9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

No we have Jordan Davis 

huh?

14 minutes ago, paco said:

I was thinking about this post last night and you know what, you are probably 100% dead on.  Dude is known for playing media games\publicity stunts.  Remember when Willis Macghaee started slipping on the draft board, so every time they started to show the green room and Willis sitting there they were both on their phones, only to find out later they were talking to each other to try entice a team to trade up and grab him?   #lolBills

 

I also think he did some sort of public workout with TO in 2005 but I could be misremembering.

Man I loved Willis McGahee. His running style was just fun to watch.  Impressive he came back from that brutal knee injury.  Always wondered how good he really would have been had he not got hurt.  

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

It was hardly the same action though.  Side by side comparison below.  Clark never gestured to the other team, it was to her own bench.  Reese clearly goes out of her way to follow Clark around the court.  I'm all for trash talk and such but I also love respect in the game.  My personal opinion is Clark looked beyond silly doing it.  However, once this happened, the talking heads couldn't wait to make it about race.

However, like so many other talking points in the media, what they show is this.  OK Acho, you showed a clip that was edited down to make it appear what they did was similar.  

And for goodness sake, Leslie Knope was all over the court and bumping the refs.  She was the real embarrassment along with the officiating. 

First time looking at this.

I don't have anything racist to say about it (surprisingly), but following someone around and around in order to taunt them?  That's awfully pathetic -- she looks like a lost puppy.  Probably not the look she was going for.

 

 

 

56 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

C’mon, JR, you played OL.  Taunting and responses are part of the game.  Any game.   Hell, BG does it.  Slay does it.  I am willing to bet most of the OL does it.  I am with @jsb235 on this one.  Reese was giving back a taunt.  (I don’t buy the Clark was doing it at her bench crap at all.) That’s part of the game and the LSU women backed it up by outplaying Iowa.

Mulkey was at the border of what she is allowed to do but not much different than my coach (Kelvin Sampson) using the full length of the coaches box nor just about any coach in men’s basketball doing the same thing.  Siriani does for the Eagles and gets precariously close to pushing it further than allowed.  I didn’t see Mulkey curse at a ref’s call.  We see plenty of that in men’s sports nowadays. 

I don’t watch hot take sport shows and turn down the volume a lot on the announcers now. This is so much about nothing.   

It's one thing to make a comment in the course of the game and quite another to follow a player around and taunt him or her. Reese was way out of line, IMHO.

FWIW, I never said anything to an opponent in a game, ever, except maybe for "good hit," if I got creamed. I talked to myself a lot, and to my teammates but the other guys? Never.

That's not to say that other players were similarly close-mouthed because many weren't. Players talk sh!t all the time. Still, it's one thing to talk sh!t and another thing to show a player up, which is what Reese did. I'm all for celebrating when I or my team does something good but quite another to mock an opponent in a public way. My favorite moment of this last issue came in a Lions game some 40-50 years ago. A WR caught a ball behind Lem Barney, the great Lions CB and, as the WR neared the end zone he turned and showed the ball to Barney, who snatched it out of his hand and took it 90+ yards the other way.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

I find Florio wholly unreliable, but -- to argue there is something here:

1.  Cousins has a full no-trade clause; I suspect he veto's that move (he may actually have).  Why would he go to SF after seeing how Jimmy G was discarded?  I'd insist on a 4-year deal with high guarantees to play in that QB environment

2.  The Niners are banking heavily on their window still being open.  It remains to be seen what happens to their defense after losing Saleh and Ryans in successive offseasons.

 

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I find Florio wholly unreliable, but -- to argue there is something here:

1.  Cousins has a full no-trade clause; I suspect he veto's that move (he may actually have).  Why would he go to SF after seeing how Jimmy G was discarded?  I'd insist on a 4-year deal with high guarantees to play in that QB environment

2.  The Niners are banking heavily on their window still being open.  It remains to be seen what happens to their defense after losing Saleh and Ryans in successive offseasons.

 

I’m guessing the idea came up due to the connection kirk cousins and shanahan had from their time in Washington. 

also remember this article a couple years back. Shanahan apparently loves him some kirk cousins https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/.amp/news/the-real-reason-kyle-shanahan-loves-the-kirk-cousins-type-quarterback

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m guessing the idea came up due to the connection kirk cousins and shanahan had from their time in Washington. 

also remember this article a couple years back. Shanahan apparently loves him some kirk cousins https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/.amp/news/the-real-reason-kyle-shanahan-loves-the-kirk-cousins-type-quarterback

I'm all for it.  Cousins is a guy who will put up numbers and be an asset, until the games become important -- where he becomes a distinct liability.  His performance against the Eagles was about as bad as a QB can play.  He realistically could/should have thrown 6 INT in that game.

 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I'm all for it.  Cousins is a guy who will put up numbers and be an asset, until the games become important -- where he becomes a distinct liability.  His performance against the Eagles was about as bad as a QB can play.  He realistically could/should have thrown 6 INT in that game.

 

Kind of reminds me of how he went to Minnesota. People thought he was gonna be a massive upgrade to case keenum so that Minnesota could take the next step and a legit SB contender. He got there and they’ve never been close to that good again. That said i do think the niners roster top to bottom is better than the Vikings rosters during his tenure there. 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

It was hardly the same action though.  Side by side comparison below.  Clark never gestured to the other team, it was to her own bench.  Reese clearly goes out of her way to follow Clark around the court.  I'm all for trash talk and such but I also love respect in the game.  My personal opinion is Clark looked beyond silly doing it.  However, once this happened, the talking heads couldn't wait to make it about race.

However, like so many other talking points in the media, what they show is this.  OK Acho, you showed a clip that was edited down to make it appear what they did was similar.  

And for goodness sake, Leslie Knope was all over the court and bumping the refs.  She was the real embarrassment along with the officiating. 

I don't really mind what happened but clearly Reese took it further.  The John Cena or having a ring gesture is no big deal but her following Clark around trying to antagonize her was a little childish.  If you know anything about Reese that's how she is.  She's very excessive and loves attention. 

One thing that bothers me is Clark's reaction.  Yes she ignored it but if that was me and someone was following me around trying to taunt me I'd be right in their face.

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

I don't really mind what happened but clearly Reese took it further.  The John Cena or having a ring gesture is no big deal but her following Clark around trying to antagonize her was a little childish.  If you know anything about Reese that's how she is.  She's very excessive and loves attention. 

One thing that bothers me is Clark's reaction.  Yes she ignored it but if that was me and someone was following me around trying to taunt me I'd be right in their face.

She may have mistakenly believed there would be an official there to do their job and hand out the technical foul in the first 3 seconds, as that's what would have happened with competent officials.  It never gets that far in an actual sport.

Her reaction was actually ironically perfect.  Some tool following you around acting like an idiot gesturing "you can't see me", and the response was "I didn't notice"

Ravens is interesting.

39 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I find Florio wholly unreliable, but -- to argue there is something here:

1.  Cousins has a full no-trade clause; I suspect he veto's that move (he may actually have).  Why would he go to SF after seeing how Jimmy G was discarded?  I'd insist on a 4-year deal with high guarantees to play in that QB environment

2.  The Niners are banking heavily on their window still being open.  It remains to be seen what happens to their defense after losing Saleh and Ryans in successive offseasons.

 

He'd have a better chance at winning a Super Bowl with the 49ers than the Vikings.  Also the Shanahan connection.  Plus there has been rumors that Justin Jefferson has issues with Kirk so he gets to get away from all of that.

16 hours ago, eagle45 said:

They need to have an honest discussion debating if Nolan Smith's athleticism translates to the NFL and if his lack of production was a schematic issue.  On paper, it sure seems nice to have as many players from that Georgia defense as possible...like stacking up on Alabama offensive players...which we seem to like.

This may sound like a silly question...but how useful would 2 Hassan Reddick's be??  He is a hybrid player who rushes from a 2 point stance and moves around the defense.

2 of them could be incredible, or could throw the defense out of balance.  It's a salivating thought, but (going off memory without examples) several 3-4 teams have invested in freakish burner edge guys from both sides in the past and usually only one ends up consistently pinning back and making plays.  There is more balance in dominant 4-3 edge guys.  

I'm intrigued by having 2 of them, but it's something to consider.  But I do think that Nolan Smith is the most intriguing player for us in the draft.

Van Ness?  Meh.  He's Josh Sweat insurance.  Kancey?  Meh, he merely does what we aspire to getting from Milton Williams, who is bigger, tested better, is already in the fold, and came on strong late last year.  

The CBs would be nice, smart picks...but we'd be looking for no boost from them until 2024.  Ditto an OL.

Jimmy Kempski made a point on his recent podcast that the Eagles 2 down years came when they had no depth to offset injuries on the o-line.  He implied that he talked to drunken Howie at the owners' meetings and that depth at o-line was a priority.  He thinks the top pick is going to be an OT with guard versatility.  I think you have a point about it being a depth pick but OT is also a smart depth pick to invest in when you have the opportunity to get a top athlete.  My guess is the question is for the FO whether to take any OT beyond probably Johnson is what they see as drop off from the top OT vs. the drop off at CB or DE.   If they think Johnson isn't much better than the next 2 or 3 OT's, they would probably go with a CB pick.  I don't think they will pick an edge player over CB.  If Smith is their target my guess is they will try to trade down first.   If they have Carter on their board, he is probably the only player they will not pass on to take an OT, DE or CB. 

2 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

Players taunt. There are many examples.  You don't have to like it.  But there definitely seem to be a lot of people saying they retroactively didn't like it when other people did it when they first commented on this incident

Yep. The LSU's player taunting was excessive but at the end of the day, it's still just a taunt. The amount of media attention being given to this is a bit shocking to say the least. I watched the end of a football game where players from one team confronted two players from the other team in the tunnel after a loss and literally beat the ish outta them. Like literal physical assault. Maybe we are a bit desensitized to it for some sports as compared to others?

And the taunt here was mocking a gesture the Iowa player had apparently done several times throughout the tournament. So I guess the analog would be when a DE sacks Rodgers and mocks his stupid discount double check dance? Players often choose to rub it in when they get one over on their opponent. We all (or at least most) enjoyed TO mocking Ray Lewis after scoring the game-winning TD against BAL and doing his thing on the Dallas star to rub it in Jerry's face. Seems like it's the sorta thing that while obnoxious and classless at times, still happens quite a bit in pretty much every sport with heated levels of competition.

I don't even watch basketball and I'm hearing about it lol

11 hours ago, T-1000 said:

So now you are comparing a sport where two men literally try to knock the other one out to women's basketball. Furthermore you post a picture a second after one knocks the other one out which as heat of the moment as it gets. Yeah because that's at all comparable to a women's basketball player deliberately following another one around the court for over 10 seconds and taunting her right up in her grill.

Hello Apple, my name is Orange......🙄

I agree that the anchor punch KO is a bad example, but you can pick almost any example from his career, Ali was the king of taunting. I hated most of it, others who were bigger fans of his didn't seem to mind it as much. I also don't see why the fact they're trying to knock each other out is much of a factor though. Pick any sport you want and you'll always see a fine line between gamesmanship and classlessness.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

You can pick almost any example from his career, Ali was the king of taunting. I hated most of it, others who were bigger fans of his didn't seem to mind it as much. I also don't see why the fact they're trying to knock each other out is much of a factor though. Pick any sport you want and you'll always see a fine line between gamesmanship and classlessness.

In the moment where Ali is standing over Liston, he's not taunting him. He's yelling at him to get up.

1 minute ago, just relax said:

In the moment where Ali is standing over Liston, he's not taunting him. He's yelling at him to get up.

Agreed, you caught me pre-edit. That's a bad example because it's the anchor punch KO if I recall, and Ali had later said in interviews he didn't realize he even connected with a punch until he saw the highlights of the knockdown.

25 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Seems like it's the sorta thing that while obnoxious and classless at times, still happens quite a bit in pretty much every sport with heated levels of competition.

Just to play devil's advocate:

It isn't as though she hit a big game winner over Clark, turned to her and did it once. She followed her around rather than celebrating, taunted a player who didn't taunt her to begin with, took it to the post game interview and social media hours after the fact while adding more fuel to the racially divisive fire.

When Juju continued to clown Bradberry long after the fact, a lot of people had a problem with it. 

The Eagles literally post videos of Brandon Graham taunting the other team before and during the game. So essentially according to a bunch of old man that is ok and not 'classless' but at the end of the game it's not.  Taunting is taunting

15 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Just to play devil's advocate:

It isn't as though she hit a big game winner over Clark, turned to her and did it once. She followed her around rather than celebrating, taunted a player who didn't taunt her to begin with, took it to the post game interview and social media hours after the fact while adding more fuel to the racially divisive fire.

When Juju continued to clown Bradberry long after the fact, a lot of people had a problem with it. 

So how's it different from this again? Because he had his back to Ray when he did it?

To be clear, I dislike her framing this as a race issue. If anything, she should more so take issue with the fact that this sort of thing happens very often in other sports without anyone so much as batting an eyelash. 

28 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Ravens is interesting.

It certainly could be from an Eagles standpoint.

If Richardson isn't drafted in the top 9 it means he'll have to get past IND at #4 (who could select Levis), then have to stay on the board past the Raiders at #7 and ATL at #8.  Then you may see teams look at trading up.

Bears and Eagles at 9 and 10 won't be drafting QB, but the Titans could at #11.  Ravens currently sit at #22 so trading into the top 5 is extremely doubtful, but trading 22 to 10 could be done, and has been done before.  KC traded from 27 to 10 to draft Mahomes.  HOU traded from 25 to 12 to get Deshaun Watson in the same draft.

The trouble with Baltimore is they don't have a pick in the 2nd round to offer as trade, so it would likely need to be their 3rd round pick (#86) as well as a 2024 1st round pick.  Perhaps even an additional later pick in this draft (124 or 157).

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

It certainly could be from an Eagles standpoint.

If Richardson isn't drafted in the top 9 it means he'll have to get past IND at #4 (who could select Levis), then have to stay on the board past the Raiders at #7 and ATL at #8.  Then you may see teams look at trading up.

Bears and Eagles at 9 and 10 won't be drafting QB, but the Titans could at #11.  Ravens currently sit at #22 so trading into the top 5 is extremely doubtful, but trading 22 to 10 could be done, and has been done before.  KC traded from 27 to 10 to draft Mahomes.  HOU traded from 25 to 12 to get Deshaun Watson in the same draft.

The trouble with Baltimore is they don't have a pick in the 2nd round to offer as trade, so it would likely need to be their 3rd round pick (#86) as well as a 2024 1st round pick.  Perhaps even an additional later pick in this draft (124 or 157).

You’d have to think if the Ravens are in on Richardson, Jackson is out with a load of draft picks going to the Ravens, most likely from a top 10 picking team.  

I think if we move down it will be for a team moving up for an OT