I find it really interesting that we haven’t heard any leaks about other teams laying in the weeds for Carter. All we’ve heard is that Vegas and Arizona weren’t interested in him. Before the draft there were mixed reports about Seattle either not letting him slip past 5 or not on their board. At best, Detroit preferred a running back and a high 2nd round over him. The Bears must not have been all that interested since they took a cheap trade down with us.

7 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

He'll always be hated for letting Dawk go 

Fans need to get over it. Brian Dawkins managed to. 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Howie said something about the Georgia players "lobbying for us to take other guys as well".  Whether that was just Dean and Davis or the other two guys as well after they were picked, I'm sure Ringo was one of the names they lobbied for.

Side note based on this, I hope Howie chills with the Georgia bit. Not complaining about anyone as all were good to great prospects where taken, I just don't want it to get too clique in the locker room, especially with the respected vets having a foot out the door and being replaced by all these young guys on defense. 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I find it really interesting that we haven’t heard any leaks about other teams laying in the weeds for Carter. All we’ve heard is that Vegas and Arizona weren’t interested in him. Before the draft there were mixed reports about Seattle either not letting him slip past 5 or not on their board. At best, Detroit preferred a running back and a high 2nd round over him. The Bears must not have been all that interested since they took a cheap trade down with us.

I'd think TEN as they are somewhat comfortable with character risks (Simmons) or PIT as their draft mirrored ours in a few ways and likely believe they have the culture to get him right (they took Benton in the 2nd as a consolation). 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Side note based on this, I hope Howie chills with the Georgia bit. Not complaining about anyone as all were good to great prospects where taken, I just don't want it to get too clique in the locker room, especially with the respected vets having a foot out the door and being replaced by all these young guys on defense. 

Maybe some more BAMA picks...

Genard Avery, Robert Quinn and Golden Tate are all players I would rather have never been Eagles.  With that being said, the players picked with the picks traded for haven't really turned in to world beaters but there have been some very good players on the board who went between the original Eagles pick and their next pick in the draft.

Golden Tate- 2019, pick 88- LB Cody Barton

A lot of good players went between pick 88 and the Eagles next pick, which was Shareef Miller. OL Connor McGovern, LB Bobby Okereke, TE Dawson Knox, CB Jamel Dean, DE Maxx Crosby, S Chauncey Gardner-Johnson, S Julian Love, RB Tony Pollard, TE Foster Moreau just to name a few.  

Genard Avery- 2021, pick 110- Nick Hudson

The Eagles picked Zech McPhearson at 123 but in those 13 picks, WR Amon-Ra St. Brown and RB Rhamondre Stevenson were selected.  I was a BIG Stevenson fan.  Jabril Cox  was also picked and he was a guy I loved that year.  He's been hurt with Dallas and buried on the depth chart but I think he has a role this year.

Robert Quinn, 2023, pick 133- WR Tyler Scott

The Eagles had to trade a 2024 3rd round pick to move up to 105 to pick Ringo.  Don't think anyone is complaining about that but had they still had pick 133, maybe the cost to move up could have been 133 and a 2024 5th instead?

 

 

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I'd think TEN as they are somewhat comfortable with character risks (Simmons) or PIT as their draft mirrored ours in a few ways and likely believe they have the culture to get him right (they took Benton in the 2nd as a consolation). 

That’s good dot connecting. I read that they only wanted to trade up for Stroud, but perhaps that was only in reference to pick 3. 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

 

Look at the Cowboys. They were risk-averse with Dak on his rookie deal and have 2 playoff wins since 2016 to show for it. They have all-pros on their roster during that time (Martin, Parsons, Zeke, Tyron Smith) and couldn't push it. They'll make the playoffs again and lose in RD1 & 2.

To be fair, 2 playoff wins is a high watermark for them this century 

Interesting thought process. Don't think the NFLPA would ever be ok with expanding the draft back closer to it's original number of rounds, but one thing I know is...I would absolutely watch another day's worth of draft coverage.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/05/02/expanded-draft-could-cut-down-on-udfa-chaos/

19 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The Browns hired him after Lurie fired him and he got lost in the wash of their instability. He’s done a bunch of consulting for teams since. 

People’s vitriol for Banner is weird. He deserves a ton of credit for building the foundation here, even if he comes off as arrogant. 

Banner’s negotiation style offended a lot of players.  Was he really a huge success at talent evaluation?  He feasted a bit on his predecessors’ picks.  One thing he did well was giving up on players before they slid in ability. 

33 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

If you have 15 minutes, you should watch this about Sydney Brown and his brother Chase.

 

 

Pretty cool story.  Love that one of the pictures in there was with kid rocking the Eagles shirt 14:18 into it

12 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Fans need to get over it. Brian Dawkins managed to. 

I’m the biggest dawn fan around and even I acknowledge that Dawk made the business decision for his family and that Denver overpaid at that point in his career for the leadership he brought. As much as it pained me to see him in another uniform, this is the reality of it 

Safe to say that AI creates so many creepy things.  I bring to you, AI created NFL mascots.  Swoop is having some trouble. 

https://uni-watch.com/2023/05/02/hero-ai-bot-creates-brilliant-nfl-costumed-mascots/

 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

That’s good dot connecting. I read that they only wanted to trade up for Stroud, but perhaps that was only in reference to pick 3. 

Given both of those teams had OT high on their list of needs and our intentions were telegraphed, CHI was likely comfortable with Howie's deal.

1 minute ago, garingovt2000 said:

They are nearly identical - go figure.

Non-Eagles draft thoughts…

* I’m still dumbfounded that Houston paid what they did for a non-QB. There were rumors that Anderson had a perfect scouting grade, but they gave up 12, 33, and a likely top 10 pick next year. What a haul from Arizona. 

* I don’t know how much to weigh age into a draft grade, but based on film, I liked Will McDonald a ton. He was better than Smith and Van Ness on film. But he’ll be 24 and is awfully skinny. There were rumors that the Jets were targeting Gibbs at that pick.

* I have no idea why Washington took Forbes 16. Good player, but you’re betting on a stick figure. Gonzalez is better. 

* The Giants had a nice draft. Hit needs and seemed to get good value at those spots.

* Mazi Smith is a good player. Dallas did well there. No idea why they took a geriatric TE in round 2. 

* I thought the Colts killed it. I would have taken a shot at Richardson at 4 too. I don’t think I would have liked it as much if Steichen weren’t there. 

* I don’t get why Seattle continues to draft RBs highly. Charbonnet is a good player, but the position is a dime a dozen. 

10 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Interesting thought process. Don't think the NFLPA would ever be ok with expanding the draft back closer to it's original number of rounds, but one thing I know is...I would absolutely watch another day's worth of draft coverage.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/05/02/expanded-draft-could-cut-down-on-udfa-chaos/

I'd watch a 4th day, if they condensed the product - but it's not really supposed to be entertainment, it's actual business playing out.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Non-Eagles draft thoughts…

* I’m still dumbfounded that Houston paid what they did for a non-QB. There were rumors that Anderson had a perfect scouting grade, but they gave up 12, 33, and a likely top 10 pick next year. What a haul from Arizona. 

Maybe Jeffrey should've hung back on that tampering agreement... that's a lot of draft capital ARZ has at risk. 

11 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Banner’s negotiation style offended a lot of players.  Was he really a huge success at talent evaluation?  He feasted a bit on his predecessors’ picks.  One thing he did well was giving up on players before they slid in ability. 

He did lots of thing well — valuing premium positions, valuing passing over running, extending players to team-friendly contracts, not becoming emotionally attached to aging players, hiring good people. That doesn’t mean he was perfect or didn’t have warts, but he was a great influence on Lurie and helped shape him as an owner too.  He deserves a ton of credit here. 

19 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Given both of those teams had OT high on their list of needs and our intentions were telegraphed, CHI was likely comfortable with Howie's deal.

Yup.  That was the play.  Chicago didn't want to lose the guy they were planning to pick at nine.  Howie only needed to pay a cover charge to swap picks.

For comparison, in 2002, the Giants traded a same-year fourth to Tennessee in order to move from #15 to #14 and pick Jeremy Shockey.  We used a next-year fourth to move from #10 to #9. 

EDIT: Ironically, the Giants lost the coin flip for pick #14 with the Titans.  So losing the coin flip cost them a fourth.

(Tennessee picked Albert Haynesworth at #15.)

5 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

They are nearly identical - go figure.

They're actually mirror twins. Read it in an ESPN article. Sydney is right handed, Chase left. Their hair curls in opposite directions, etc. Pretty cool stuff.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Non-Eagles draft thoughts…

* I’m still dumbfounded that Houston paid what they did for a non-QB. There were rumors that Anderson had a perfect scouting grade, but they gave up 12, 33, and a likely top 10 pick next year. What a haul from Arizona. Absolutely agree 100%. AZ won that trade by a mile.

* I don’t know how much to weigh age into a draft grade, but based on film, I liked Will McDonald a ton. He was better than Smith and Van Ness on film. But he’ll be 24 and is awfully skinny. There were rumors that the Jets were targeting Gibbs at that pick. The Jets are just accumulating WRs and RBs. Breece Hall would have won Offensive ROTY had he not gotten hurt most likely.

* I have no idea why Washington took Forbes 16. Good player, but you’re betting on a stick figure. Gonzalez is better. This was my first shocking pick of the draft. If not for a kicker being drafted in the 3rd round, it may have been my biggest overall. But yes, Gonzalez will be a much better pro than Forbes.

* The Giants had a nice draft. Hit needs and seemed to get good value at those spots. I agree. I think Hyatt is a one-trick pony, and they would have benefitted from a more well-rounded WR, but there weren't a ton of those in this class.

* Mazi Smith is a good player. Dallas did well there. No idea why they took a geriatric TE in round 2. Mazi is a wall. Has some athletic ability. If they can tap into it, he could be a very good one. Still think the Bills trading up for Kincaid made Dallas pivot.

* I thought the Colts killed it. I would have taken a shot at Richardson at 4 too. I don’t think I would have liked it as much if Steichen weren’t there. I agree. My top 5 draft classes were us, the Colts, the Steelers, the Seahawks, and the Giants.

* I don’t get why Seattle continues to draft RBs highly. Charbonnet is a good player, but the position is a dime a dozen. Pete has his philosophies. He loves having that really strong 1a-1b punch at RB. 

My thoughts above.

12 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

* I’m still dumbfounded that Houston paid what they did for a non-QB. There were rumors that Anderson had a perfect scouting grade, but they gave up 12, 33, and a likely top 10 pick next year. What a haul from Arizona.

What I've heard on NFL Radio from a couple of different guests was if HOU was unable to trade up the pick at #2 would have been Will Anderson, so essentially the trade was for them to be able to take Stroud -- even though they took Stroud as the #2 and Anderson as the #3 pick.

Sweat is a great example of a player falling that paid off handsomely, and despite him being an Eagle I forget about it. There really was no reason for a player with Sweat’s pedigree, positional value, frame and athleticism to be available in round 4. 

Hopefully we got another one in Ringo.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

What I've heard on NFL Radio from a couple of different guests was if HOU was unable to trade up the pick at #2 would have been Will Anderson, so essentially the trade was for them to be able to take Stroud -- even though they took Stroud as the #2 and Anderson as the #3 pick.

Ehhh. I don’t think that’s true. The trade wasn’t even agreed to until Arizona was on the clock. At least that’s what I read.