June 19, 20206 yr 1 minute ago, greend said: And it could yet be another reason why the cops of Atlanta are protesting Oh I suspect that is one of the primary reasons they are protesting. I still think a rampant case of the blue flu is the wrong response though.
June 19, 20206 yr 6 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: He wasn’t unarmed. He had a weapon he forcefully took from the police. Quote Several policing experts agreed that Officer Rolfe should have known that Mr. Brooks was not a deadly threat, but for other reasons. Mr. Brooks was running, and it seemed like escaping the situation was his only goal, some experts said. And although Georgia officers are taught that Tasers are a deadly threat because they can disable officers long enough for their guns to be seized, that threat is diminished when a second officer is present as backup. Use of force should be proportional to the threat, the experts said. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/06/18/us/rayshard-brooks-police-tactics.amp.html
June 19, 20206 yr 17 minutes ago, hukdonfoniks said: Of course Of course what? Of course you’ll smoke my cork, Fatigan’s Wang?
June 19, 20206 yr 7 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said: look at you, caring about those who you feel are less evolved. When have I said "less evolved?” Different racial groups and ethnicities had different evolutionary selective pressures. That’s why there are different racial and ethnic groups.
June 19, 20206 yr Nobody ever asks anymore if use of force could have been prevented altogether if people would just cooperate with the police and do what they are told to do. Simply put, if there's a problem out there it's a result of more than just one line of thinking. You won't effect change by only focusing on one area. In fact, you won't get anywhere by attempting to force others to change. Start with yourself and set an example. Don't let me stop you from pointing fingers, though. It feels good ... It feels righteous ... self-righteous even!!!
June 19, 20206 yr 8 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said: awww, still cant get that sand out can you. imagine a lifetime of how you feel right now. I know, I know. Everyone’s so oppressed and/or woke. 5 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Doesn't have to be. He was clearly and obviously not a threat when he was running away with his back turned. By the letter of the law, use of deadly force is not authorized. The cop is a criminal thug. Case closed. Someone hates cops. They lock your mama or pa up, kid? 4 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said: At the moment he was shot, he did NOT have a weapon and was running in the OPPOSITE direction with his back turned. He tried firing the tazer at the cop BEFORE this happened. At the moment he was shot, he did NOT have an operable weapon and was running in the OPPOSITE direction with his back turned. Even firing a tazer does not clearly authorize the use of deadly force, because a tazer is non-lethal. At most, a cop would be legally allowed to shoot someone in the leg/shoulder, etc. to incapacitate them. They cannot SHOOT TO KILL someone basically at point-blank who is merely armed with a tazer, and while running away, no less. For someone so well versed in GA law, you think you’d know that taser’s are considered lethal weapons in that state. The DA who brought these ridiculous charges against the officer reiterated it himself not even three weeks ago. The only person responsible for his death, was himself.
June 19, 20206 yr 43 minutes ago, brkmsn said: Nobody ever asks anymore if use of force could have been prevented altogether if people would just cooperate with the police and do what they are told to do. Simply put, if there's a problem out there it's a result of more than just one line of thinking. You won't effect change by only focusing on one area. In fact, you won't get anywhere by attempting to force others to change. Start with yourself and set an example. Don't let me stop you from pointing fingers, though. It feels good ... It feels righteous ... self-righteous even!!! Didn't Castile cooperate and still get shot and killed in the car with the kid in the back seat? Can't remember
June 19, 20206 yr 10 minutes ago, Mike030270 said: Didn't Castile cooperate and still get shot and killed in the car with the kid in the back seat? Can't remember I wasn't there. Wasn't the officer acquitted of all charges? I wasn't on the jury and don't know all the details. I'm not going to pretend to either.
June 20, 20206 yr 1 hour ago, Outlaw said: Someone hates cops. They lock your mama or pa up, kid? I hate the system that enables cops to be criminals. I'm just a guy who has observed enough abuse by lawless thugs with a badge to know that the entire structure of American policing needs to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up.
June 20, 20206 yr 1 hour ago, brkmsn said: Nobody ever asks anymore if use of force could have been prevented altogether if people would just cooperate with the police and do what they are told to do. No, people ask that question all the time, but it's a non-starter, because that's not how the law works in an ostensibly non-authoritarian state. You don't hand a cop a death warrant simply by resisting. The cop is only allowed to kill you if you are a credible threat to kill him or someone else.
June 20, 20206 yr 35 minutes ago, Mike030270 said: Didn't Castile cooperate and still get shot and killed in the car with the kid in the back seat? Can't remember He absolutely did. Cop asked for his license and registration. Castile said ok but I have a firearm in the glove box that I have a permit for where my registration is. The officer screamed at him to show his registration so again Castile said ok but I do have a legal firearm. So as Castile went for his registration the cop screamed at him to keep his hands where he could see them and then started pumping him full of bullets in front of his wife and baby in the back.
June 20, 20206 yr 2 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: No, people ask that question all the time, but it's a non-starter, because that's not how the law works in an ostensibly non-authoritarian state. You don't hand a cop a death warrant simply by resisting. The cop is only allowed to kill you if you are a credible threat to kill him or someone else. Of course that will always fall on individual judgement for each officer in such situations. The best they can do is rely on their training. Even cops can get it wrong. In those cases, it's tragic and then it's up to the legal system to work it out. It would be nice if police work was always like Barnaby Jones and the "bad guy" was always shot in the weapon or weapon hand, living to see justice through the entire legal system. But today, when you do that it means a multi-million dollar injury settlement for a guy that may very well be convicted of the crime Barnaby Jones stopped from happening.
June 20, 20206 yr 22 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: I hate the system that enables cops to be criminals. I'm just a guy who has observed enough abuse by lawless thugs with a badge to know that the entire structure of American policing needs to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up. How many people are shot by police officers each day in this nation? How many people are shot by non-police officers each week in Chicago alone? Things don't need to be "torn down." That's a knee-jerk reaction, not a solution. There's a people problem in this world --- not a cop problem in this country.
June 20, 20206 yr 2 minutes ago, brkmsn said: How many people are shot by police officers each day in this nation? How many people are shot by non-police officers each week in Chicago alone? Things don't need to be "torn down." That's a knee-jerk reaction, not a solution. There's a people problem in this world --- not a cop problem in this country. Many people and groups share blame here, but the US is #22 in per capita deaths by law enforcement. The next 5 on the list below us are Iraq, Nigeria, Kenya, Honduras, and Iran. We are almost 5x that of Canada and over 2.5x that of the highest European country (Malta). Hell we're 1.5x more than Mexico. This is despite one of the highest expenditures per capita in the world on policing and almost every other level of the criminal justice system. Our current police system absolutely has a significant share of the blame.
June 20, 20206 yr 23 minutes ago, brkmsn said: How many people are shot by police officers each day in this nation? How many people are shot by non-police officers each week in Chicago alone? Whataboutism... 23 minutes ago, brkmsn said: There's...not a cop problem in this country. I'll just leave this right here...
June 20, 20206 yr 20 minutes ago, brkmsn said: How many people are shot by police officers each day in this nation? How many people are shot by non-police officers each week in Chicago alone? Things don't need to be "torn down." That's a knee-jerk reaction, not a solution. There's a people problem in this world --- not a cop problem in this country. well said
June 20, 20206 yr 8 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Whataboutism... I'll just leave this right here... Now let's compare the ease of obtaining a gun in those countries vs the US and how many police are armed in those countries.
June 20, 20206 yr 10 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Whataboutism... I'll just leave this right here... It's kind of like comparing worms and computer viruses with Macs and PCs. There's a much more lucrative market in the US to be a criminal and the criminals are bolder. Since we're talking about the US and not Canada, Gemany or the UK, are there any findings that show criminal activity decreasing in US areas where the police system has been torn down and redesigned? ... Or are we just going to pretend that such an action would make things all better?
June 20, 20206 yr 12 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said: Now let's compare the ease of obtaining a gun in those countries vs the US and how many police are armed in those countries. Sure, let's do that, because that's certainly a factor. It's still an enormous disparity to account for. And your question also raises two other critical points: the need for sensible gun laws that can restrict nutjobs' ability to access firearms, and the need for American police to be extensively evaluated, screened, and trained for the incredibly difficult and stressful job that they have to do with such a high likelihood of encountering armed criminals. The other countries listed require much more from their police recruits in terms of education, screening and training. An American cop basically just needs a diploma or GED and about 5 months of training. On other developed nations, it usually requires a college degree and several years of training. In addition to the underlying institutional problems, the qualifications to be a cop in America are unconscionably low.
June 20, 20206 yr 1 minute ago, brkmsn said: It's kind of like comparing worms and computer viruses with Macs and PCs. There's a much more lucrative market in the US to be a criminal and the criminals are bolder. Since we're talking about the US and not Canada, Gemany or the UK, are there any findings that show criminal activity decreasing in US areas where the police system has been torn down and redesigned? ... Or are we just going to pretend that such an action would make things all better? Yes. Camden.
June 20, 20206 yr Author 7 hours ago, Mike030270 said: Two things. A "unarmed person with a knife" is not unarmed. Secondly they are not taught that for many reasons. Small target and will not automatically stop a threat. I should also mention you can kill shooting in the leg very easily. Hit that femoral artery and it's bye bye.
June 20, 20206 yr 7 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Sure, let's do that, because that's certainly a factor. It's still an enormous disparity to account for. And your question also raises two other critical points: the need for sensible gun laws that can restrict nutjobs' ability to access firearms, and the need for American police to be extensively evaluated, screened, and trained for the incredibly difficult and stressful job that they have to do with such a high likelihood of encountering armed criminals. The other countries listed require much more from their police recruits in terms of education, screening and training. An American cop basically just needs a diploma or GED and about 5 months of training. On other developed nations, it usually requires a college degree and several years of training. In addition to the underlying institutional problems, the qualifications to be a cop in America are unconscionably low. We also have an enormous amount of gangs armed with military level weapons. You don’t want to leave that out.
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