A few people have come out and defended Skip Bayless and the retorts to those responses are, as you'd expect, completely devoid of any substance. Just responses like "bro, it's tone deaf" or "how about just being humane for once?"

You can tell what kind of argument someone has based on their nature of their responses. If they resort to emotionally driven one-liners with zero logic or sense, they don't really have much.

 

Christian Gonzalez might go top 10, so that could be a stretch to get him at 15 (but not impossible).

Really need Mayer and some WRs to blow up the combine. Looking at you Jordan Addison.

42 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Is it possible NFL is trying to push through week 18 in hopes of the Bengals/Bills game ultimately being meaningless?

I don't think there's really a way that it can't be relevant.

Both win... Bills/Bengals outcome affects their seeding, also impacts 1 seed as Bills have tie breaker over Chiefs.  

Both lose... Bills/Bengals determines the AFC North winner.

Bengals lose, Bills win... Bills/Bengals still determines the AFC North winner.

Bills lose, Bengals win... Bills/Bengals affects which is the 2 or 3 seed (could even impact 1 overall, unless Chiefs win, then they get 1 seed).

36 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Not really considering I was responding to a post about chest compressions . If kids who take basic CPR are able to administer it and save people it's nonsensical to say a doctor would be clueless. Yes, last night wasn't basic, but still, a doctor wouldn't be clueless.

The survival rate of a patient receiving CPR from a layperson is pretty abysmal. Performing CPR is different than performing effective CPR

4 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Mike, I’ve read this interchange without any dog in the fight.  So I looked up the historical Eagles rushing leaders at https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/leaders/yearly-rushing-yards and those stats do not appear to support the points you have been making.  What they do support is Sanders being consistently with an above average YPC compared to the other Eagles rushing leaders.  His workload doesn’t appear to be overly high either.  McCoy and Westbrook and Staley and Watters all had larger workloads.  

So I appreciate the research but I think that is a very strange way to analyze an individual RB.

Youre essentially comparing them based on how they performed vs. their teammates in any given season?

To me that seems like a very flawed analysis: Blount and Ajayi split carries as part of a RB By Committee approach in 2017, for example.   Ajayi averaged 5.8 ypc in 7 games with Philly but Blount was 4.4 ypc for the whole season.

Could you really use that data to come to any conclusions in terms of who is the better RB?  I wouldn't.

What’s amazing to me is the NFL seemingly has no plan in place for an event like this. Like from a business perspective, it’s very basic risk management strategy that they seem to have no clue about.

36 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Let’s just say Skip’s tweet was very distasteful. Would it really be necessary to have 100,000 people drag him for it? Social media behavior is so weird to me. 

Mob mentality.

16 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

A couple mocks I’ve seen have him going 15-18

I think he's CB1 and is definitely in our range without reaching - good size, smooth mover and very composed.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I don't think there's really a way that it can't be relevant.

Both win... Bills/Bengals outcome affects their seeding, also impacts 1 seed as Bills have tie breaker over Chiefs.  

Both lose... Bills/Bengals determines the AFC North winner.

Bengals lose, Bills win... Bills/Bengals still determines the AFC North winner.

Bills lose, Bengals win... Bills/Bengals affects which is the 2 or 3 seed (could even impact 1 overall, unless Chiefs win, then they get 1 seed).

Not completely irrelevant, but if the bolded happens, I think they just proceed with the playoffs based on the game being a tie or winning percentage. 

At this point with what they announced, they have few options besides moving along as is or postponing the playoffs. 

 

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The survival rate of a patient receiving CPR from a layperson is pretty abysmal. Performing CPR is different than performing effective CPR

If you don't get help in less than 5 minutes, you probably won't make it - having someone trained and on-hand is a minor miracle.

https://theathletic.com/3751194/2022/11/02/nfl-draft-2023-rankings-midseason/

In Brugler's rankings it goes

• Anderson, Carter, Young Murphy, Fashanu (went back to school), Ringo, Skoronski, Robinson, Breese, Stroud, Paris Johnson, Wilson, Gonzalez, Simpson, Porter J, Mayer, Quentin Johnson, Addison.

Note: Not a mock.

20 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Cam Smith is another CB that'd I'd keep an eye on in the 1st round.

Big dude with a ball hawkers mentality 

Great attitude, but a bit light.

11 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The survival rate of a patient receiving CPR from a layperson is pretty abysmal. Performing CPR is different than performing effective CPR

And? Effectiveness wasn't what was being discussed, but it happens was the point. If you want to continue talking about if a doctor would be clueless then go for it.

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The survival rate of a patient receiving CPR from a layperson is pretty abysmal. Performing CPR is different than performing effective CPR

It's also exhausting if you're doing it right. If you're doing it for any extended period of time you really need at least 2 trained people there to trade off. Got stuck doing 15 minutes of straight compressions before and I was fried by the end. Only so far adrenaline can take you. 

6 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

If you don't get help in less than 5 minutes, you probably won't make it - having someone trained and on-hand is a minor miracle.

sure. its better than 0% of no one is around. But layperson CRP gives you a survival rate still just in the single digits.

4 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Great attitude, but a bit light.

I don’t know what his sexuality or skin colour has to do with anything

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

And? Effectiveness wasn't what was being discussed, but it happens was the point. If you want to continue talking about if a doctor would be clueless then go for it.

he means relative to the appropriate responding medical professionals. 

 

 

12 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Not completely irrelevant, but if the bolded happens, I think they just proceed with the playoffs based on the game being a tie or winning percentage. 

At this point with what they announced, they have few options besides moving along as is or postponing the playoffs. 

Bills and Bengals would have identical records if that happened.  So, it would have to come down to the tiebreaker formula.

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

https://theathletic.com/3751194/2022/11/02/nfl-draft-2023-rankings-midseason/

In Brugler's rankings it goes

• Anderson, Carter, Young Murphy, Fashanu (went back to school), Ringo, Skoronski, Robinson, Breese, Stroud, Paris Johnson, Wilson, Gonzalez, Simpson, Porter J, Mayer, Quentin Johnson, Addison.

Note: Not a mock.

I try to never let one game move my off a player, but man Ringo was garbanzo beans against OSU from what I saw. I didn't watch every Georgia game this year, and the ones I did, I wasn't heavily focused on him on every snap, but anecdotally, some games I watched him he looks a little bit on the slow side to me. Not as smooth as other athletes. Maybe he is and I just haven't seen it, but he got toasted on more than one occasion vs OSU. OSU has some great WRs, but in the NFL you aren't playing against scrubs most of the time.

It will be interesting to see if last night has any affect on current players contemplating retirement. Lane said he plans to play maybe 2 more seasons and we all know Kelce has one foot out the door already. It kind of seems like the league has already started to somewhat trend with stars walking away early before late as is. 

7 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

It's also exhausting if you're doing it right. If you're doing it for any extended period of time you really need at least 2 trained people there to trade off. Got stuck doing 15 minutes of straight compressions before and I was fried by the end. Only so far adrenaline can take you. 

yep. And to e45s point, even with switching, theres probably no point in which the independent neurologist on the sideline ever gets asked to preform compressions. Youll have no less than 8 ATCs, and 4 team doctors on the sidelines, as well as the EMT crew. Plenty of people to switch on to compressions without asking people who dont practice these emergency situations regularly to step in. @Diehardfan whether you realize it or not, its a question of effectiveness. The neurologist isnt likely to be as effective. Its not what theyre trained to do and they likely dont practice it.

12 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

I think there's much ado about nothing here, honestly.  1 - ESPN isn't exactly the best source for information.   2 - What does it matter in the long run?  The game was cancelled as appropriate.  That's what really matters.  And now the NFLPA and NFL will work to get something in the CBA (or should) so that there is actually a proper protocol if (God forbid) anything like this ever happens again.   This was some unprecedented territory, right at the end of the season, with two teams thick in the playoff seeding picture.  The Bengals could end up as high as 1, or as low as 6 in the seeding depending on how things go.  Bills could swing from 1 to 3.  This isn't two teams with no playoff future in the middle of October where there would be time to figure things out if they needed to make up the game.  

Far too much effort trying to find someone to vilify in all of this.  This situation sucks.  The people in the stadium did the right thing and the results were the best they could be.  Time for people to move on.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Bills and Bengals would have identical records if that happened.  So, it would have to come down to the tiebreaker formula.

That would be a home run for the NFL, all things considered of all the possible outcomes. 

I really hope they don't eliminate the bye week between the CG and SB. That seems like an overreaction which is more likely to be unfair to the rest of the NFL, than being unfair to just 2 teams. 

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