35 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

The 49ers threw 37 times against the Saints. So I guess their coaches had a bad game plan? 

Literally, Mitchell left the game with a sprained MCL on the opening drive of the second half. And McCaffrey was banged up to the point they were using mason for more snaps at the end of that game. They were basically down to the last healthy running back by the end of that game in mason. Mitchell didn’t get hurt and McCaffrey wasnt gutting it through that game I am guessing they are more effective running the ball. Especially when Mitchell was averaging 5 yards per carry before his mcl sprain. Interesting when Mitchell was in the game, niners scored 13 points (injured first drive of second half). After he left, they scored 0 the rest of the day. 

they threw 37 times, scored 13 points. Congrats to the niners for scoring 3 more points than the eagles on an either bad game plan or because Mitchell left with an mcl sprain and mccaffrey was getting out snapped late in the game by mason due to being hurt. Watching that game McCaffrey shouldn’t been out there. You could see he wasn’t himself. There’s a reason mason had as many carries as mccaffrey in the second half. Both had 5. It’s cause Mitchell was out basically majority of second half and mccaffrey was gutting it out cause they were down to mason and mccaffrey. Mason finished the game with 4 runs, outsnapping mccaffrey on the final two drives as mccaffrey was on the sideline as the niners salted it away 

also, let’s take into account, Lattimore didn’t play against the Niners. A top 10 corner and saints  best secondary player missed the niners game. Meanwhile against the Eagles he played. he was good like he usually is

3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Rather than Richardson, I could see Howie taking a UDFA flyer on Max Duggan from TCU.  Right now (pending the National Championship game results) all the draft Boards have Duggan ranked way, way down.  DraftTek currently has him as the 15th ranked QB, which translates to the 330th ranked player for all positions.  @Original Sin has opined that he believes Duggan will not thrive in the NFL the way he has at TCU, but I believe Duggan's style and leadership qualities mandate a look .  Cameron Rising of Utah is another Day 3 or UDFA alternative to Richardson.  He is #14 QB and #284 overall on DraftTek.

Scouting Report: Strengths

• Athletic quarterback who is a threat to leave the pocket and gain positive yardage at any time. Possesses very good vision balance, elusiveness and deceptive speed and power as a runner.
• Gets the ball out quickly, making ·splitsecond decisions. Good short to intermediate level accuracy, demonstrating the ball placement to allow receivers to run after the catch.
• Duggan must be accounted for when used in the read-option game.
• Good (not elite) arm strength and can easily make all the NFL throws with effortless deep passes.
• Duggan plays with a confident demeanor and has the athleticism to move out of the pocket and create plays out of structure.
• From a physical standpoint, a prototypical modern quarterback.

Scouting Report: Weaknesses

• Duggan often holds the ball too long. While Duggan keeps his eyes up while moving, his mechanics get increasingly sloppy once he’s pushed off his spot.
• Has struggled with his decision-making and needs to improve his pre-snap recognition skills to read defenses and see blitzes. Doesn't decipher information as quickly as you would like, but does see the entire field and understands coverage.
• He is slight of frame, which is problematic for a dual-threat quarterback. Duggan has marginal height for the pocket, and there’s not much room to add weight (NFL physicality will be an issue, especially if he’s going to use his legs on a consistent basis).

 

Ward is another good alternative to Richardson

Probably more realistic if for no other reason than there’s a good chance Richardson goes top 10 or 15. Seems like people have very polarized opinions on him.

I was more responding to a convo about how we use draft picks though. 31 (or 28 or whatever) seems like it’s poised for an unusual move by Howie. That 5th year on a first round contract is valuable, and since Richardson is so polarizing — yet talented — it would seem like one of those out of left field picks that shouldn’t really surprise people given the eagles history at the QB position.

Well, I watched a couple minutes of the HS all-American game but the grey vs light grey uniforms each with teal numbers was too challenging… harkens backs to my old 10” b&w tv.

1 hour ago, SkippyX said:

I wonder how much money he got paid to stay at FSU. 

NIL

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

I think punter is the biggest question mark right now.  They have plenty of edge guys with the Johnson's on the team.  I think Sweat is fine and plays.  

They need a punter.  If you have Elliott as spot punter, you're opening yourself up to a potential injury that then puts you out both punter and kicker.  Not that they would, but NYG would know that and could very well take a roughing the kicker penalty every punt if they know an injury to Elliott make takes away any FG or extra point let alone punting and KO.  Or the Eagles go in to it with just Elliott and they go for it on 4th more than usual. 

What is the percentage probability of such an injury? 0.001%?  You are overthinking.

1 hour ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I was reminded about Foskey the other day… very productive.

The DE from Army as well ... Carter.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

I think punter is the biggest question mark right now.  They have plenty of edge guys with the Johnson's on the team.  I think Sweat is fine and plays.  

They need a punter.  If you have Elliott as spot punter, you're opening yourself up to a potential injury that then puts you out both punter and kicker.  Not that they would, but NYG would know that and could very well take a roughing the kicker penalty every punt if they know an injury to Elliott make takes away any FG or extra point let alone punting and KO.  Or the Eagles go in to it with just Elliott and they go for it on 4th more than usual. 

Sweat is Out on the injury report.  That means he doesn’t play. Down to Graham at DE as Robinson is Out too.  Think DE is actually the bigger issue.

The bolded is quite possible.  Regardless, all that hinges on a number of things. How is Sisposs’ recovery?  Do the Eagles get the bye? Not just the risk to Elliott.

1 hour ago, RLC said:

We're a top 3 offense because Jalen is a good runner & passer.

This offense can still be top 10 if the backup QB is just a competent passer. The problem was Minshew was neither a good runner, not passer vs. the Saints. This offense would also function with Mariota, but it would resemble what the Falcons do.

I think we need to be looking forward regarding QB.  Meriotta is looking backward.  Minshew is looking backward as well.  Time to build the future.

5 minutes ago, mattwill said:

The DE from Army as well ... Carter.

Also has NFL size/athleticism. I’m guessing 2nd round for him?

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Sweat is Out on the injury report.  That means he doesn’t play. Down to Graham at DE as Robinson is Out too.  Think DE is actually the bigger issue.

The bolded is quite possible.  Regardless, all that hinges on a number of things. How is Sisposs’ recovery?  Do the Eagles get the bye? Not just the risk to Elliott.

Quinn ? Can be fired up with something to prove 

1 hour ago, lornemalvo4133 said:

I expect Kern elevated to the roster. Remember he is the holder as well as the punter. 

Covey can hold.

59 minutes ago, TEW said:

Disagree. Plenty of teams trade for veteran QBs and then pay them. Just this year we saw Russell Wilson traded for multiple firsts. The Eagles have traded the likes of Wentz and Bradford.

Richardson has incredible physical talent and would be young. If he develops, he’s probably worth a lot more than 1 first even with the contract he would get.

And how did Russ work out? He will deter teams from doing it

With Sweat/Quinn out, we should be using more 4-3 looks with Cox or Williams at DE. This is the type of game to give Jordan Davis 25-30 snaps. Watch him get 15.

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

And how did Russ work out? He will deter teams from doing it

Russ is 34. Richardson would be 25 even after 4 years. Monumental difference. 

26 minutes ago, TEW said:

Yeah, and the entire playbook, coaching, and personnel are designed around that running QB. 

So when we no longer have a running QB, we have issues.

That’s the point. You can’t coach an offense and playbook for 3/4 of the season around a running QB and then when he gets hurt expect the offense to function in the same way when your backup can’t run.

So pick an offense around Hurts that plays to his strengths and make sure the backup also has those traits so the offense continues to play to the QBs strengths.

As far as inability vs unwillingness to run, perception is reality. If the coach doesn’t have confidence in running the ball without his running QB, then it doesn’t much matter if this view is wrong, because practically he’s still calling the plays. Again, it’s like asking Andy Reid to run the ball a lot.

So get a backup QB who can both pass and run, like Hurts, so the play calling isn’t disrupted by injury.

A straight hand off isn't some foreign concept that would be hard to execute with minimal time to implement.  On the contrary, its basically football 101.  

I don't disagree with the idea that the backup should have the same basic skill set as the starter... but, the roster was set long before today, and they should have had a plan ready to execute knowing that the chances were exceedingly high that Jalen wouldn't make it through the season unscathed and would have to miss a game or two, or more at some point.   That is the issue.  They pretended that he could go through all the games without getting injured OR that they didn't need a plan B for when he did.   Like I said, incompetent, unimaginative, arrogant, lazy or stupid.  Better coaches find a way to the thing you suggest... because they recognize the issue and have a plan B to go to.  I thought Sirianni would have a plan B.  I thought Stoutland would be able to coach up a running game without being completely reliant on the threat of the QB.  Shame on me, I suppose.

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

Yup, it makes no sense to play games with that roster spot when the bottom five guys on the roster aren't going to contribute this year and will likely be fighting for a job next year. 

Who are those "bottom five guys"?

30 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

The 49ers threw 37 times against the Saints. So I guess their coaches had a bad game plan? 

And had 29 rushes...  context is everything.  Minshew 'only' threw the ball 32 times.  Meaning, the frequency they passed was much higher than the 49ers.  AND... Garoppolo is a better QB than Minshew.  

2 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

And how did Russ work out? He will deter teams from doing it

Agree it will give some teams pause, but Wilson was 32 or 33 years old.  I was shocked they gave away the farm for him at his age.  I never saw him as a long career guy because too much of his game was based on his mobility.  It’s the same way I view Hurts and Lamar.  
 

I think it’s different if you are talking about a younger player…easier to buy low and sell high…or at least break even

People have been expressing their disappointment with Jordan Davis lately, and I can't disagree, although I'm not sure he's really had the opportunity lately. That said, I went back and looked at that part of the draft and the 14-20 range really was a dead zone for that draft. Honestly outside the top 10, that first round was really unimpressive.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Baloney.

The Atlanta freaking Falcons put up a huge running game against the Saints, with a rookie QB making his first start and a sub-par OL.  Give me a break.  The Saints can't defned the run well, plain and simple.

Add to that Driscoll is much less of a vulnerability in run blocking than he is in pass blocking.

10 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And had 29 rushes...  context is everything.  Minshew 'only' threw the ball 32 times.  Meaning, the frequency they passed was much higher than the 49ers.  AND... Garoppolo is a better QB than Minshew.  

Besides mitchell getting injured and mccaffrey was banged up so the rushing attack wasnt as effective, Lattimore didn’t play that day for the saints. So the Saints in the game didn’t have their best secondary player and a top 10 corner. So throwing the ball would make more sense if their best corner is out. He was playing against eagles.

I could understand the Eagles wanting to throw if Lattimore did not play. Because you don’t think the rest of that secondary is as good without him. Kind of like the Niners probably thought. However, once they knew he was playing and not just assume he wouldn’t be as good coming off injury. The dude is a top 10 corner in this league and probably the saints best defensive player. So that’s gonna make a difference on your game plan. Or should have

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

With Sweat/Quinn out, we should be using more 4-3 looks with Cox or Williams at DE. This is the type of game to give Jordan Davis 25-30 snaps. Watch him get 15.

IIRC the Eagles ran more of that in the last Eagles game.  But I would argue it was more of a 5/2 look a lot of the time.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

A straight hand off isn't some foreign concept that would be hard to execute with minimal time to implement.  On the contrary, its basically football 101.  

I don't disagree with the idea that the backup should have the same basic skill set as the starter... but, the roster was set long before today, and they should have had a plan ready to execute knowing that the chances were exceedingly high that Jalen wouldn't make it through the season unscathed and would have to miss a game or two, or more at some point.   That is the issue.  They pretended that he could go through all the games without getting injured OR that they didn't need a plan B for when he did.   Like I said, incompetent, unimaginative, arrogant, lazy or stupid.  Better coaches find a way to the thing you suggest... because they recognize the issue and have a plan B to go to.  I thought Sirianni would have a plan B.  I thought Stoutland would be able to coach up a running game without being completely reliant on the threat of the QB.  Shame on me, I suppose.

I think a bigger problem is opportunity.

We gave up a 6th for him on a cost controlled rookie deal. It’s tough to find a proven backup QB on a rookie deal giving up so little.

The proven vets who can run are usually free agents and want to join bad teams where they can start. And they’re expensive.

Thats why I think we need to draft a guy. It’s the only way to get the talent and skill set we need as a like for like replacement for Hurts.

3 minutes ago, TEW said:

I think a bigger problem is opportunity.

We gave up a 6th for him on a cost controlled rookie deal. It’s tough to find a proven backup QB on a rookie deal giving up so little.

The proven vets who can run are usually free agents and want to join bad teams where they can start. And they’re expensive.

Thats why I think we need to draft a guy. It’s the only way to get the talent and skill set we need as a like for like replacement for Hurts.

You keep focusing on the future, which is fine and I don't deny they need a better plan B if the coaches are incapable of finding a plan B with what is available.  They went into this with Minshew... they went into this planning to be run heavy with the QB.  So, they needed to go into this with a plan for WHEN Minshew had to play.  They didn't, that's on them.  Not having a backup more in line with Hurts' skill set is on Howie.  Then again, this time last season, they were still uncertain about Hurts as the answer for this upcoming season, and kept their ears up for a possible upgrade with a vet.

14 minutes ago, RLC said:

With Sweat/Quinn out, we should be using more 4-3 looks with Cox or Williams at DE. This is the type of game to give Jordan Davis 25-30 snaps. Watch him get 15.

Interesting, I thought we’d lean into the 3-4 (5-1) looks with Reddick and more Patrick Johnson - also plenty of DTs to rotate on the interior.