38 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That is a take…

 

Let me throw a hotter take. No this isn't political, though it'll probably be taken that way.

I think Brian Johnson actually does something really incredible for the Eagles. I think a lot of people have talked about whether or not minority head coaches are rare or whatever. And honestly, they are.

But here's something I'll throw out there.

If you want to build a dynasty through good coaching, hire minority coaches as coordinators if they're good coaches. Why?

If this line of thinking that people throw around is true, you'll actually end up making a coaching staff that's resistant to poaching coaches. So you can keep a ridiculously stable coaching staff group so your players are never jumping from system to system, and can just focus on getting better on the talent side and developing players.

I legitimately think if you get the right minds, and draft well, you can build a dynasty doing this. The issue itself imo is separate and whether it's right or wrong can be debated. But from a 100% logic derived perspective, it is reality, and something that can be easily taken advantage of/manipulated to create a situation that no normal good team gets to experience.

Edit: Why is my post count so low, I had thousands of posts. Database reset? Lol.

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

Not what i said but nice strawman. Howie has done plenty of dumb trades

I trust Howie at making trades more than I do him making draft picks.  I understand your previous argument that continually trading away 1st round picks isn't sustainable but how often do you have multiple 1st round picks available?  Ideally, he trades down and fills those mid round picks and gets another 2nd or possibly a 2024 1st but if there's a young, proven player to be had for one of the extra 1st round picks, you do it. 

43 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Not what i said but nice strawman. Howie has done plenty of dumb trades

this is what you wrote

we dont/wont have the cap to do another AJ deal. 30 is a valuable pick we need. Would only swap for a first in 24 plus some picks

I initially told you howie will figure out a way to have a cap to do it and figure out everything else after that because howie would do that type of trade if it presented itself with a premium player at a premium position. which he’d likely value that elite player at a premium position over the risk with pick 30 that player ever becomes that good even if he signs a player who’s not as talented in FA while using the 30th pick.

so i ask you: do you think if that type of trade presented itself (howie will manipulate and maneuver the cap to make it work) howie wouldn’t pull the trigger on it? If you say no i 100% disagree with you which is what i said originally

9 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Broncos looking to start off on the right foot with this choice.

I get it

12 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I trust Howie at making trades more than I do him making draft picks.  I understand your previous argument that continually trading away 1st round picks isn't sustainable but how often do you have multiple 1st round picks available?  Ideally, he trades down and fills those mid round picks and gets another 2nd or possibly a 2024 1st but if there's a young, proven player to be had for one of the extra 1st round picks, you do it. 

My argument is if that opportunity comes along you know howie Roseman is gonna be involved in it and could Fing do it regardless of our picks or cap cause he’ll figure it out cap wise. cause it’s for a premium player at a premium position. also I’m guessing howie’s logic would be having 10th overall they could trade back a couple picks and get some more picks in the draft. And they also have a future 2nd from the saints on top of that. I also think he’d view the risk at 30th that a guy they select becomes a premium player at a premium position and he’d go with the proven player who’s a premium type player at a premium position. 

that said, I don’t think that player is gonna become available anyways. And especially not for pick 30.

 

6 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Let me throw a hotter take. No this isn't political, though it'll probably be taken that way.

I think Brian Johnson actually does something really incredible for the Eagles. I think a lot of people have talked about whether or not minority head coaches are rare or whatever. And honestly, they are.

But here's something I'll throw out there.

If you want to build a dynasty through good coaching, hire minority coaches as coordinators if they're good coaches. Why?

If this line of thinking that people throw around is true, you'll actually end up making a coaching staff that's resistant to poaching coaches. So you can keep a ridiculously stable coaching staff group so your players are never jumping from system to system, and can just focus on getting better on the talent side and developing players.

I legitimately think if you get the right minds, and draft well, you can build a dynasty doing this. The issue itself imo is separate and whether it's right or wrong can be debated. But from a 100% logic derived perspective, it is reality, and something that can be easily taken advantage of/manipulated to create a situation that no normal good team gets to experience.

Edit: Why is my post count so low, I had thousands of posts. Database reset? Lol.

Minority coaches who excel also get head coaching jobs — Ryans, Flores, Joseph, Wilks, McDaniel just the recent ones.  Whether any of them get a fair chance to build a team and a culture is a different question.

The only long term minority coordinator who hasn’t landed a head coaching job is Bieniemy.  That’s because he’s of low character and bombs his interviews.  It isn’t because teams assume Reid does all the work — Belichick actually does do all the work, and his assistants get head coaching gigs all the time, including Flores.

14 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Let me throw a hotter take. No this isn't political, though it'll probably be taken that way.

I think Brian Johnson actually does something really incredible for the Eagles. I think a lot of people have talked about whether or not minority head coaches are rare or whatever. And honestly, they are.

But here's something I'll throw out there.

If you want to build a dynasty through good coaching, hire minority coaches as coordinators if they're good coaches. Why?

If this line of thinking that people throw around is true, you'll actually end up making a coaching staff that's resistant to poaching coaches. So you can keep a ridiculously stable coaching staff group so your players are never jumping from system to system, and can just focus on getting better on the talent side and developing players.

I legitimately think if you get the right minds, and draft well, you can build a dynasty doing this. The issue itself imo is separate and whether it's right or wrong can be debated. But from a 100% logic derived perspective, it is reality, and something that can be easily taken advantage of/manipulated to create a situation that no normal good team gets to experience.

Edit: Why is my post count so low, I had thousands of posts. Database reset? Lol.

Nah, SF is getting minorities poached off their staff every year, that won’t work the way you think it might. 

Minority coaches who get poached get you a 3d round pick.

1 minute ago, SkippyX said:

Minority coaches who get poached get you a 3d round pick.

Wow really?

18 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Let me throw a hotter take. No this isn't political, though it'll probably be taken that way.

I think Brian Johnson actually does something really incredible for the Eagles. I think a lot of people have talked about whether or not minority head coaches are rare or whatever. And honestly, they are.

But here's something I'll throw out there.

If you want to build a dynasty through good coaching, hire minority coaches as coordinators if they're good coaches. Why?

If this line of thinking that people throw around is true, you'll actually end up making a coaching staff that's resistant to poaching coaches. So you can keep a ridiculously stable coaching staff group so your players are never jumping from system to system, and can just focus on getting better on the talent side and developing players.

I legitimately think if you get the right minds, and draft well, you can build a dynasty doing this. The issue itself imo is separate and whether it's right or wrong can be debated. But from a 100% logic derived perspective, it is reality, and something that can be easily taken advantage of/manipulated to create a situation that no normal good team gets to experience.

Edit: Why is my post count so low, I had thousands of posts. Database reset? Lol.

This is a new message board that was created almost three years ago after the official board affiliated with the team shut down. 
 

You can try contacting @VaBeach_Eagle and he can restore your previous post count and reputation points you had on the old board if he can find you in the old member archive. 

1 minute ago, SkippyX said:

Minority coaches who get poached get you a 3d round pick.

2 3rd rounders.

4 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Minority coaches who get poached get you a 3d round pick.

 

Two 3rd round picks. 

13 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Minority coaches who excel also get head coaching jobs — Ryans, Flores, Joseph, Wilks, McDaniel just the recent ones.  Whether any of them get a fair chance to build a team and a culture is a different question.

The only long term minority coordinator who hasn’t landed a head coaching job is Bieniemy.  That’s because he’s of low character and bombs his interviews.  It isn’t because teams assume Reid does all the work — Belichick actually does do all the work, and his assistants get head coaching gigs all the time, including Flores.

I think bieniemy’s has multiple reasons that aren’t working in his favor. His past where he assaulted a woman is held against him. We can say it happened nearly 30 years ago but you know journalist and people will ask about it and question about it. Fair or unfair it’ll happen. Second reports of bombing interviews. Third working with mahomes and reid is used against him. Basically working with one of the best coaches and QBs of all time. I think some want to see what he can do when that isn’t the case. Hence why i think he’s looking for other jobs where he can show that.

The reason why steichen got the job after 2 years was because of how big of a jump Jalen hurts made and how great the playcalling was for like 90% of the season. It was a significant massive jump. If the bears keep fields this year and he makes that jump I’m betting million dollars the OC for the bears is getting a HC job.
 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think bieniemy’s has multiple reasons that aren’t working in his favor. His past where he assaulted a woman is held against him. We can say it happened nearly 30 years ago but you know journalist and people will ask about it and question about it. Fair or unfair it’ll happen. Second reports of bombing interviews. Third working with mahomes and reid is used against him. Basically working with one of the best coaches and QBs of all time. I think some want to see what he can do when that isn’t the case. Hence why i think he’s looking for other jobs where he can show that.

The reason why steichen got the job after 2 years was because of how big of a jump Jalen hurts made and how great the playcalling was for like 90% of the season. It was a significantly massive jump. If the bears keep fields this year and he makes that jump I’m betting million dollars the OC for the bears is getting a HC job.
 

Consider the source but LeSean McCoy has also come out and said he treats players like crap.

Just now, bpac55 said:

Consider the source but LeSean McCoy has also come out and said he treats players like crap.

Yeah it’s shady so who knows. He might just be butthurt that bieniemy didn’t use him like he thought he should’ve in KC. And since reid drafted him in Philly and he respects reid he doesn’t blame reid for that. 

19 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Minority coaches who excel also get head coaching jobs — Ryans, Flores, Joseph, Wilks, McDaniel just the recent ones.  Whether any of them get a fair chance to build a team and a culture is a different question.

The only long term minority coordinator who hasn’t landed a head coaching job is Bieniemy.  That’s because he’s of low character and bombs his interviews.  It isn’t because teams assume Reid does all the work — Belichick actually does do all the work, and his assistants get head coaching gigs all the time, including Flores.

Oh, no, I'm not arguing over why. I do believe there's a little bit of fire to the smoke, I'm not just sure how much. I try to avoid being overly judgmental of things like individual character because we can't see what happens in the interview room. I'm more than willing to admit that I just don't know the reason for things at times. I think that's healthy.

I'm just saying if there IS fire to this smoke, you can logically take advantage of this to build a very high performing coaching staff. If you want to add the criteria of 'bad at interviews', sure. That's fine?

The point though is that if you can find coordinator talent that is poaching resistant, you can have an enormous advantage over the rest of the league. Enormous. Because being poached for coaches is what happens to virtually every good offensive team these days.

The take is hot because of the way I'm suggesting to DO it. Not because I have a hot opinion about the topic itself.

Edit: Speaking of Flores, might not be the worst idea ever. Fins defense was getting pretty decent under him, and he basically screwed himself when he sued the NFL. That's another method to create the same effect. Though I'm unsure how his defensive scheme matches up to ours, or our personnel.

18 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Minority coaches who get poached get you a 3d round pick.

Crap. I completely forgot about this. Is it compensatory?

17 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

This is a new message board that was created almost three years ago after the official board affiliated with the team shut down. 
 

You can try contacting @VaBeach_Eagle and he can restore your previous post count and reputation points you had on the old board if he can find you in the old member archive. 

Oh, no, I did. It just is back to the values without it. Lol. My account creation date here is like 2.5 years ago. 

12 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Oh, no, I'm not arguing over why. I do believe there's a little bit of fire to the smoke, I'm not just sure how much. I try to avoid being overly judgmental of things like individual character because we can't see what happens in the interview room. I'm more than willing to admit that I just don't know the reason for things at times. I think that's healthy.

I'm just saying if there IS fire to this smoke, you can logically take advantage of this to build a very high performing coaching staff. If you want to add the criteria of 'bad at interviews', sure. That's fine?

The point though is that if you can find coordinator talent that is poaching resistant, you can have an enormous advantage over the rest of the league. Enormous. Because being poached for coaches is what happens to virtually every good offensive team these days.

The take is hot because of the way I'm suggesting to DO it. Not because I have a hot opinion about the topic itself.

Edit: Speaking of Flores, might not be the worst idea ever. Fins defense was getting pretty decent under him, and he basically screwed himself when he sued the NFL. That's another method to create the same effect. Though I'm unsure how his defensive scheme matches up to ours, or our personnel.

Flores is the DC for the Vikings. Turned down the cardinals HC job to take it a couple weeks back. 

50 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

i’m gonna give a hypothetical just answer the hypothetical. If the Pittsburgh Steelers came calling Howie Roseman and said we will trade you TJ Watt for the 30th pick what do you think Howie Roseman’s gonna do? Because the only way I’m remotely trading the 30th pick for any player is if it’s a premium player at a premium position otherwise i don’t think the eagles remotely do it. 

if you tell me howie wouldn’t make that move I 100% think you’re wrong. Just accept you know howie would make that move or be interest in doing it

my point to you was not the fact of whether or not it was smart or not. It was if that opportunity came up that the eagles and Howie Roseman would be interested in it and potentially make that move. You tell me there’s no way they’re would remotely do it. that’s bullcrap 

Against never said that. So spare me the strawman. Only ever argued its a bad idea …of which howie has done many.

are you now backing off thats its a good idea? Which you obviously argued to retreat to a position that its just that Howie would do it? Instead of should?

35 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I get it

Ryan is a laughably bad hire for dc

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Soo took just under a year for nets fans to reach sixer fans level towards Ben.

 

 

The crazy thing is that we as Sixers fans wanted so much more when he was averaging 16/8/8 and thought he should have been such a better player. Coaching and teammates were called into question at times for why he wasn't better. He goes to the Nets and he is a 7/6/6 player who isn't even a key player for a now depleted Nets team without Kyrie and KD. Brown and Rivers are owed an apology from a lot of people as they were obviously getting more out of him than they should have. At this rate Simmons will be out of the league in a few years and one of the biggest draft busts ever.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Flores is the DC for the Vikings. Turned down the cardinals HC job to take it a couple weeks back. 

Didn't see that, last I saw he was still on the Steelers. Honestly, I'm impressed. I seriously thought he'd be absolutely Fed (from head coaching jobs, to be specific) after taking legal action to the Dolphins. I think a lot of the board members did as well. I was lurking, I just didn't sign in. Lol.

Nothing like the sixers entering the 4th quarter with a 22 point lead and watching it dwindle down to 6 with 2 mins left then 4 and hanging on for dear life. 

45 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I trust Howie at making trades more than I do him making draft picks.  I understand your previous argument that continually trading away 1st round picks isn't sustainable but how often do you have multiple 1st round picks available?  Ideally, he trades down and fills those mid round picks and gets another 2nd or possibly a 2024 1st but if there's a young, proven player to be had for one of the extra 1st round picks, you do it. 

I can get the approach when you have a cheap qb. We are no longer working in that paradigm. Need the cheap talent and howie understands the cap better than many