June 19, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, Uscg-green said: What experience do you have in LE? Not a threat? Ok he shot 50,000 volt darts at him lol. I watched the video a million times. I didn’t feel threatened at all.
June 19, 20205 yr Author 1 minute ago, greend said: So did they eventually go back to work? Still calling out. And sorrounding agencies are saying no to request from city
June 19, 20205 yr 13 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: You are 100% sure that he would not be a danger to the public had they let him flee? I’d say anyone stupid enough to fight two armed cops, and take a weapon from one of them, could easily be considered a threat to the public. If he is unarmed, it's pretty clear that he does not meet the standard. If he was running way with a gun in his hand, there's more of an argument for use of force, but not necessarily deadly force. Quote Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985), is a civil case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that, under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, the officer may not use deadly force to prevent escape unless "the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."[1] 10 minutes ago, Uscg-green said: What experience do you have in LE? Not a threat? Ok he shot 50,000 volt darts at him lol. Tazer's are non-lethal. Guns are lethal. Shooting someone with a gun to kill them for attempting to use a tazer while you have backup is a disproportionate use of force. Also, I can read the law: Quote Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985), is a civil case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that, under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, the officer may not use deadly force to prevent escape unless "the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."[1] This applies at the time he is shot. When he is shot, he is running away unarmed (after being stopped for merely sleeping in his car while drunk). He is thus clearly not "a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others" when that cop discharged two bullets into his spine. GA law specifically says that you cannot even taze someone who is running away from you.
June 19, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, Uscg-green said: Still calling out. And sorrounding agencies are saying no to request from city Thanks for the update.
June 19, 20205 yr Author 8 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: If he is unarmed, it's pretty clear that he does not meet the standard. If he was running way with a gun in his hand, there's more of an argument for use of force, but not necessarily deadly force. He was running away while firing a weapon at police. Case closed. You steal a officers weapon and fire it at then you are done
June 19, 20205 yr 10 minutes ago, greend said: The Law is clear, it's not first degree murder. This much is true. That charge will be difficult to prove.
June 19, 20205 yr 10 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: I watched the video a million times. I didn’t feel threatened at all. Trying watching it in 3d, with Atmos surround sound.
June 19, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, Uscg-green said: He was running away while firing a weapon at police. Case closed. You steal a officers weapon and fire it at them you are done At the moment he was shot, he did NOT have a weapon and was running in the OPPOSITE direction with his back turned. He tried firing the tazer at the cop BEFORE this happened. At the moment he was shot, he did NOT have an operable weapon and was running in the OPPOSITE direction with his back turned. Even firing a tazer does not clearly authorize the use of deadly force, because a tazer is non-lethal. At most, a cop would be legally allowed to shoot someone in the leg/shoulder, etc. to incapacitate them. They cannot SHOOT TO KILL someone basically at point-blank who is merely armed with a tazer, and while running away, no less.
June 19, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, Uscg-green said: He was running away while firing a weapon at police. Case closed. You steal a officers weapon and fire it at them you are done Do tasers have a limited amount of uses?
June 19, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Nope. He was running away with his back turned to him. He tried firing the tazer at the cop BEFORE this happened. At the moment he was shot, he did NOT have a weapon and was running in the OPPOSITE direction with his back turned. Even firing a tazer generally doesn't authorize the use of deadly force, because a tazer is non-lethal. Quote They were among at least 49 people who died in 2018 after being shocked by police with a Taser, a similar number as in the previous two years, according to a Reuters review of police records, news reports and court documents.
June 19, 20205 yr Author 4 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: At most, a cop would be legally allowed to shoot someone in the leg/shoulder That statement alone tells me you have zero clue what you are talking about. No LEO federal or local is taught to shoot there. Center mass. In fact we were told NOT to even try shooting arms and legs.
June 19, 20205 yr 12 minutes ago, The_Omega said: I know that in rare cases they can cause serious injury or death, which is a story for another day. I'm merely using the language of the law. It brings up a good point, though, which is: why do police use tazers so frequently and tout them as "non-lethal," when they can, in fact, be lethal?
June 19, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, Uscg-green said: That statement alone tells me you have zero clue what you are talking about. No LEO federal or local is taught to shoot there. Center mass. In fact we were told NOT to even try shooting arms and legs. Yeah, which is why so many crooked cops are such murderous thugs. They're taught to act this way. And since they're not used to being held accountable to the law like anyone else would be, they b*tch and moan like a bunch of entitled wimps when the shoe finally drops.
June 19, 20205 yr 8 minutes ago, Uscg-green said: Ah you are one of those idiots. Ignore. Don't call 911 when you need first responders. Yeah, I'm such an idiot because I actually expect PUBLIC SERVANTS like police to actually SERVE THE PUBLIC and be HELD ACCOUNTABLE to the law in SAME WAY. No first-world nation teaches their cops to be trigger-happy murderers like ours are taught, and it shows in the stats. Here in America, numerous courts and legislatures have clearly established that cops aren't intended to be the fragile-minded death squads that you fantasize about. But I get it. We're just finally starting to hold these thugs accountable for their reprehensible actions, so it's shocking to statists when the shoe finally drops.
June 19, 20205 yr 20 minutes ago, Uscg-green said: That statement alone tells me you have zero clue what you are talking about. No LEO federal or local is taught to shoot there. Center mass. In fact we were told NOT to even try shooting arms and legs.
June 19, 20205 yr Anybody else picturing a guy with no arms coming at a police officer with a knife in their mouth?
June 19, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Uscg-green said: Actually according to Georgia law a taser is considered a deadly weapon. The DA that charged this officer was going on about how tasers are deadly weapons just two weeks prior when he charged officers for assault with a deadly weapon for using a taser....... I read that as well after I posted. Given the "deadly weapon" status attributed to tasers in Georgia, the officers' legal position is much stronger than it looked originally. We'll see how it shakes out. Georgia Bureau of investigations is doing an independent investigation into the case as well. I'll be curious of the results. The DA is pawning off the justification decision on a jury. Maybe that's normal politics in Georgia around election time.
June 19, 20205 yr 6 minutes ago, PoconoDon said: Given the "deadly weapon" status attributed to tasers in Georgia I did not know that GA considers a tazer deadly. Interesting.
June 19, 20205 yr 38 minutes ago, Uscg-green said: That statement alone tells me you have zero clue what you are talking about. No LEO federal or local is taught to shoot there. Center mass. In fact we were told NOT to even try shooting arms and legs. I mean why didn't the Cop just shoot the taser out of his hand?
June 19, 20205 yr 54 minutes ago, greend said: Thanks for the update. Im trying to figure out how the city hasnt went into full blown anarchy mode after 3 days of no police.
June 19, 20205 yr Just now, SNOORDA said: Im trying to figure out how the city hasnt went into full blown anarchy mode after 3 days of no police. I think some are working if I'm not mistaken
June 19, 20205 yr 21 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: I did not know that GA considers a tazer deadly. Interesting. I admit I was surprised as well. Not currently the case here in PA. It adds a great deal to the decision making process.
June 19, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, PoconoDon said: I admit I was surprised as well. Not currently the case here in PA. It adds a great deal to the decision making process. And it could yet be another reason why the cops of Atlanta are protesting
June 19, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said: If he is unarmed, it's pretty clear that he does not meet the standard. If he was running way with a gun in his hand, there's more of an argument for use of force, but not necessarily deadly force. He wasn’t unarmed. He had a weapon he forcefully took from the police.
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