1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

....How would you know? And what kind of fish can give you syphillis? 

CDC website. (You would be shocked at some of the injuries for which we saw claims presented and now you know more than you ever wanted.) 

Per CDC:

 Rashes during the secondary stage:

• can appear when the primary chancre is healing or several weeks after the chancre heals.
• usually does not cause itching.
• may appear as rough, red, or reddish-brown spots on the palm of the hands and bottoms of the feet. However, rashes with a different appearance may occur on other parts of the body. Sometimes they resemble rashes caused by other diseases.
• may be so faint they are hard to notice.

Maybe it wasn’t the beach that caused those but other forms of recreation. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

HIPAA is at play here.  He's likely not in a position to give permission to share, and his mother might want privacy.   The hospital can't divulge anything without consent.   I take it as a no news is good news sort of thing right now... because no news means it isn't the worst news.  I pray we hear actual good news soon, but I just don't know that his mother (or whomever his HIPAA person is) is interested in answering questions or even worried about sharing.  This is a very private thing that happened in the most public of settings.  It has to be immensely difficult.

Fingers crossed he's ok.  My cousin was in a situation like this earlier this year and we didn't hear anything for a few days.  She was basically brain dead from lack of oxygen for some time and was kept on ventilator for many days to see if anything kicked in.  Unfortunately it did not and she did not make it.

Hopefully due to the quick response he's in a much better condition and we get some good news over next day or two... 

Hamlin also went to school with Maddox and pretty sure he was pretty tight with Sanders also

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

A neurologist would be clueless what to do for him.  Most doctors would freeze up in that situation too.

That's an ACLS situation where you want someone (doctor, nurse, paramedic, trainer, or otherwise) who does it often taking charge there.  Anyone who doesn't do this routinely is going to be a bit sloppier...doesn't mean they can't do it, but it's not an easy thing to just bust out once every few years.

Your acronyms are confusing to the uninitiated. 

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

A neurologist would be clueless what to do for him.  Most doctors would freeze up in that situation too.

That's an ACLS situation where you want someone (doctor, nurse, paramedic, trainer, or otherwise) who does it often taking charge there.  Anyone who doesn't do this routinely is going to be a bit sloppier...doesn't mean they can't do it, but it's not an easy thing to just bust out once every few years.

 

 

Stop. A medical doctor would not be clueless what to do for him. Kids who take CPR in high school save people at beaches every year.

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2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Stop. A medical doctor would not be clueless what to do for him. Kids who take CPR in high school save people at beaches every year.

Do you know what @eagle45 does for a living? 

30 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No doubt.  True professionals and lifesavers... All in a days' work for those guys I suppose.  My guess is that once that all starts, they get tunnel vision and don't even know that there's any one else around them.

My experience as well.

I have Medical people in my family and when the bell rings they become Focused.

Training...

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Do you know what @eagle45 does for a living? 

I do not care. Anyone who says a doctor would be clueless how to respond is full of crap or going to extremes to die on a ledge. Yeah, I'd like a cardiothoracic surgeon there, but saying a neurologist would be clueless in how to administer CPR is asinine. Yes, people who do it regularly would be great in that situation, but a doctor wouldn't be clueless.

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

HIPAA is at play here.  He's likely not in a position to give permission to share, and his mother might want privacy.   The hospital can't divulge anything without consent.   I take it as a no news is good news sort of thing right now... because no news means it isn't the worst news.  I pray we hear actual good news soon, but I just don't know that his mother (or whomever his HIPAA person is) is interested in answering questions or even worried about sharing.  This is a very private thing that happened in the most public of settings.  It has to be immensely difficult.

I don't disagree with anything but even with HIPAA there is often updates in high profile cases from somewhere. Leaks, statements etc. TMZ is probably hounding anyone coming in and out. I don't think it necessarily means anything one way or the other but if there was a super positive update it would be leaked out immediately. Just look how long it took his friend/marketing rep to take to twitter. 

Just now, Diehardfan said:

I do not care. Anyone who says a doctor would be clueless how to respond is full of crap. Yeah, I'd like a cardiothoracic surgeon there, but saying a neurologist would be clueless in how to protect the brain or administer CPR is asinine.

If I had a dollar for every doctor I've seen try to disappear into the wall during an arrest...well, I wouldn't be rich, but I could definitely buy a nice meal.  

I operate on the cervical spine a few times per week, but I'd rather have a paramedic stabilize a C-spine in the field than myself.  A paramedic is going to be far more versed in handling an arrest than any doctor that frequents football games.  Trauma surgeons, paramedics, ICU nurses, critical care docs...they are the ones that deal with this.  Neurologists, sports medicine docs, ortho...they weren't the ones in charge here.

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don't disagree with anything but even with HIPAA there is often updates in high profile cases from somewhere. Leaks, statements etc. TMZ is probably hounding anyone coming in and out. I don't think it necessarily means anything one way or the other but if there was a super positive update it would be leaked out immediately. Just look how long it took his friend/marketing rep to take to twitter. 

Leaks are the bane of modern times.

9 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

 saying a neurologist would be clueless in how to administer CPR is asinine. Yes, people who do it regularly would be great in that situation, but a doctor wouldn't be clueless.

Let me be the first to thank you for your over-estimation and high esteem of doctors.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Leaks are the bane of modern times.

Again, don't disagree, just the times we live in. If there was an update one way or the other do you think his teammates would be smart enough to avoid twitter? I don't . 

20 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Any chance Vai has a little juice left and can return kicks and punts. 

A certain Heisman trophy winning former Eagle RB and kick returner is available since he's not doing the people's business in the Senate!

 

Veering back into football...

I think Skoronski might be my #1 target right now. Can play RG right away in 2023, replacing Seumalo. If he's an all-pro there, you can keep him there. If Lane Johnson does retire in 2023, or 2024, etc. You can kick Skoronski to RT. He's smart and athletic, so he'll fit whatever Stout throws at him.

The best way to stay good is to have a good offense, and replenish the OL.

11 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Stop. A medical doctor would not be clueless what to do for him. Kids who take CPR in high school save people at beaches every year.

I was one of those kids, and the crowd was never the focus (other than keeping them away); you're really too busy trying to apply what you know and hoping that it works.  No doubt an EMT would be less sloppy - then again a neurologist might stand around expecting some else to step in... at least we knew it was our job until the ambulance arrived.

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If I had a dollar for every doctor I've seen try to disappear into the wall during an arrest...well, I wouldn't be rich, but I could definitely buy a nice meal.  

I operate on the cervical spine a few times per week, but I'd rather have a paramedic stabilize a C-spine in the field than myself.  A paramedic is going to be far more versed in handling an arrest than any doctor that frequents football games.  Trauma surgeons, paramedics, ICU nurses, critical care docs...they are the ones that deal with this.  Neurologists, sports medicine docs, ortho...they weren't the ones in charge here.

We aren't debating who would be better. Saying one would be clueless is another story.

 

40 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

In the hospital, any patient that arrests or deteriorates to the point of needing CPR results in a nurse calling a "code."  The code team rushes to see the patient and does their thing with compressions, shocks, meds, etc.  

They are pros and it's what they do.  

Even at an NFL football game...there's no mobile surgical ICU ready to be deployed on the sidelines.  There is no code team waiting to rush on the field.  The team docs and training staff aren't doing this with any meaningful frequency.  Paramedics...yes, absolutely.  They are probably the ones that actually took charge here.  They are the only medical personnel in the stadium that actually routinely deal with cardiac arrest.  

But for the personnel that does this all the time, like you said, it's a tunnel vision of focus and doesn't matter who is watching.

It depends.

The emergency action plan is practiced with the personnel around you. Training staff, doctors, coaches and other personnel all having their own task to carry out.

When possible you practice with the area EMS. But in many stadiums that's a rotating crew. If they're not well versed in the specific venues EAP they can really just get in the way. 

Other times,  you get a consistent crew, they practice with you and it works well. 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I was one of those kids, and the crowd was never the focus (other than keeping them away); you're really too busy trying to apply what you know and hoping that it works.  No doubt an EMT would be less sloppy - then again a neurologist might stand around expecting some else to step in... at least we knew it was our job until the ambulance arrived.

Yeah, I'm not debating if an EMT would be better at CPR. That's their specialty, but a doctor wouldn't be clueless. An a-hole not willing to help? Maybe.

 

39 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Stop. A medical doctor would not be clueless what to do for him. Kids who take CPR in high school save people at beaches every year.

Laymens CPR is very different that what happened on that field last night.  Not on the same galaxy.