10 minutes ago, just relax said:

I think he wanted more $ than the Eagles were prepared to pay and he took it personally. 

This is now the second player this offseason after Cam blaming hair discrimination as to why they aren’t getting what they want.

Can someone explain this to me? Is there really a precedent of NFL front office people who are around black anthletes all their professional life and are anti-dreadlocks?

13 minutes ago, just relax said:

I think he wanted more $ than the Eagles were prepared to pay and he took it personally. 

Yep. It seemed like he over valued himself and Howie was really spot on with what he offered him initially based on the market. He thought he was worth more and got in his feelings about it. At least that's how it came across on the outside 

4 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

This is now the second player this offseason after Cam blaming hair discrimination as to why they aren’t getting what they want.

Can someone explain this to me? Is there really a precedent of NFL front office people who are around black anthletes all their professional life and are anti-dreadlocks?

35 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

He is a good player. What I perceive is that he thinks he is better than he is. Coaches watched his tape and there wasn't a rush to sign him as a FA. Might be that simple and that he is a bit detached from the reality of how he is valued in the market == butt hurt

Product of the Eagles' pass rush perhaps versus being all that good.   He was available for peanuts from the Saints... for a reason, and it seemed to be his contract demands.  Then he had a big season statistically... and his contract demands likely went up even higher.  And no one around the league seemed to be interested in him at those numbers.

Colts current twitter

 

CJGJ's agent messed up, full stop. That's the issue.

I liked CGJ on our defense, especially compared to who was backing him up, but almost all of his INTs weren't plays he made on his own. He was generally the beneficiary of someone else tipping a pass. Good on him to be in position to get them but that's also not worth the probably 12-14M/year he wanted for 1 year of production.

If there’s one area during the season that they did this off-season that ends up not working out, I’d put my money on safety. Even if Sydney Brown ends up being good, he’s a rookie, it’s unfair to expect him to come in as a 3rd rounder and ball out right away. Evans is meh. Edmunds is meh. Would still like better insurance there. John Johnson and Amos are still out there. Maybe a trade.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

 

I'm usually quick to criticize the Eagles, but CJGJ has 3 strikes.  The Saints let go of him for nothing.  The Eagles didn't put forth much of an effort to extend him.  And no team in the NFL inked him to a multi-year deal.

I don't know if it's attitude, locker-room, off the field, coverage reliability on the field, or some combination...but no one thinks he's worth it and that has played out 3 times now.

20 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

If there’s one area during the season that they did this off-season that ends up not working out, I’d put my money on safety. Even if Sydney Brown ends up being good, he’s a rookie, it’s unfair to expect him to come in as a 3rd rounder and ball out right away. Evans is meh. Edmunds is meh. Would still like better insurance there. John Johnson and Amos are still out there. Maybe a trade.

I think our safety and linebacker play was pretty average last year, so as long as the dline and the corners keep producing, we should be fine.

If you look at when we struggled, it was when we were getting bad slot corner play. But we moved Gardner-Johnson to slot and put Blankenship at safety and our defense immediately got better.

In theory Dean and Brown should be upgrades over what we had once they get their feet under them, so those spots being better than last year is not inconceivable.

6 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I think our safety and linebacker play was pretty average last year, so as long as the dline and the corners keep producing, we should be fine.

If you look at when we struggled, it was when we were getting bad slot corner play. But we moved Gardner-Johnson to slot and put Blankenship at safety and our defense immediately got better.

In theory Dean and Brown should be upgrades over what we had once they get their feet under them, so those spots being better than last year is not inconceivable.

Our defense is built to rely on good reads and good tackling from the off-ball LBs.  That's it.  No playmaking, no astonishing sideline-to-sideline plays, no engaging OL, no getting into the backfield.  Edwards/White, generally speaking, didn't give them less than that and didn't give them more.  I think Dean presents the possibility of delivering more, while Morrow has the possibility of delivering less.  I suspect the net result will be comparable.

Safety is a tougher read for me.  The stats were great for CJGJ, but I think some of that was luck.  I'm not sure he was actually that great for us in coverage.  Not saying he wasn't, I just suspect (I don't rewatch all-22 etc).  I really haven't figured out what our old or new defense exactly wants from the safeties with respect to box support, single high, pure coverage, etc.  I always like to emphasize coverage, but I'm not certain what this semi-new scheme will prioritize.

Epps was just reliable.  He blew some tackles, got torched in coverage...sometimes...but generally did his job on both fronts.  I think the aggregate of Blankenship/Turner/Edmunds can probably net us an Epps.  The question will be if Brown can be molded into what they got from CJGJ.

8 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Amazing or the result of bad management decisions within the front office... and all trickling down from the league interfering in the team and forcing them to fire Hinkie... put Colangelo on the search committee and then hired his son... Corruption at its finest.

Yeah, I’ve said this before on the Sixers thread, the amount of mistakes the Sixers have made since they decided to do the process is ridiculous. When you look at title contenders that have gotten to the finals or won championships they have one or two mistakes with a ton of hits. The sixers are the exact opposite. It is really hard to overcome that many mistakes and win big in the NBA. Usually it catches up to you.

I don’t think Daryl Morey has done a good job as GM. his whole James Harden or bust with the sixers last great tradable asset (outside embiid and maxey who they weren’t trading) is likely going to blow up in his face unless they somehow win this game 7. His tampering to get tucker and house doesn’t help. Did like his green for melton trade until last 4 games and tucker’s signing is something the sixers lacked in terms of leadership. But what led up to that moment in time might have been by far been worse.  The 76ers pissing throwing away second round picks and wasting first rounders, trading bridges, letting Jimmy Butler go for Simmons/brown, hiring colangelo, letting brett brown and brand dictate an extire offseason with no GM experience, giving Tobias Harris the contract he has, signing horford was a horrible fit to begin with, drafting fultz and giving up extra picks to do it when Boston wanted Tatum and LA wanted ball and drafting okafor.

This doesn’t include sixers ownership doing what they did at the trade deadline to pocket 16 mil or basically bending over to the nba with firing hinkie. And the thing with the Sixers ownership bending over to the NBA, OKC is legitimately did the same Fing thing the Sixers did. The only difference is that the NBA doesn’t give a flying F about OKC because the market so small that doesn’t matter and they didn’t overly boast about it 

here’s the good the sixers have done drafted embiid, drafted maxey, traded green for melton (right now doesn’t look great), developed Covington and dealt Covington and Saric for butler. That’s pretty much it. 

2 hours ago, Next_Up said:

He is a good player. What I perceive is that he thinks he is better than he is. Coaches watched his tape and there wasn't a rush to sign him as a FA. Might be that simple and that he is a bit detached from the reality of how he is valued in the market == butt hurt

I would also add a couple things to this. I think teams around the league saw the Eagles have success without him out there with Blankenship. Now they were definitely better with him but it showed the defense was still sustainable at a high levels (unless we played good QBs with or without him). I would add I think he believes his market was better because of all the interceptions that he had this season. Imo teams around the league looked at that and said the talent was so good around you it’s allowed for more opportunities to get that many interceptions rather than his playmaking ability creating them which solak talked about a ton over this season. Lastly i don’t think teams wanted to pay him cause he seems like a volatile type of player. When things are good and he’s happy then it’s great. But if he’s not and believes he deserves more it could blow up. I also think he’s the type of guy where money does change him whereas i dont think guys like lane and kelce are.  

 

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

 

 

Howie has got to go.  Do what the Flyers did and replace him eith Jon Ritchie, Ike Reese or Hugh Douglas.

How many games are the Eagles wearing Kelly green this season? The BwF episode talked about which "game” it was going to be/ is it only going to be one? I thought it was going to replace the black unis, which they wore for two games.

CJGJ is a little ****. He was good as a ball hawk and got some fairly lucky ints but he came across as having an inflated ego and was very mouthy, especially on social media which I do not like. He regularly whiffed on tackles too. 
 

hopefully we’ve replaced him with better, more hungry professionals, time will tell I guess 

Snyder may have been the biggest scumbag in the NFL, but he was a great asset for the other NFCE teams.

I am afraid WAS will be a good organization again.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah, I’ve said this before on the Sixers thread, the amount of mistakes the Sixers have made since they decided to do the process is ridiculous. When you look at title contenders that have gotten to the finals or won championships they have one or two mistakes with a ton of hits. The sixers are the exact opposite. It is really hard to overcome that many mistakes and win big in the NBA. Usually it catches up to you.

I don’t think Daryl Morey has done a good job as GM. his whole James Harden or bust with the sixers last great tradable asset (outside embiid and maxey who they weren’t trading) is likely going to blow up in his face unless they somehow win this game 7. His tampering to get tucker and house doesn’t help. Did like his green for melton trade until last 4 games and tucker’s signing is something the sixers lacked in terms of leadership. But what led up to that moment in time might have been by far been worse.  The 76ers pissing throwing away second round picks and wasting first rounders, trading bridges, letting Jimmy Butler go for Simmons/brown, hiring colangelo, letting brett brown and brand dictate an extire offseason with no GM experience, giving Tobias Harris the contract he has, signing horford was a horrible fit to begin with, drafting fultz and giving up extra picks to do it when Boston wanted Tatum and LA wanted ball and drafting okafor.

This doesn’t include sixers ownership doing what they did at the trade deadline to pocket 16 mil or basically bending over to the nba with firing hinkie. And the thing with the Sixers ownership bending over to the NBA, OKC is legitimately did the same Fing thing the Sixers did. The only difference is that the NBA doesn’t give a flying F about OKC because the market so small that doesn’t matter and they didn’t overly boast about it 

here’s the good the sixers have done drafted embiid, drafted maxey, traded green for melton (right now doesn’t look great), developed Covington and dealt Covington and Saric for butler. That’s pretty much it. 

Would have been a shorter post if you had just listed the good moves since 2013.   

Drafted Embiid.
Drafted Maxey.

 

I am open to hear nominations for others.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Would have been a shorter post if you had just listed the good moves since 2013.   

Drafted Embiid.
Drafted Maxey.

 

I am open to hear nominations for others.

The initial trade for butler was good. Giving up Saric and Covington was a good deal for butler. Letting him go was dumb. 

I’d also say development of Covington and McConnell. Covington was actually a solid role player they developed and McConnell was a ok backup PG. 

but yeah that’s about it. 

43 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

I think the Washingteam just went up a step or two higher in my order of distain.

Not nearly as good as the kelces, but the St Browns podcast is unintentionally hilarious because one brother will make fun of the other for playing for the lions, then the other will retort, "You a bear, what the hell do you gotta say about anything,” haha. The worst spokesmen for their respective teams. This episode they talk about how much they think each other’s stadium is a pile of junk:

 

 

18 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I think the Washingteam just went up a step or two higher in my order of distain.

Harris owning the weirdest collection of teams in the sixers, devils and commanders. Im really hoping if the city shuts him out of a new sixers stadium he decides to sell the team. I get the feeling once embiid and this era plummets he likely tries to get out if he doesn’t secure a new stadium 

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I'm usually quick to criticize the Eagles, but CJGJ has 3 strikes.  The Saints let go of him for nothing.  The Eagles didn't put forth much of an effort to extend him.  And no team in the NFL inked him to a multi-year deal.

I don't know if it's attitude, locker-room, off the field, coverage reliability on the field, or some combination...but no one thinks he's worth it and that has played out 3 times now.

He's opportunistic, but not a good tackler and gets caught out of position. Much like the Dallas CB who gets lots of interceptions but is awful iln coverage.

These players have value, but not the value they think b/c of the attention they get for their big plays, coaches watch every play in the film room.

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Harris owning the weirdest collection of teams in the sixers, devils and commanders. Im really hoping if the city shuts him out of a new sixers stadium he decides to sell the team. I get the feeling once embiid and this era plummets he likely tries to get out if he doesn’t secure a new stadium 

I can understand why... it's hard to get your foot into one league, let alone multiple.  So, you have to jump on what's available when it's available.