Where are the pure hitters and the base stealers?

I don’t think they exist at the same rate as they did 10, 15 or 20 years ago. The game has fundamentally changed in the past 10 years or so.
 

Crazy stat: You had 36 guys in the MLB hit over .300 in 2004. Only 7 guys accomplished that feat in 2024. 

2 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

I don’t think they exist at the same rate as they did 10, 15 or 20 years ago. The game has fundamentally changed in the past 10 years or so.
 

Crazy stat: You had 36 guys in the MLB hit over .300 in 2004. Only 7 guys accomplished that feat in 2024. 

I think it can switch back.  Weren't we looking for a hitter at the deadline and got a dud?  You would think some team would start growing pure hitters in their farm system and beat this launch angle stuff and give pitchers nightmares.

8 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

I don’t think they exist at the same rate as they did 10, 15 or 20 years ago. The game has fundamentally changed in the past 10 years or so.
 

Crazy stat: You had 36 guys in the MLB hit over .300 in 2004. Only 7 guys accomplished that feat in 2024. 

Honestly the closest team that plays like years ago is really the padres. It’s cause their top 5 all hits for good average and doesn’t strike out at the rate others do around the league. (Dodgers are close cause of having betts, Ohtani and freeman… Hernandez this year has been way better with avg and Obp the previous two years)

arraez .314 and 29Ks

tatis .276 96Ks (102 games)

Profar .280 101 Ks (158 games)

machado .275 124 Ks (152 games)

Merrill .292 101 Ks (156 games)

Bogaerts .264 79 Ks (111 games) 

I am traveling in Kazakhstan for work so I fortunately didn’t have to suffer through watching this one as it started at 2am here. 
 

Said it after game 1 though, lineup just isn’t good enough. We thought these bottom 4-5 guys would grow and get better and none of them have. So you have a few superstars and a bunch of middling players who aren’t showing up against postseason pitching. 

This is actually accurate 

 

30 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

it's worse for me because I've have the Flyers and Union in the rotation too

1 minute ago, JohnB said:

it's worse for me because I've have the Flyers and Union in the rotation too

I have the Flyers but frankly i don’t think they are doing anything for another 2 years. So i expect them to just not be very good. 

 dodgers and Phillies having the bye week and won’t make it but really i dont think it was the bye week that got either of the top 2 seeds. The Phillies have just not played all that great for months now. They peaked in April and May. The dodgers got decimated by injuries. Glasnow done in mid August was the real killer. Then not having May or kershaw to have to start buhler and a BP game. having to go buhler and bullpen game is what’s going to sink them. 

Don’t know how the Phillies are -120 tomorrow but that feels like easy money on the Mets at +100

I would like to also point out I rather have had Blake Snell for 2 years and not give Aaron Nola a seven year contract. Nola wasn’t the biggest reason they lost today but he also isn’t worth seven years and 170 million. Nobody was giving him seven years on that market. Go look at all the pitchers and how many years they got. Him and Yamamoto got it. It’s going to really hurt in years 5-7 when they are paying him 20+ mil for being as washed pitcher. Blake Snell got 2. won a cy young and couldn’t get more than two years. You can say whatever you want about Blake Snell but when he's healthy he’s an ace and he would’ve been under contract for 2 years. 

Dave Dombrowski deserves a lot of blame for what this roster is. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but Matt klentak’s contracts are far less of a hinderance than the ones Dombrowski has done. Harper, wheeler and realmuto were klentak contracts. Klentak traded for Sanchez. He had some bad ones but not nearly where Dombrowski is. Schwarber and Castellanos are fine. But Walker is a disaster. Nola for 7 years is an issue. Turner for the length he got is an issue. Then trading a top 75 prospect for a platoon outfielder. Then adding hays, Merrifield and Castro thinking that it was good enough. Frankly in 2-3 years have to hope Crawford, painter and miller live up to their billing others you are sunk by a multitude of bad contracts and likely 4-5th place team for possibly 5-6 years if not More 

Ballsy by the padres. Then again darvish would be on normal rest for game 5 if it gets there and he threw a gem on Sunday.  

 

8 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I said at the time of that trade and I said it this year, this was less about Logan O’Hoppe being good. This was about you don’t trade a top 75 prospect and a trade chip like that to get a player that you have to fix to be ann every day player. That is a trade asset that is very valuable that you could’ve cashed in on a better more proven every day player. Go look at the deadline this year. No top 75 prospects by baseball America were traded. The Phillies traded one for a guy that had a high strikeout rate and couldn’t hit left-hand pitching. And you sit here 2.5 years later with the same issues, he’s basically useless the next game as the Mets are starting a left-handed pitcher

I'd take back O'Hoppe in a second for that bum Marsh, especially since Realmuto's offensive decline. 

The Phillies really aren’t even close to competing in this series.  They are very lucky they haven’t already been swept. 

7 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I would like to also point out I rather have had Blake Snell for 2 years and not give Aaron Nola a seven year contract. Nola wasn’t the biggest reason they lost today but he also isn’t worth seven years and 170 million. Nobody was giving him seven years on that market. Go look at all the pitchers and how many years they got. Him and Yamamoto got it. It’s going to really hurt in years 5-7 when they are paying him 20+ mil for being as washed pitcher. Blake Snell got 2. won a cy young and couldn’t get more than two years. You can say whatever you want about Blake Snell but when he's healthy he’s an ace and he would’ve been under contract for 2 years. 

Dave Dombrowski deserves a lot of blame for what this roster is. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but Matt klentak’s contracts are far less of a hinderance than the ones Dombrowski has done. Harper, wheeler and realmuto were klentak contracts. Klentak traded for Sanchez. He had some bad ones but not nearly where Dombrowski is. Schwarber and Castellanos are fine. But Walker is a disaster. Nola for 7 years is an issue. Turner for the length he got is an issue. Then trading a top 75 prospect for a platoon outfielder. Then adding hays, Merrifield and Castro thinking that it was good enough. Frankly in 2-3 years have to hope Crawford, painter and miller live up to their billing others you are sunk by a multitude of bad contracts and likely 4-5th place team for possibly 5-6 years if not More 

DD has been pretty bad in all actuality. His free agent signings have been average at best, and his trade acquisitions have all been dog crap. 

11 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

JT’s quote after game 2 felt like a lot of BS they’ve said all year when they bust out then revert right back.

I don’t know if any stories will come out in the off-season. More of an eagles thing when things go poorly. But they went on that Rockies and giants road trip in the end of May and were never close to the same team. We can say they just peaked during that April and May but I think something happened in that locker room. And there was a story where I think it was, Matt Gelb said, Thomson went off on some guys in the locker room, particularly Soto. So I’m guessing there is more going on the what we know for them to play as mediocre as they have for a while now. 

Pretty sure a lot of guys were upset when they traded away Merrifield, too 

Not feeling too good.  Just think we could play well tonight and still face elimination at home on Friday!  So, Ok with Ranger tonight and lights out Wheeler on Friday. That's our best shot.

Bohm better not be in the line up again, ever!  Whatever he has is becoming contagious.  Confident bats will be better tonight.  

35 minutes ago, DiPros said:

Not feeling too good.  Just think we could play well tonight and still face elimination at home on Friday!  So, Ok with Ranger tonight and lights out Wheeler on Friday. That's our best shot.

Bohm better not be in the line up again, ever!  Whatever he has is becoming contagious.  Confident bats will be better tonight.  

You got more confidence then i do. The last couple elimination games for the Phillies have been brutally bad hitting. They’ve scored 1 run vs. Astros in game 6 and 2 in game 7 vs. dbacks. I hope I’m wrong but feels like they just get destroyed tonight. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You got more confidence then i do. The last couple elimination games for the Phillies have been brutally bad hitting. They’ve scored 1 run vs. Astros in game 6 and 2 in game 7 vs. dbacks. I hope I’m wrong but feels like they just get destroyed tonight. 

Yeah - Ranger will be gone by the 4th and we'll be down by at least 4 

They're getting SMOKED tonight.

Well at least the betting lines have flipped to Mets favored at -112. Don’t know why it was +100 last night. I got in at +100 

6 hours ago, John Blutarski said:

I'd take back O'Hoppe in a second for that bum Marsh, especially since Realmuto's offensive decline. 

They were never keeping him cause of realmuto’s contract. Frankly i do like Tait coming up. I think he has a chance to be special. That said ive been saying this for a while, it was poor resource management. You never trade coveted prospects for guys who fall out of favor with their organization after a year of being called up and that you have to fix. Easily could’ve gotten a more proven everyday player. The Phillies weren’t the team that was capable of fixing his issues. They haven’t even gotten Stott, Bohm and Rojas to fix theirs. They put way too much faith in Kevin long. There’s a reason why teams have moved on after 3-4 years. I’m not even upset with long about the veterans being what they are. It’s on them and that’s what they developed into. But Rojas, marsh, Stott and Bohm have not nearly developed into what they envisioned. Bohm is the closest but I’d argue since his 4 hit game in Detroit at the end of June he’s basically given you 2024 Stott numbers