4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

 

How easy is it for any team/coach to adjust on the fly yet many seem capable. He was able to adjust after the half to what they were doing, so there isn't a reason he couldn't have had it previous to that. Even the commentators in the booth were wondering why he wasn't adjusting.

So all coordinators are able to make all the needed adjustments on the fly successfully except for Gannon?

We were top 5/10 in every defensive metric over the course of the season.  Using a single game with two backups in the secondary as proof that Gannon is inept is just weak tea.

7 minutes ago, Infam said:

But imagine.. beating the Giants and Cowboys at home and go to the SB..

That would be epic.

It sure would.  

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Yup.  My wife has Pizza Hut as our go-to when we order pizza.  Definitely not my favorite.

Costco is crap and still better than Pizza Hut. Doing that in Philly is like getting Olive Garden in Sicily

2 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Driscoll hasn't been bad. The Eagles didn't hide him at all in his two starts and he held up fairly decently.

If you look at how bad Evan Neil has been for the Giants, I would be way more concerned about their right tackle than ours even if Lane can't go.

I think people get used to seeing Lane, and think that's how right tackles are supposed to look. The truth is that probably half the starting right tackles in the league are way closer to Driscoll than they are to Lane.

 

Wrong.

Driscoll has been bad. 

4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

So all coordinators are able to make all the needed adjustments on the fly successfully except for Gannon?

We were top 5/10 in every defensive metric over the course of the season.  Using a single game with two backups in the secondary as proof that Gannon is inept is just weak tea.

That's a BS argument and you know it. The really good ones can, so why would you want to settle for someone who can't or refuses to?

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I'm still up in the air on Gannon. These playoffs will give much clarity. This defense has performed really well. But then there's things you keep in the back of your head like, and I wish I remembered the stat, but how many QBs he allowed to complete 80+% of their passes or something of that nature.

But your bones are made in the playoffs, so none of that will matter if the defense shows up. Can't allow a defense this talented to get lit up by Daniel freaking Jones though, I will say that much. And I'm gonna say right now before the fact, that if that does happen, anyone who dares try to excuse it by arguing that Daniel Jones is actually good... please don't. I'm telling you ahead of time to STFU. Daniel Jones has turned into a serviceable QB who won't lose games, but he shouldn't light you up either. And if you've watched the Giants week in and week out, the offense has not been all that great overall.

This weekend is going to be a joy for anyone who loved 90s football.

Jones stats aren’t that far off of Hurts and Jones has considerably less talent to work with

On 1/15/2023 at 5:14 PM, TorontoEagle said:

Daniel Jones

317/472 67.2% 3,205 yards, 15 TDs 5 Ints, 120 rushes 708 yards 7 TDs

 

Hurts

306/460 66.5%, 3701, 22 TDs 6 Ints, 165 rushes 760 yards 13 TDs.

 

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Jones stats aren’t that far off of Hurts and Jones has considerably less talent to work with

 

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I think you are correct.  Buddy and JJ both were very aggressive DCs.  Schwartz expected the front 4 to provide the pressure and rarely blitzed.  Gannon is also a guy that expects the front to get the pressure.  We cut our teeth on blitzing DCs, and we hung our hats on it, because that's pretty much all we had.

As for Schwartz 'delivering' in the post-season... I would disagree.  The defense delivered against the Falcons.  The offense AND defense delivered against Minnesota.  The defense in the Super Bowl went along for the ride that the offense took them on.  They won that game because the offense delivered, not because the defense delivered.   I can't remember a punt by the Patriots in that Super Bowl.   There were a couple iconic plays in that Super Bowl by the defense, but it was by and large the offense that got it done.

You're leaving Bud Carson out of the mix and he coached the best defense in the history of the team.  Carson didn't rely on blitzes but did use, as I recall,  a lot of Buddy's  46 defense  in place.  Buddy's defenses weren't necessarily blitzing defenses.  They were 8 men in the box defenses that made running the ball difficult.  It didn't mean they were bringing extra men on every down or often. It's similar how defenses use the bear front now.  

7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I'm still up in the air on Gannon. These playoffs will give much clarity. This defense has performed really well. But then there's things you keep in the back of your head like, and I wish I remembered the stat, but how many QBs he allowed to complete 80+% of their passes or something of that nature.

But your bones are made in the playoffs, so none of that will matter if the defense shows up. Can't allow a defense this talented to get lit up by Daniel freaking Jones though, I will say that much. And I'm gonna say right now before the fact, that if that does happen, anyone who dares try to excuse it by arguing that Daniel Jones is actually good... please don't. I'm telling you ahead of time to STFU. Daniel Jones has turned into a serviceable QB who won't lose games, but he shouldn't light you up either. And if you've watched the Giants week in and week out, the offense has not been all that great overall.

This weekend is going to be a joy for anyone who loved 90s football.

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

I asked for and got the following assessment of Driscoll from justrelax …

So, I watched every snap of Driscoll’s in the Saints game and the last Giant game.

Yes, he’s bottom 25%. His technique is decent enough but he has no pop. On run plays he can screen off and ride a guy down the line but as a drive blocker, well, he isn’t one. There were any number of run plays where he would pull and somehow not find anyone to block. He’s supposed to be a bright guy but he didn’t look it.

Against Cameron Jordan he was dominated physically. His arms are shorter than Jordan’s and the latter could control him with one arm and Driscoll couldn’t reach him. Cameron put him on skates a bunch of times. He had three sacks and could have had more.

Against the Giants, who can tell? He faced two second stringers, smaller guys who couldn’t overpower him.

I was wishing JR was here to give his assessment every since that Saints game.

Thanks for that. 

Confirms what I saw,  and also that jsb is clueless. 

 

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Jones stats aren’t that far off of Hurts and Jones has considerably less talent to work with

Aren't that far off?

You serious, Clark?

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

 

 

Yea but Daniel Jones has negative swag. 

7 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

So all coordinators are able to make all the needed adjustments on the fly successfully except for Gannon?

We were top 5/10 in every defensive metric over the course of the season.  Using a single game with two backups in the secondary as proof that Gannon is inept is just weak tea.

4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Is it really necessary to diminish the defense in the post season?

Falcons - 10 points 

Vikings - 7 points

Made some key stops in the first half and lined up Graham on a guard than lead to the strip sack.

Did I really diminish the defense in the post season?  I said everything you said.  I just added some other things for context.  The defense also allowed 500 yards passing and over 600 yards total that day.  

JJ's defense against the Patriots allowed only 24 points.  If they had gotten 41 points from the offense, then JJ's defense would have delivered in the playoffs, wouldn't they?

 

Buddy's defenses in the playoffs allowed: 20, 21 and 20 points.   Not exactly like they gave up a ton of points in the playoffs.  But the offense provided only 12, 7 and 6.  Who really should be blamed for those playoff losses?  The offense or the defense?   In 1992, they finally got a win in the playoffs... but still surrendered 20 points, but the offense put up more... and the defense scored twice.  A pick 6 and a safety.

 

JJ's defenses - 2000... 3 points and 20 points surrendered.
2001... 9, 19, and 29.
2002... 6 and 27.  
2003... 17 and 14.
2004... 14, 10 and 24.
2006... 20 and 27.
2008... 14, 11 and 32.

 

But, yeah... Buddy and JJ's defenses didn't deliver in the playoffs, only Schwartz' did.   Seems the difference is that Schwartz got better support from the offense when his defense needed it in 2017.  Buddy's and JJ's offenses didn't get it done.  In most of the losses for them, their QB turned the ball over too much.  The offense had lots of turnovers... 2000 - 3, 2001 - 2, 2002 - 3, 2003 - 4, 2004 - 4, 2008 - 3.    Seems that it isn't just about the defense with how things are 'delivered'.  

 

47 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm feeling a single high safety for this game.  8 in the box.

The issue is that they've stopped pretending Slayton doesn't exist.  Now,  there's a chance they can beat you deep.

I'm fine with playing D the way we have all year.  It's limited points and yards pretty damn well. No need to change. 

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Aren't that far off?

You serious, Clark?

Hurts crushes him in TDs, but jones has better completion percentage, less INTs, and very comparable rushing and passing yardage numbers. 

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

I asked for and got the following assessment of Driscoll from justrelax …

So, I watched every snap of Driscoll’s in the Saints game and the last Giant game.

Yes, he’s bottom 25%. His technique is decent enough but he has no pop. On run plays he can screen off and ride a guy down the line but as a drive blocker, well, he isn’t one. There were any number of run plays where he would pull and somehow not find anyone to block. He’s supposed to be a bright guy but he didn’t look it.

Against Cameron Jordan he was dominated physically. His arms are shorter than Jordan’s and the latter could control him with one arm and Driscoll couldn’t reach him. Cameron put him on skates a bunch of times. He had three sacks and could have had more.

Against the Giants, who can tell? He faced two second stringers, smaller guys who couldn’t overpower him.

How was Mailata this season Seems like it's been a down year for him. Would be nice to get JR's comments about how Mailata's season was

8 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

You're leaving Bud Carson out of the mix and he coached the best defense in the history of the team.  Carson didn't rely on blitzes but did use, as I recall,  a lot of Buddy's  46 defense  in place.  Buddy's defenses weren't necessarily blitzing defenses.  They were 8 men in the box defenses that made running the ball difficult.  It didn't mean they were bringing extra men on every down or often. It's similar how defenses use the bear front now.  

I didn't leave it out, @Connecticut Eagle didn't mention him.  Carson was great for a long time elsewhere before he ever got here.  But it was 'Buddy's players' by and large that Bud Carson used.  And after 1991... it really started to crumble on him for a myriad of reasons, mostly the loss of talent.  First the death of Jerome Brown, then Reggie leaving via free agency, followed by the rest of them.  

12 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

That's a BS argument and you know it. The really good ones can, so why would you want to settle for someone who can't?

I look at it this way, every coordinator has a flaw. They are not perfect. Got to take the good along with the bad. Even Jim Johnson had flaws. Now he maximize to the strengths so we didn’t talk about the flaws nearly as much. And we loved him and his style of play. But I remember games against Peyton Manning just absolutely destroyed anything that Jim Johnson wanted to do. That Cardinals NFC title game his defense was shredded in the first half. 

that said, I think the flaw he has is that he’s slow to adjust from his initial game plan. Maybe he’s stubborn to move off his initial game plan or he’s just slower at getting to the realization. And this isn’t just me saying it I’ve heard berman about it , Sheil and solak talk about it, mclane talk about from his sources with gargano, McManus has touched on it in interviews on 975 and Ross tucker has also touched on it about changing up due to the personnel we hav before it gets too late. It is OK to talk about that flaw. You hope he improves over time and it becomes lesser of a concern. However pretending like there’s no concerns/flaws with Gannon is just purposefully just not wanting to discuss it or accept he has some.  

 

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Hurts crushes him in TDs, but jones has better completion percentage, less INTs, and very comparable rushing and passing yardage numbers. 

Hurts played one less game than Jones.  So even giving up one game, Hurts threw for 700 more yards, threw 7 more TDs, ran for 6 more TDs, and had almost a 10 point higher passer rating.  

What??

Jones' completion percentage is 0.7% higher than Hurts.

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

 

Hurts played one less game than Jones.  So even giving up one game, Hurts threw for 700 more yards, threw 7 more TDs, ran for 6 more TDs, and had almost a 10 point higher passer rating.  

What??

Jones' completion percentage is 0.7% higher than Hurts.

3700 to 3200 is 700 more yards? That’s JSB level math.

And yes Hurts obviously had better numbers, but Jones isn’t that far off of him, at all.

And Jones had nowhere near the level of Brown/Smith/Goedert to throw to. 

7 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Hurts crushes him in TDs, but jones has better completion percentage, less INTs, and very comparable rushing and passing yardage numbers. 

I’d say hurts yards per attempt is significantly higher. It’s 8 yards per attempt. Jones is down at 6.8. It’s significant cause i think jones is using a lot more check downs and short-intermediate passes. Whereas before the shoulder injury hurts and the eagles threw the ball down the field at a higher percentage than the giants. Why jones % is as high as it is. Some of that stems from the weapons eagles have as compared to jones and the giants. 

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

 

Hurts played one less game than Jones.  So even giving up one game, Hurts threw for 700 more yards, threw 7 more TDs, ran for 6 more TDs, and had almost a 10 point higher passer rating.  

What??

Jones' completion percentage is 0.7% higher than Hurts.

Hurts could go 14-1 as a starter, make the Pro-Bowl, make 2nd team All-Pro, win the division, get a 1st round bye and then maybe people would stop hating on him…….oh wait. 👀