1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

I wonder if the Eagles will look to upgrade slot WR. Whether they do or don't it obviously won't be the top of their list of priorities. And also, I wonder if they bring Pascal back. I think they might. Sirianni loves him and he'll probably be incredibly cheap. Just one of those guys they bring back yearly a la Greg Ward.

Absolutely. Should be a high priority. Quez can't play. Has someone gone from useful to Reagor overnight.

43 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Lou Anarumo didn't seem to have trouble. Held the Chiefs to 23 points, beat them earlier this season and beat them in KC last year. Hell, the Jags even did a better job defending the Chiefs than the Eagles did.

It's true Andy Reid is a great coach. But the Eagles made him look unstoppable, which he is not. Let's not forget, Reid's weaknesses are always big games. Of course it's vs Gannon where Andy Reid finally puts together his magnus opus of coaching performances. And did it with a QB who was far from 100%.

It's ok to say the Eagles defense choked. They are paid to make plays too. Over 75 sacks on the season, barely touched Mahomes the entire game. Wide open guys all game for Mahomes. Didn't get one stop in the 2nd half. And the Chiefs left points on the board with a missed FG. For a defense this talented, this performance was maybe the worst defensive performance for a unit this talented I've ever seen.

This is something that's supposed to happen to bad teams that get fluky leads in playoff games and eventually the way superior team just takes over and imposes their will. Not to one of the best defenses in Eagles history and best teams in Eagles history.

What gets me is that a lot of the reasons for what was killing us was the bad field. The DL couldn’t get any traction. Sometimes the Chiefs has guys running wide open because of double moves or good play calling, but often it was our defenders falling down. 
 

But those times when it was playcalling/double moves, it was really bothersome. Like, this is what they do. Everyone knows this. I don’t see how a guy in motion all the sudden cutting back the other way is so surprising. Or Kelce cutting a crosser back the other way. It isn’t rocket science. 
 

But the field played more of a factor than anyone in the media wants to talk about. Even Brian Baldinger made a video about so many of our DL slipping... and the next video about how the Chiefs handled our DL. It’s really strange. 
 

At first I was so mad at the officials for not giving us a fair shake at the end. But after thinking about it, we never would have been in that position if not for the field conditions taking away arguably our biggest strength

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

Absolutely. Should be a high priority. Quez can't play. Has someone gone from useful to Reagor overnight.

The Eagles don't have a ton of picks this year don't forget. I doubt they use rounds 1-3 on a slot WR, they just have too many other positions to address. And taking one in like the 6th or 7th round obviously isn't going to give them someone most likely who is definitely going to beat out Quez for a job. So I'm wondering if they try to flip a 2024 pick for someone on another roster who is being underutilized. Like Elijah Moore, who really has done absolutely nothing for the Jets.

2 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Absolutely. Should be a high priority. Quez can't play. Has someone gone from useful to Reagor overnight.

He’s useful when he’s better than a teams third CB. When he’s wide open and can body catch a perfectly thrown ball. But he just can’t be counted on to "make a play”. I’d rather have a Jason Avant type whh hi o can be trusted, than a speedster who can’t catch consistently

1 hour ago, bitbased said:

You're right. Hicks and Mills were starting right away. The other 3 were limited but still a decent amount (~40% of snaps). Didn't remember Hicks playing that much since he was on IR/injured constantly.

Kinda sorta...Darby got hurt in the second quarter of the first game of the season IIRC.

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

Is Reed today any different from Epps two years ago?  If anything he is more advanced than Epps was … essentially one year more advanced.

And not good enough in the same way

Relying on rookies to start is not a recipe for success. But at the same time, you kinda gotta trust your draft picks to develop after year one and SHOULD be able to start highly drafted second year players to step up. Davis, for example, didn’t show much as a rookie, but throwing more money at that position this offseason isn’t a good use of resources. 

(Let me put this out there. Some might not fit what we currently ran under Gannon but if we go outside the organization for DC or change up how we run the defense some guys I’m curious about) A couple free agents some young, some veterans i wouldn’t mind if the eagles decided to look into are:

Cb rock ya sin— had been somewhat disappointment with the colts but was much better with the raiders this year. He’s also 26

LB david long— he’s 25. he is likely gonna be too expensive coming off a breakout year with the titans. Although tends to deal with nagging injuries. If we are gonna spend at LB i think he might long term be better than edwards   

Wr parish Campbell— he’s 25. Eagles were down to him and JJAW a couple years back. He’s injury prone but i could see the eagles looking into him if he’s relatively cheap and he’s capable of being a pretty good slot receiver if he does. 

Wr jarvis Landry— I’m guessing he’d be cheap. He’s not a burner we coild use but in the slot he could be a really nice bargain bin type of guy coming off a injury and not productive year

Cb  Byron Murphy— 25. Was ok this past year. He’s still young and given the right situation i think he could be a nice pickup 

Cb sean bunting— likely too expensive but is young 

cb Emmanuel Moseley— coming off an injury but if he’s healthy he could be a great pickup and still young. 

LB Bobby okereke— 27 and he did a nice job in Leonard’s absence this year for the colts. 

DL Zach Allen— he’s 26. Only had 5.5 sacks for the cardinals this year but i think he could wind up being a good bargain in FA 

DL Dre’mont Jones— i think he winds up being out of the price range but if we let hargrave walk in FA, he’s a nice pickup especially as he’s three years younger. Only concern is he hurt his hip, had surgery and missed the end of the season. 

some others

Kaden Elliss

D’Onta foreman

kareem hunt 

21 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The Eagles don't have a ton of picks this year don't forget. I doubt they use rounds 1-3 on a slot WR, they just have too many other positions to address. And taking one in like the 6th or 7th round obviously isn't going to give them someone most likely who is definitely going to beat out Quez for a job. So I'm wondering if they try to flip a 2024 pick for someone on another roster who is being underutilized. Like Elijah Moore, who really has done absolutely nothing for the Jets.

I'm not bending over backwards to replace the all star team they had on defense last year. Not sustainable.

The priority should be to load up on offense.

17 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Kinda sorta...Darby got hurt in the second quarter of the first game of the season IIRC.

Mills was here 2016, Darby was 2017 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

A couple free agents some young, some veterans i wouldn’t mind if the eagles decided to look into are:

Cb rock ya sin— had been somewhat disappointment with the colts but was much better with the raiders this year. He’s also 26

LB david long— he’s 25. he is likely gonna be too expensive coming off a breakout year with the titans. If we are gonna spend at LB i much prefer paying him then paying edwards  

Wr parish Campbell— he’s 25. Eagles were down to him and JJAW a couple years back. He’s injury prone but i could see the eagles looking into him if he’s relatively cheap and he’s capable of being a pretty good slot receiver if he does. 

Wr jarvis Landry— I’m guessing he’d be cheap. He’s not a burner we coild use but in the slot he could be a really nice bargain bin type of guy coming off a injury and not productive year

Cb  Byron Murphy— 25. Was ok this past year. He’s still young and given the right situation i think he could be a nice pickup 

Cb sean bunting— likely too expensive but is young 

cb Emmanuel Moseley— coming off an injury but if he’s healthy he could be a great pickup and still young. 

LB Bobby okereke— 27 and he did a nice job in Leonard’s absence this year for the colts. 

DL Zach Allen— he’s 26. Only had 5.5 sacks for the cardinals this year but i think he could wind up being a good bargain in FA 

DL Dre’mont Jones— i think he winds up being out of the price range but if we let hargrave walk in FA, he’s a nice pickup especially as he’s three years younger. Only concern is he hurt his hip, had surgery and missed the end of the season. 

some others

Kaden Elliss

D’Onta foreman

kareem hunt 

Don't see the fit for most of those guys, but if this OL is as good and Hunt is healthy, he's gonna put up ridiculous numbers in this offense.

9 minutes ago, blindside said:

Relying on rookies to start is not a recipe for success. But at the same time, you kinda gotta trust your draft picks to develop after year one and SHOULD be able to start highly drafted second year players to step up. Davis, for example, didn’t show much as a rookie, but throwing more money at that position this offseason isn’t a good use of resources. 

We're very limited at DT without signing Hargrave though since realistically our only two DTs would be Williams and Davis. At that point you're almost forcing yourself to use a high pick at the position which is never a great thing.

The offense is loaded up so we need to stay competitive on the defensive side which will require some expensive contracts.

40 minutes ago, blindside said:

I get that White/Edwards weren’t top their LBs this year, but the LBs overall played better than they have in years. I’m not sure starting over fresh in that department is a good idea. 
 

It’s like the "you can find a RB in late rounds” thing. Yes, sure you can. But 25 LBs are drafted each year and while some late round guys end up being good, there’s a lot of late round guys that aren’t. Good players aren’t easily replaced, and neither are even "serviceable” players. Given our likely cap situation, we need to be intentional with our moves and accept the fact that we can no longer have stars at so many positions. Guys who are serviceable and who don’t require huge contracts are guys we need to really think hard about moving on from. I’d rather keep guys like that than guys who over-achieved because of the talent around them. Miles Sanders being one of them. We can’t pay him what some other team will. Isaac probably too. Hargrave will require monster money we can’t afford. It’s not gonna be easy. Our roster is gonna suffer. But the question is, where do we throw the money and draft capital. 
 

 

If David long can stay healthy i rather go after him then stay with edwards. I just see Long continuously getting better at 26 if he stays healthy. The biggest concern is  nagging type injuries. 

8 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Don't see the fit for most of those guys, but if this OL is as good and Hunt is healthy, he's gonna put up ridiculous numbers in this offense.

Yeah some of them don’t fit the defense we were running this year but most are young and currently we don’t have a Dc so things might change about what we do and what decisions we make there. This was more looking at who’s available some young guys and veterans i liked on the market 

offensively i think landry, hunt and Campbell would be fine fits. It’s a matter of what they’d cost. I think hunt is most realistic cause they were smitten with him in training camp practices. 

35 minutes ago, blindside said:

Relying on rookies to start is not a recipe for success. But at the same time, you kinda gotta trust your draft picks to develop after year one and SHOULD be able to start highly drafted second year players to step up. Davis, for example, didn’t show much as a rookie, but throwing more money at that position this offseason isn’t a good use of resources. 

I actually think the Chiefs were smart in what they did with their defense this year. they had some big time veterans on that team like Chris Jones, Frank, Clark, Dunlap, Reid, sneed and Juan Thornhill, Bolton (second year) but mcduffie, joshua Williams, jaylen watson, cool and karlaftis played good amounts of snaps for them. they knew they weren’t gonna be as good defensively this year having those rookies along play a lot. But their offense was so good they could make up for that and the veterans along with spags would help them along as the season moved along. next year because those rookies got those snaps, I’m guessing they are gonna be better defensively  and that’s cause of the decisions they made in 2022. 

1 hour ago, schuy7 said:

Let's see if Jalen handles it better than Carson did. 🤣

As much as I would love to get a legitimate slot WR like Hyatt in the draft, I can’t see them using a second round or even third round pick on one. 

So sheil had a depressing stat on the Philly special podcast. Since 2000 the eagles have played 400 games. The game against the chiefs, the defense was 391st in EPA per drive and 395th in defensive success rate. 

chiefs offensive success rate for the SB was 98.9 percentile of all games this year 

Chiefs’ EPA per drive it was 97 percentile of all offense games 

48 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

As much as I would love to get a legitimate slot WR like Hyatt in the draft, I can’t see them using a second round or even third round pick on one. 

I agree. I was just having fun. I don't know a ton about too many prospects yet. Hyatt was insane this year, so I had to grab him. He would be great as an upgrade to Quez, but yeah, we should probably go elsewhere with that pick.

24 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

As much as I would love to get a legitimate slot WR like Hyatt in the draft, I can’t see them using a second round or even third round pick on one. 

I don’t think it’s even close to the top of the list of priorities. We have the best top two WRs in team history. One of the best duos in football, currently. But upgrading Quez isn’t really that tall of a task either. After last year, I thought that based on his trajectory, he’d be more than serviceable. But he regressed. We just need someone to be reliable there. Someone who can be counted on to merely catch the ball when the situation isn’t perfect and easy. Lots of guys can do that. He’s our only WR with "world class” speed. But that speed doesn’t matter if he doesn’t catch the ball, or fumbles it when he does. We don’t need to use a high pick on a WR again. Get a vet who can catch. Pascal is fine. We have plenty of weapons. 
 

This draft needs to be about re-tooling and looking at the future. We see how important OL is. Get a replacement for Lane to groom. Throw him at G until then. Get a CB or pass rusher. A lot depends on FA and who we keep. We need to be self-aware of what we do and don’t draft well. S and CB aren’t really our strong suits. So try and keep Gardner-Johnson and, if we draft a CB, go for a high floor player. We really can’t afford to miss on any draft picks for a couple years.  One could argue that Barnett was a high floor, low ceiling player, and it’d be hard to argue. They don’t always work out. But we can’t try to get cute. We have a pretty solid resumè with drafting OL, mostly because of Stout. Do that. Whenever we try to fix holes with draft picks, we reach and it sets us back. Howie was able to overcome some bad picks because of the extra cap room with a rookie contract QB. That luxury is likely gone. We can’t afford another Marcus Smith type pick. We’re not in position for another Sydney Jones type lottery ticket. Keep your lines dominant. Hopefully the NFL learned from their crap field in the Super Bowl and won’t handicap that in the future. Our defense won’t be as good, so let’s make sure we have depth on offense to be able to score points on anyone, and get enough pieces and solid players on D to try and stay competitive. 
 

We just really need to pick our battles wisely. In today’s NFL, what is more important... LBs or secondary? That’s why I really don’t think letting our current LBs walk is a great idea. They weren’t great, but they weren’t bad, either. And they’ll be cheap. 
 

We need a feature RB. Miles won’t be worth the contract he’ll get. But paying for a vet isn’t a good use of cap space. But counting on a late pick or even a high pick rookie.. idk. Gainwell isn’t a lead back. And I don’t want our running game relying on Jalen. As eagle45 said the other day, he’s a pocket passer now. Let him run situationally, but let’s find someone we can hang our hat on to run between the tackles. If we’re paying Jalen big bucks, we need to set him up for long term success. Before anything else. 
 

Bradberry is as good as gone. Hargrave too. Isaac. Miles. As much as it was awesome to have two elite CBs, I’d much rather not go into the season relying on Jalen running and teams sitting on the pass. To me, replacing Isaac and Miles would be priority. Are we really gonna draft another DT high? Don’t get me wrong, I loved having a historic pass rush. It’s very important. As is balance. But give your expensive QB everything he needs to succeed and stay healthy. This is an offensive league. 
 

Obviously I don’t know the answers. I liked Jalen Reagor coming out of college, so my opinion is ish. But we had an elite defense this year and got beat in a Super Bowl because of things outside our control, and great offensive playcalling, I guess. We got zero stops in the second half. Even if our defense was half as good, you can’t get less than zero stops. Let’s make sure the offense can still put up 35. 

24 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So sheil had a depressing stat on the Philly special podcast. Since 2000 the eagles have played 400 games. The game against the chiefs, the defense was 391st in EPA per drive and 395th in defensive success rate. 

chiefs offensive success rate for the SB was 98.9 percentile of all games this year 

Chiefs’ EPA per drive it was 97 percentile of all offense games 

Exactly. How much better could our defense have possibly been, talent wise? Not much. And we still got worked by a top offense. Not saying defense isn’t important, but you can have all the right pieces and still get worked by elite offfenses. I would hate to handicap this offense in anyway in hopes of being a more talented defense than the best we’ve ever had. 

12 hours ago, eagle45 said:

For the record…if we do go back to the SB, I want the Chiefs.  And I want SF again in the NFCCG.  My new 2 most hated teams.

What did the Chiefs do to earn hate?  Respect I can see, but hate?

SF earned plenty of hate.

 

I'd have pascal back tomorrow. great guy, very underrated and underused.

Watkins can walk, he's regressed massively. 

7 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I love the Eagles formula of turning CBs into safeties.  Worked wonders with Jenkins and CJGJ.

We’ve tried it in the draft without much success.  But we haven’t had success with anything defense in the draft lately, so I wouldn’t give up on it.

I think a young high draft pick disappointing vet cb or a mid round cb who fits the profile…at least you know those guys will be proficient in coverage against WRs and TEs.  Then let them compete and complement the opposite extreme in Blankenship.

Does Zech McPhearson have any transferable skills to move to S?  Going in to year 3 and he's played all of 278 defensive snaps.  Has done anything to convince people he might be a decent slot corner?  I'm done with Josiah Scott.

@downundermike what are the implications if Maddox is traded?  I think he's terribly overrated by a lot and his new contract isn't exactly a bargain.  

7 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Lou Anarumo didn't seem to have trouble. Held the Chiefs to 23 points, beat them earlier this season and beat them in KC last year. Hell, the Jags even did a better job defending the Chiefs than the Eagles did.

It's true Andy Reid is a great coach. But the Eagles made him look unstoppable, which he is not. Let's not forget, Reid's weaknesses are always big games. Of course it's vs Gannon where Andy Reid finally puts together his magnus opus of coaching performances. And did it with a QB who was far from 100%.

It's ok to say the Eagles defense choked. They are paid to make plays too. Over 75 sacks on the season, barely touched Mahomes the entire game. Wide open guys all game for Mahomes. Didn't get one stop in the 2nd half. And the Chiefs left points on the board with a missed FG. For a defense this talented, this performance was maybe the worst defensive performance for a unit this talented I've ever seen.

This is something that's supposed to happen to bad teams that get fluky leads in playoff games and eventually the way superior team just takes over and imposes their will. Not to one of the best defenses in Eagles history and best teams in Eagles history.

yep, the defense as a unit choked.  Gannon didn't help but not a single player made a play.  All they needed was for one guy to make a sack, TFL, force a fumble, get an INT or hell even defend a pass.  There wasn't a single play made by a defensive player.  NOT ONE.